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2011-06-23 12:28 PM

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Met this guy at the gym the other day that signed up for IM wisconsin. He doesn't even have a bike and is borrowing someone elses. He has also never competed in a half or an olympic (He is going to be in for a rude awakening) He said he takes spin classes and rides the stationary for 4 hours at a time at the gym. Anyways that is beside the point, when I see him in the gym he is always swimming with a snorkel. He told me he does this because he plans on using a snorkel at IM Wisconsin because he says it is legal. This has to be illegal right? I want to tell the guy but I looked up the rules on the IM Wisconsin site and it says nothing about this being illegal (I figure its just common sense). Does anyone know where it would say this is illegal so I can show the guy? (Maybe he will sell me his slot for cheap!


2011-06-23 12:32 PM
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I heard people were using them at IMTX.  Apparently it isn't illegal, though I can't see how it would be adventageous to breathe through that tube for 1.5 hours.

I would polietly suggest that he join you at some local sprint or olympic in the meantime... at least to watch the transitions if not to compete.

2011-06-23 12:32 PM
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My understanding of the rules is that snorkels are perfectly legal.

(Edited for apostrophe abuse)



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x2.  Snorkels are legal.
2011-06-23 12:36 PM
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Snorkels = Legal

Submarines tied to your feet = not legal.

 http://www.livestrong.com/article/252542-snorkels-triathlon-swimming/

 



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2011-06-23 12:51 PM
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As others have said snorkels are legal. The real question to ask what happens if you get bumped and you loose it? Can you swim the rest of the way without it or do you take a DNF?

The rules are firm:, If you can't complete the swim, you are out of the event.


2011-06-23 12:51 PM
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bigpaps - 2011-06-23 1:28 PM Met this guy at the gym the other day that signed up for IM wisconsin. He doesn't even have a bike and is borrowing someone elses. He has also never competed in a half or an olympic (He is going to be in for a rude awakening) He said he takes spin classes and rides the stationary for 4 hours at a time at the gym.

As much as I'd like to mock this guy, he's probably one of those freakish people that can roll out of bed in the morning and go sub 12.  I hate those guys! Wink

2011-06-23 12:54 PM
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Can  you use a snorkel for sprint distance? Sorry for the hijack, but hubs is still trying to get his breathing down, and this would help him if he still isn't really comfortable...we can both easily swim the distance, it's just practicing the breathing, and trying to improve speed that we're working on.
2011-06-23 12:59 PM
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eliminates the need for any bi-lateral breathing. have to hand it to him for finding a way around that

2011-06-23 1:00 PM
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it may be legal but talk about sticking out like a "sore thumb"......IMOP If I couldnt swim without a snorkel I would not do a race until I could.

Are training wheels legal if I couldnt ride a bike?

 

2011-06-23 1:05 PM
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I guess that makes sense, doesn't seem like it would actually help you too much. Don't know why anyoen would want to though...

 



2011-06-23 1:15 PM
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teamHaggiethemrs - 2011-06-23 12:54 PM Can  you use a snorkel for sprint distance?

Ask the Race Director/Organizer.  It seems it is up to them.

 

2011-06-23 1:18 PM
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Flippers are cool too, but only if you hide them under your wetsuit until you get in the water.

Oh, and remember to ditch them before you get out...

2011-06-23 1:18 PM
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FELTGood - 2011-06-23 1:00 PM

it may be legal but talk about sticking out like a "sore thumb"......IMOP If I couldnt swim without a snorkel I would not do a race until I could.

Are training wheels legal if I couldnt ride a bike?

 

You'd probably want to own a bike before signing up for an IM too.

(Don't know if it's sarcasm or not,   Didn't want you to think I was making fun of your statement.  I agree with the idea of actually being prepared for the race)  

Riding a spin bike for 4 hours to train to ride a borrowed bike for 112 miles.   That's even more outlandish then the snorkel.  

 



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 Swimming with a snorkel might be easier but will make it more difficult to sight. Also I really need that glide. its so much part of my rhythm these days that even if it is an option I dont think I will use it. 
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2011-06-23 2:01 PM
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teamHaggiethemrs - 2011-06-23 12:54 PM Can  you use a snorkel for sprint distance? Sorry for the hijack, but hubs is still trying to get his breathing down, and this would help him if he still isn't really comfortable...we can both easily swim the distance, it's just practicing the breathing, and trying to improve speed that we're working on.

Snorkels are legal and he should be able to use them for the sprint race. Here is the rule on illegal swim equipment.

2011-06-23 2:02 PM
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A snorkel is a bit odd...legal but odd.  Borrowing a bike is not ideal...but you can make do.  At least the guy sounds like he's taking his training volume seriously though...which I feel is the most important thing.  4 hours on a stationary takes some commitment.
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swimming with a snorkel has it advantageous.  It lets you keep your head in the water longer, increasing your look-out for sharks, man eating sea turtles, and rabid manatees

 

2011-06-23 2:11 PM
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bigpaps - 2011-06-23 1:05 PM

I guess that makes sense, doesn't seem like it would actually help you too much. Don't know why anyoen would want to though...

 

 

I hear that a very select few use them because their necks are fused and they can't turn them enough to breathe right. Other than those people, it's just a crutch that probably doesn't help much except to promote laziness in technique.

Edit: To answer the OP's question, they are legal and have been known to be used in WTC Ironman races without issue.



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2011-06-23 2:14 PM
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I think snorkels have the same rule as wearing a wetsuit when the water temp is between 78 and 84.  You can do it, but you wouldn't be eligible to win awards.


2011-06-23 2:16 PM
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But...but...where does he run???
2011-06-23 2:28 PM
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Personally, I find swimming with a snorkel harder, but I've only done it a couple of times. As far as the bike goes...I work with a guy who did IMSG last year as his first ever tri and didn't own a bike until 12 weeks out.  He finished just fine.

2011-06-23 2:40 PM
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kevin_trapp - 2011-06-23 2:14 PM I think snorkels have the same rule as wearing a wetsuit when the water temp is between 78 and 84.  You can do it, but you wouldn't be eligible to win awards.

No, not true at all.
See page 1 for a link to the actual rule on swim equipment.

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I can just see him in the Washing machine of the swim start with the snorkel getting hit every half second until it is knocked off his face. That just wont work well. Has he ever WATCHED an IM event before? Even if he makes it to the bike - if there is any sort of weather available he will be in for a rude awakening on the bike as well (not to mention probably having saddle sores from an infamiliar bike)

Good luck to him though if he wants to do it.

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