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2011-07-20 2:57 PM

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What does everyone use to fuel themselves during an OLY tri? It's not that long of a distance to cover but I see bento box suggestions, fuel belts, etc.

I figure a few gels here and there should do the trick, am I mistaken? I'm planning on waking up 3 hours prior to the start of the race, having breakfast (a banana?) and then heading out.



2011-07-20 3:00 PM
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How long do you think you will be on the course?
2011-07-20 3:01 PM
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What is your expected finish time?

Personally, I'll have breakfast about two hours out, maybe a gel before the swim and maybe a gel on the bike (2:15ish finish).

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2011-07-20 3:09 PM
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^^^ I was going to ask the same ... is a banana all you usually have for breakfast, even on long training days?

A decent (some carbs, a little protein, a little fat, probably go easy on the fiber) a couple 2-3 hours out, and then maybe some sports drink on the course should hold you in good stead if you're going to be out there less than, say, four hours.

Have you taken gels on long bikes before?

Unless the course doesn't have water stops on the run, you probably don't need anything like a carrier belt.

2011-07-20 3:11 PM
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My expected numbers, which obviously will be different than my actual.

Swim = 40 minutes (I'll have the hudson river current with me, this should be the max time)

Bike =  90 minutes (I average 18.5 mph usually, would think I'll reduce my speed for the race?)

Run=  70 minutes, avg 11/mile

Total = 200 minutes, about 3:20

2011-07-20 3:14 PM
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TriAya - 2011-07-20 3:09 PM

^^^ I was going to ask the same ... is a banana all you usually have for breakfast, even on long training days?

A decent (some carbs, a little protein, a little fat, probably go easy on the fiber) a couple 2-3 hours out, and then maybe some sports drink on the course should hold you in good stead if you're going to be out there less than, say, four hours.

Have you taken gels on long bikes before?

Unless the course doesn't have water stops on the run, you probably don't need anything like a carrier belt.

As of the last few months my AM sessions I've only had a banana, I've also been trying to lose weight for 2 months so it's affected my consumption. I dropped 16 lbs, and with my race 2.5 weeks out it's time to get into some proper consumption, adding more carbs, protein, etc.

I've taken gels on long rides, and some long runs.



2011-07-20 3:21 PM
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I usually shoot for about 160-180 Calories per hour of racing.  For an Oly that will be about 2.5-3 hrs, that's about 450 calories - A gel before the swim (100 calories) so a bottle of HEED (about 250 calories) on the bike, a Gel at the end of the bike (100).   I may not have that last Gel if I don't feel like I need it.
2011-07-20 3:36 PM
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Personally, I don't fuel as much for an Oly as I do for IM or HIM...willing to gamble on running down the tank a bit, simply because the intensity is higher and I find it's a bit harder to process calories.  Even so, I'll do a gel before heading down to the swim, then a gel about 15 minutes into the ride, and a gel shortly before the end of the ride...I literally tape those to my top tube right behind the headset with electrical tape so that I can just tear them off & open.  For the run, I'll have some sports drink along the way for calories...depends on how frequent the aid stations are.  For someone doing a 3 hour plus Oly (run of an hour or more), I could easily see taking a gel along to eat on the run.
2011-07-20 3:38 PM
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bsc77 - 2011-07-21 5:14 AM
TriAya - 2011-07-20 3:09 PM

^^^ I was going to ask the same ... is a banana all you usually have for breakfast, even on long training days?

A decent (some carbs, a little protein, a little fat, probably go easy on the fiber) a couple 2-3 hours out, and then maybe some sports drink on the course should hold you in good stead if you're going to be out there less than, say, four hours.

Have you taken gels on long bikes before?

Unless the course doesn't have water stops on the run, you probably don't need anything like a carrier belt.

As of the last few months my AM sessions I've only had a banana, I've also been trying to lose weight for 2 months so it's affected my consumption. I dropped 16 lbs, and with my race 2.5 weeks out it's time to get into some proper consumption, adding more carbs, protein, etc.

I've taken gels on long rides, and some long runs.

Congrats on the weight drop

If you have a couple gels with water during the race, or a bottle or two of sports drink, that's about the same. If you're used to going long on a banana breakfast and then some nutrition during, you should be fine with a little more breakfast and then about the same on the course. The simpler you can keep it, the better.

Good luck and have a great race!

2011-07-20 3:41 PM
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tcovert - 2011-07-20 3:36 PM Personally, I don't fuel as much for an Oly as I do for IM or HIM...willing to gamble on running down the tank a bit, simply because the intensity is higher and I find it's a bit harder to process calories.  Even so, I'll do a gel before heading down to the swim, then a gel about 15 minutes into the ride, and a gel shortly before the end of the ride...I literally tape those to my top tube right behind the headset with electrical tape so that I can just tear them off & open.  For the run, I'll have some sports drink along the way for calories...depends on how frequent the aid stations are.  For someone doing a 3 hour plus Oly (run of an hour or more), I could easily see taking a gel along to eat on the run.

That's great, I've done the same thing, my 2xu shorts have some pockets for gels, i may try them next time!

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TriAya - 2011-07-20 3:38 PM
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TriAya - 2011-07-20 3:09 PM

^^^ I was going to ask the same ... is a banana all you usually have for breakfast, even on long training days?

A decent (some carbs, a little protein, a little fat, probably go easy on the fiber) a couple 2-3 hours out, and then maybe some sports drink on the course should hold you in good stead if you're going to be out there less than, say, four hours.

Have you taken gels on long bikes before?

Unless the course doesn't have water stops on the run, you probably don't need anything like a carrier belt.

As of the last few months my AM sessions I've only had a banana, I've also been trying to lose weight for 2 months so it's affected my consumption. I dropped 16 lbs, and with my race 2.5 weeks out it's time to get into some proper consumption, adding more carbs, protein, etc.

I've taken gels on long rides, and some long runs.

Congrats on the weight drop

If you have a couple gels with water during the race, or a bottle or two of sports drink, that's about the same. If you're used to going long on a banana breakfast and then some nutrition during, you should be fine with a little more breakfast and then about the same on the course. The simpler you can keep it, the better.

Good luck and have a great race!

Thanks for the info, nothing new on race day so I guess a banana it is

Unless I start adding a better breakfast now so I'll get used to it.



2011-07-20 3:45 PM
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glob o' peanut butter on that banana and a drink with some calories, like juice or sports drink--that should be a fine breakfast.

Do the 2XU shorts have a tight pocket and/or little velcro closure? You could tuck a gel in there before the race and it'll be fine the whole way through, plus the tape over the top on the bike tube is a good idea.

2011-07-20 3:51 PM
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Well they're actually on the way now via amazon, I'm pretty sure the pockets are very tight, no velcro. My current 2xu's don't have pockets, I wasn't paying attention when I ordered them.
2011-07-20 3:52 PM
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bsc77 - 2011-07-20 1:41 PM

tcovert - 2011-07-20 3:36 PM Personally, I don't fuel as much for an Oly as I do for IM or HIM...willing to gamble on running down the tank a bit, simply because the intensity is higher and I find it's a bit harder to process calories.  Even so, I'll do a gel before heading down to the swim, then a gel about 15 minutes into the ride, and a gel shortly before the end of the ride...I literally tape those to my top tube right behind the headset with electrical tape so that I can just tear them off & open.  For the run, I'll have some sports drink along the way for calories...depends on how frequent the aid stations are.  For someone doing a 3 hour plus Oly (run of an hour or more), I could easily see taking a gel along to eat on the run.

That's great, I've done the same thing, my 2xu shorts have some pockets for gels, i may try them next time!

Pockets in my Zoot shorts ended up being where the empty GU packets went on the ride in my last race...race belt kinda gets in the way of the little pockets in my tri top... 

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2011-07-20 3:56 PM
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I plan to drink a Mighty Mango Naked Juice and eat a cliff bar 90 minutes before my Oly & then pop a gel at race start & one halfway through the bike.  It's probably excessive, but that's the plan.

btw, this is what I have before any race I do (5k, 10k, HM, FM, Sprint, etc...) and I always eat waffles the night before, yummy.



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In my last Olympic, I went through 2 GUs on the bike while drinking about half a bottle of FRS and then 2 GUs on the run and I felt ok.

2:30 of work.

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Two blueberry bagels and a cup of coffee for breakfast. Gatorade G1 15min before the swim,  Nunn and CarboPro mix on the bike, Stinger Honey Waffle at mi 20 of the bike, course water on the run with another G1 at mi 3.    YMMV
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I did my first two Olympic tris this year.  Normal breakfast 2 hours before (a banana and yogurt for me).  I skipped the gel before the swim (forgot it at my first race and was fine).  1 gel 15 minutes into the bike and another about 15 minutes before the end.  On my second race I actually took half, waited ~10 minutes then took the other half of the gel so I didn't have to choke down the whole packet at once.  Just water on the run.  My times were just under 3 hours.  If it's hot, I'll take some salt capsules on the ride too.  I can probably get by without them.

 

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   My last OLY I had a gel 15 min prior, then one every 45 min from that one, along with two bottles of water on the bike.  The little bit of extra water I had left at the end of the bike, I used to cool off just before hopping off.  That worked great for me, but I think next time I will try gatorade in one bottle and water in the other.  Just experiment during training to see what you need.
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bsc77 - 2011-07-20 1:57 PM

What does everyone use to fuel themselves during an OLY tri? It's not that long of a distance to cover but I see bento box suggestions, fuel belts, etc.

I figure a few gels here and there should do the trick, am I mistaken? I'm planning on waking up 3 hours prior to the start of the race, having breakfast (a banana?) and then heading out.



How much do you weigh? If you are 120# vs. 180# there is a big difference.


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bsc77 - 2011-07-20 1:57 PM

What does everyone use to fuel themselves during an OLY tri? It's not that long of a distance to cover but I see bento box suggestions, fuel belts, etc.

I figure a few gels here and there should do the trick, am I mistaken? I'm planning on waking up 3 hours prior to the start of the race, having breakfast (a banana?) and then heading out.


From reading this thread, I'd say most of you are under fueling. Yikes.

During sleep you burn about 600 calories. And IF, (that's a big IF) you are topped off when you go to sleep, that leaves you with about 1400-1900 calories starting your workouts. For some that's a 2 hour ride and for others it might be a 90' run.

Most nutritionists will tell you that you need to get those calories back in BEFORE training, and I don't disagree, but I tend to have something on the lighter side for a training day and something a bit more on race day.

For a training day - let's say 90' but with little intensity, I'll have a piece of toast with peanut butter OR a banana. If there is intensity in the workout I'll have 2 scoops of enduromax (great stuff) with water.

For race day, I usually eat 3 hours before - toast with peanut butter, bannana, and 250 cals of Infinit. A gel before the start, and about 250-300 cals on the bike. I take one gel before I get off the bike and 1-2 gels on the run, depending on how hard I'm going and if I can stomach it.

I'm around 2:19 OLY at Altitude on a tough course and I weigh 168. 

The longer you are out there, the more calories you'll need and I'd probably fuel up a bit more too.
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mikericci - 2011-07-21 8:33 AM

For race day, I usually eat 3 hours before - toast with peanut butter, bannana, and 250 cals of Infinit. A gel before the start, and about 250-300 cals on the bike. I take one gel before I get off the bike and 1-2 gels on the run, depending on how hard I'm going and if I can stomach it.


To me this really highlights the fact that what an athlete can tolerate at intensity is pretty individual. I am similar to Mike (race weight ~170lbs and 2:15ish not at altitude) and eat my normal breakfast about two hours before the start (about 400-500Cal) and typically some sports drink in the 30 minutes before the start.

However, I cannot tolerate more than a gel on the bike and small sips of water on the run and bike; I have experiemented with this on several occasions and at Oly distance intensity any more than that and I either throw up or feel like I'm about to.

However, for the OP, as you are planning on being on course ~3:20ish, I would suggest that you will be looking at more nutrition on the bike and run than I would take. I would try for 150-200Cal/hr on the bike and 100-150Cal/hr on the run (this is a guess and assumes that you are an average male athlete).

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bsc77 - 2011-07-20 4:11 PM

My expected numbers, which obviously will be different than my actual.

Swim = 40 minutes (I'll have the hudson river current with me, this should be the max time)

Bike =  90 minutes (I average 18.5 mph usually, would think I'll reduce my speed for the race?)

Run=  70 minutes, avg 11/mile

Total = 200 minutes, about 3:20

I'm assuming this is the NYC TRI and if it is unless your pool 100's are somewhere close to 3:00/100 there's no way it'll take you 40 minutes. Last year only one person exceeded 40 minutes and only 39 others out of 3484 exceeded 30 minutes.

Conversely the bike is much hillier than people expect so I'd be careful not to blow up on them.

I'm doing the event this year for the first time so I'm not an expert on the course but I've tried to do my research.

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