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2011-04-12 2:11 PM
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I agree-- after one cyclocross race you will never think about this again in your life.


2011-04-12 2:21 PM
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Great so now I have to start a new hobby? I will be doing these practice runs and filming them.
2011-04-12 2:22 PM
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bryancd - 2011-04-12 2:26 PM
apicek - 2011-04-12 11:58 AM I guess this is my thought on the subject.  It will take me a few seconds to put my shoes on in transition, where as the person with the shoes on their bike will take off right away. 
You're leaving out the single greatest time saver involved with leaving your shoes clipped in. You can run so much faster from the rack to the mount line in bare feet as opposed to clopping along in ccycling shoes. That's the biggest time saver after not having to actuall put the shoes on while standing still.

I've not actually tried running in my cycling shoes much, but I had considered this.  I've only experimented with leaving the shoes on the bike on dismounting, and it went okay a couple times, but having the three strap shoes makes it a little more of a pain.  I experimented with getting my feet into the shoes while on my trainer once and it just seemed to take forever.

2011-04-12 2:33 PM
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jgerbodegrant - 2011-04-12 3:21 PM Great so now I have to start a new hobby? I will be doing these practice runs and filming them.

 

You would not be the first to do so!!!

I tape my CX practices all the time, helps with working on things.  Maybe that is why i dont even think about running in bike shoes, i do it all year long, then again i do use Crank Bros for all my bikes, so it is not like i am running in Speedplays or Look cleats, it does make a difference.

2011-04-12 2:43 PM
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DanielG - 2011-04-12 8:25 AM I put the left shoe forward and step on it as I walk the bike across the mount line, swinging my right leg over as it rolls. No flying mount and no undue breakage of the bike from my lard butt hitting it off center.

I've found this to be the easiest mount by far. I watch so many people try to hop over and land on the seat, or come to a complete stop and lose time.

Put the bike into the appropriate gear (use a nice big one if there's no hill). Set up your shoe with rubber bands (I go from the back of the shoe to the bottle mount, but use whatever works). I do the right side too, only so it doesn't wave around while running with the bike. Practice it a few times and you'll be set. I keep my feet out of the shoes until I'm up to speed and well away from the transition area.

To dismount, I do the same. Take my feet out of the shoes nice and early. As you approach the dismount, flip the right leg over to the left side, coast right up to the line and hop off in a run. As I jump off, I kick the pedal forward a little to get the cranks parallel to the ground so there is less worry about a shoe flipping off of the pedal.

Take a day or two to practice these transitions, and you'll save yourself valuable time and a lot or wear-and-tear on the family jewels! Besides, it looks cool.

2011-04-12 2:48 PM
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bryancd - 2011-04-12 11:26 AM

You're leaving out the single greatest time saver involved with leaving your shoes clipped in. You can run so much faster from the rack to the mount line in bare feet as opposed to clopping along in ccycling shoes. That's the biggest time saver after not having to actuall put the shoes on while standing still.

At my race this past weekend, one guy raced to the mount line carrying his shoes. I ran past him, but I assume he got to the line, somehow put his shoes on right there, then started riding.



2011-04-12 5:54 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRJmMGE-fU4

I gotta admit that scares the shite out of me.  I'm sure I'd rupture a jewel.

2011-04-12 6:33 PM
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I'd just step over the top tube then clip in and/or pedal away. The 2-3 seconds it takes to do this isn't going to make any difference in the long run. Especially when you end up wiping out, or smashing your genitals, or wobbling all over the place trying to get going. That clip of Peter Reid is classic. I wonder how much time he saved there? I also wonder how good his bike split was using only one shoe? That's vs. taking 2 seconds to step over the top tube and taking off.
2011-04-12 6:43 PM
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For the record, I do NOT do a flying mount, I do what was mentioned above, step over the top tube and put my foot on the top of right side shoe and push off and get going.
2011-04-12 7:18 PM
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bryancd - 2011-04-12 7:43 PMFor the record, I do NOT do a flying mount, I do what was mentioned above, step over the top tube and put my foot on the top of right side shoe and push off and get going.
You do enough flying. You don't count, but thanks for the input. :-). But what about the rubber bands?

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2011-04-12 7:33 PM
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C'mon... stop making it out to be more than it really is... a couple of tries in the driveway and you will have it down... this coming from a guy that decided to do it on a whim without having practiced it and I can tell you that having to pedal the first few miles feeling like someone kick you in the jimmies is not the best way to your fastest bike split... but it certainly takes your mind off of the swim... Laughing


2011-04-12 7:49 PM
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Oriondriver02 - 2011-04-12 8:33 PMC'mon... stop making it out to be more than it really is... a couple of tries in the driveway and you will have it down... this coming from a guy that decided to do it on a whim without having practiced it and I can tell you that having to pedal the first few miles feeling like someone kick you in the jimmies is not the best way to your fastest bike split... but it certainly takes your mind off of the swim... Laughing
Scott..man of much wisdom. Haha! You're right. It's not that big of a deal, but I am special needs.
2011-04-12 7:53 PM
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I literally had it on my list of things to practice before my Duathlon a couple of weeks ago... then in T1 I put on my shoes and headed to the mount line... and several steps before the line I decided to just go for it... I watched the youtube videos... I read the threads... how hard can it really be... I wish I had remember at that point what I now consider to be the best piece of advice in all of the noise... "LAND ON YOUR INNER THIGH and then slide onto the saddle"... just sayin'.... Cool
2011-04-12 7:54 PM
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Along the lines of Fastyellow's advice, if you've ever (correctly) mounted a horse bareback, that's a good start. The aim is to roll over the bike so that you just land on the saddle, not come down on it with a thump.

I'm still in the process of becoming convinced that I should pre-clip in my shoes. I use SDP mtb shoes that I can run in - my transitions are quick enough that they are the least of my priorities, and since about half of my early season races are in slop, I can clip in easily when other guys with fouled cleats can't.

2011-04-12 7:59 PM
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Oriondriver02 - 2011-04-12 8:53 PMI literally had it on my list of things to practice before my Duathlon a couple of weeks ago... then in T1 I put on my shoes and headed to the mount line... and several steps before the line I decided to just go for it... I watched the youtube videos... I read the threads... how hard can it really be... I wish I had remember at that point what I now consider to be the best piece of advice in all of the noise... "LAND ON YOUR INNER THIGH and then slide onto the saddle"... just sayin'.... Cool
HAHAHA oh man...thank you for that
2011-04-12 8:01 PM
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This is a pretty good resource for anyone trying to learn the flying mount:

http://provincialtriathloncentre.blogspot.com/2008/07/bike-mount.ht...

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2011-04-12 8:25 PM
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Here's an article from a cyclocross point of view...these guys & gals do it right.

The most important thing is that you need to rehearse the movements while WALKING over and over and over and over ad infinitum until you can do it seamlessly. Only then pick up the pace. Pros still do these over & over & over at slow speeds as well as fast.

http://cyclocross-bikes.com/guide/how-to-remount-a-cyclocross-bike/
2011-04-12 10:57 PM
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with the dismount just be sure the tension on your pedals is right, went to dismount a couple of weeks ago.. shoe popped out of pedal as I brought my leg around (i.e. shoe that I was standing on top of barefooted). road rash on the feet HURTS...not to mention the rest of the body..
2011-04-13 10:02 AM
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The link that Shane posted is excellent-- I think that's about 100% of what you need to know.
2011-04-13 10:11 AM
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Rudedog55 - 2011-04-12 12:55 PM i do it with my shoes already on, my T times have not suffered. I find it much easier when you don't have to do it with the shoes already on the bike. I also find that in every race, i pass 2-3 people who are screwing around trying to get their feet in their shoes.  I tried the shoes on the bike thing, and tried to practice it at home, did not work for me.  But...everyone is different, the ITU pro's make it look really easy.

 

I "thought" the same thing but wanted to try mounting my shoes on the bike just to make sure.  Did it for the 1st time at this Sundays race.........going forward I will keep doing it - it is faster, period!  Granted depending on the transisition area setup and distances it may not be by a lot, but any seconds saved especially in shorter races - I'll take.  Especially considering at Sundays race I finished 9th overall and 10th place was only 18 seconds behind.  My T1 time was 53 seconds (7th overall) and T2 was 29 seconds (16th overall).

Really it's pretty simple - I only practiced it twice the day prior to the race.  key thing is to remain calm and know mentally what you are to do.  I rubberbanded my shoes to the bike.  Make SURE you practice that the rubber bands actually break.  The bands I was using would not break so I ended up having to put a small nick in them to make sure they would break whhen stretched.  Flying mount doesn't have to be a flying cyclocross type mount.  I've race cyclocross for many years and have no problem doing "Flyying" mounts - not necessary on a tri bike.  I just did a skip step type mount to avoid any issues - worked find.  Quick up to speed and set my feet in the shoes which takes about 10 seconds max (wearing tri specific shoes is almost a must when doing this).  I think if you are wearinf regular cycling shoes, gettting your feet in one handed could be a lot more difficult.  Dismount is just in reverse.

 

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2011-04-13 10:25 AM
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running2far - 2011-04-12 2:13 PMRace cyclocross and it becomes second nature. Good place to crash and burn so to speak. http://www.cyclotube.com/2008/03/23/cyclocross-mountsdismounts-comp... fun you'll ever have on a bike!

Are they "exchanging machines" because of technical issues???



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jgerbodegrant - 2011-04-12 8:44 AM

Gary....see where exactly do you put the rubber band?  Across the instep of the shoe?


On the loop in back if you have a triathlon shoe.  Before I got a pair of those I had the straps attached so the shoe would be at its loosest. That gave the velcro straps a loop and I ran the rubber band through that. 

I think I have the dismount covered.  The only issue is that as I step off the side of the bike, obviously one crank arm is all the way down.  So my giant size 14 shoe actually hits the ground (don't laugh, that's not nice).

It gets worse. You can have your shoe pop off the pedals if they meet the ground just right. Not fun (the voice of experience: size 48 shoes and 175 cranks). Because of a suggestion I saw here at BT, at my last triathlon I got off my bike and just picked it up and ran with it to the rack. It was much easier (and faster) than I thought it would be. The peace of mind of not having to worry about going back to pick up a shoe makes it so worth it.

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jgerbodegrant - 2011-04-12 8:44 AM

Gary....see where exactly do you put the rubber band?  Across the instep of the shoe?


On the loop in back if you have a triathlon shoe.  Before I got a pair of those I had the straps attached so the shoe would be at its loosest. That gave the velcro straps a loop and I ran the rubber band through that. 

I think I have the dismount covered.  The only issue is that as I step off the side of the bike, obviously one crank arm is all the way down.  So my giant size 14 shoe actually hits the ground (don't laugh, that's not nice).

It gets worse. You can have your shoe pop off the pedals if they meet the ground just right. Not fun (the voice of experience: size 48 shoes and 175 cranks). Because of a suggestion I saw here at BT, at my last triathlon I got off my bike and just picked it up and ran with it to the rack. It was much easier (and faster) than I thought it would be. The peace of mind of not having to worry about going back to pick up a shoe makes it so worth it.

 

I think you guys are doing it all wrong if your shoe is hitting the ground.  You do know that when you take your feet out of the shoes to dismount, you are placing your feet On Top of the shoe.  You are standing ontop of your now empty shoes, this way when the crank arm is all the way down, your shoe will not hit the pavement.

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2011-04-13 3:23 PM
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Do whatever is safe and more comfortable. Flying mount or walking the bike with bike shoes, etc...
Gaining 5 seconds probably will not make a difference for 99% of the people here.
Don't try something new because you'll gain style points unless you are very good at it.
I've seen rubber bans breaking prematurely, shoes dragging, bikes falling and even refs giving penalties because you are discarding equipment(rubber bands)...
Don't forget smooth is fast... and unless you are a pro couple seconds here and there will make zero difference.
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doubleplay - 2011-04-13 3:23 PM Do whatever is safe and more comfortable. Flying mount or walking the bike with bike shoes, etc... Gaining 5 seconds probably will not make a difference for 99% of the people here. Don't try something new because you'll gain style points unless you are very good at it. I've seen rubber bans breaking prematurely, shoes dragging, bikes falling and even refs giving penalties because you are discarding equipment(rubber bands)... Don't forget smooth is fast... and unless you are a pro couple seconds here and there will make zero difference.


There have been plenty of age group awards decided by seconds.
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