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2011-10-29 10:37 PM
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Had a great time today!!!!  Congrats to everyone!


2011-10-30 6:44 AM
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results are up.  great job everyone!
2011-10-30 10:26 AM
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nice job everyone. I hope you enjoyed my incredible aid station skills at the run turnaround

was a brisk day! way to HTFU!

2011-10-30 11:47 AM
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The swim was much worse than I expected, but I am damn proud of my DFL on the swim. The bike was also tougher than expected. The run went suprisingly well. No bursitis (maybe a little today), just lack of training, but I ran/walked consistently. I love that it was tough conditions and aside from a few moments on the bike, I enjoyed every second of torture.
2011-10-30 12:56 PM
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DMarkSwan - 2011-10-30 12:47 PM

The swim was much worse than I expected, but I am damn proud of my DFL on the swim. The bike was also tougher than expected. The run went suprisingly well. No bursitis (maybe a little today), just lack of training, but I ran/walked consistently. I love that it was tough conditions and aside from a few moments on the bike, I enjoyed every second of torture.


That's priceless! You did great Mark, CONGRATS!! I enjoyed meeting your wife and family, too.

This was the hardest half iron I have ever done. Very hard swim and very hard bike, and well, the run is always hard for me, no different yesterday.
2011-10-30 2:44 PM
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roxanne815 - 2011-10-29 11:37 PM

Had a great time today!!!!  Congrats to everyone!


Very nice meeting you, Too, Roxanne. Congrats on your first half, and extra double congrats for doing it on such a hard day. You had a smile on your face all day, too!


2011-10-31 10:20 AM
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I want to thank all of you who recommended Marabellas. It didn't look like much from the outside but it was amazing!

And thanks to Alan and Scottie for making the trip just to help out and supoort us.

2011-10-31 11:55 AM
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Ubear97 - 2011-10-29 4:20 PM

All the BT'ers at Washington:  great work in less than ideal conditions!  It was nice seeing a bunch of you. 

BTW, I spoke with one of the FS Series guys afterwards and next year they are moving this race to July and having it on the same weekend as the Washington Sprint and OLY.  After today's weather, I applaud the decision. 

I hear you on the cold and windy, but it was the opposite in July at the OLY this year- hot and very humid. I would not have wanted to do a HIM in that- the heat presents a whole new set of challenges than the cold. I wonder why they don't do it in Sept, for instance? It could serve a tune-up race for late season IMs and would avoid being on the same weekend as B2B half. What do others prefer: late Oct with the risk of cold, or late July where you KNOW it is going to be hot...it just depends on HOW hot? I doubt I would sign up for an HIM in July in NC.

2011-10-31 12:10 PM
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The B2B races move each year. Next year they will be a week later and than a further week later the year after that. FSseries thinks that a July date will allow people to use the Washington Half as a tune up for Louisville, IMOO, or other mid-season IM's.

As much as I hate the heat and humidity ( and I do more than most), the cold and wind were worse. I do not expect to feel 100% for at least a week.

2011-10-31 12:17 PM
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I would support a HIM in July, but not the last weekend of July.  That would be too close to IM Louisville.  I think someone needs to step up and offer a race on or around July 4th.
2011-10-31 12:20 PM
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louiskie - 2011-10-31 12:55 PM
Ubear97 - 2011-10-29 4:20 PM

All the BT'ers at Washington:  great work in less than ideal conditions!  It was nice seeing a bunch of you. 

BTW, I spoke with one of the FS Series guys afterwards and next year they are moving this race to July and having it on the same weekend as the Washington Sprint and OLY.  After today's weather, I applaud the decision. 

I hear you on the cold and windy, but it was the opposite in July at the OLY this year- hot and very humid. I would not have wanted to do a HIM in that- the heat presents a whole new set of challenges than the cold. I wonder why they don't do it in Sept, for instance? It could serve a tune-up race for late season IMs and would avoid being on the same weekend as B2B half. What do others prefer: late Oct with the risk of cold, or late July where you KNOW it is going to be hot...it just depends on HOW hot? I doubt I would sign up for an HIM in July in NC.

I totally have to agree with Louiskie.  I did the OLY in July and the run wore me down.  I was in pretty good shape (I felt so bad for most people there who weren't) and would NOT have wanted to do a Half.  Last weekend was a crap shoot.  North Carolina weather is fantastic in the Fall.  We just happened to have a cold front come through.  The next day was beautiful.  You KNOW it's going to be sweltering in July.  You have an idea of what the temperature is going to be like in October.  October is kind of pushing it, but oh well.



2011-10-31 12:40 PM
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I see no reason to move it for the weather. The cold held me up a little in transtion, but it was the wind that really beat me down and it could be windy anytime.

I bet it's a business decision to get some seperation from B2B and save some cost traveling, setting up, and taking down once in Washington instead of twice. Logistics seems to be one of FS's strengths so working out the three races in a wekkend should be doable for them.

FWIW, I would love to see the races in September, but I would have signed up for this one anytime from June to early November because I wanted to do a half this year. But I won't be doing a half next year. The oly is still under consideration, but the water mocassin possibility freaks me out. That's another plus for cold.

2011-10-31 12:48 PM
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DMarkSwan - 2011-10-31 1:40 PM

I see no reason to move it for the weather. The cold held me up a little in transtion, but it was the wind that really beat me down and it could be windy anytime.

I bet it's a business decision to get some seperation from B2B and save some cost traveling, setting up, and taking down once in Washington instead of twice. Logistics seems to be one of FS's strengths so working out the three races in a wekkend should be doable for them.

FWIW, I would love to see the races in September, but I would have signed up for this one anytime from June to early November because I wanted to do a half this year. But I won't be doing a half next year. The oly is still under consideration, but the water mocassin possibility freaks me out. That's another plus for cold.

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If they move it, I would hope for September. That would not be a good tune up race time unless it was Labor Day weekend or so but it's a great weather month for cycling and not too shabby for running either.  July just sounds HOT.

2011-10-31 1:18 PM
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Let me look at my list of things I look for in a HIM...

Hummm.  90+ degrees in swealtering humidity is not on my list.  Olympic distance in July is one thing, HIM is a whole other beast.  There is no finishing before it gets too hot.  The lows are usually 75 in July. 

2011-10-31 1:45 PM
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The OBX Half/OLY/Sprint race will be moving back until late September so there is no reason to have 2 Half races within a month of each other.

We thought about late May but it may be a scheduling issue with Washington. They currently have a kayakathon in late April, May is clear (WL Month), June is the big festival in Washington, and July has been the Oly/Sprint.

For those people that have raced at White Lake in May, hasn't the temperature been in the 80'or higher? I really think it is hit or miss.....IM Louisville is a huge draw and the temps are usually in the 90's.

Schedule not final so we are listening to pro's/con's......
2011-10-31 2:05 PM
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I did White Lake HIM in May (2010) and it was 88 degrees and it was absolutely miserable (and wife and I both vowed to never do that race again).  The one saving grace with White Lake is there is little humidity in the beginning of May (but no shade).   Add the humidity to that...no thanks.   It is hard enough for me running 13 miles at 6am in July. 

 Early June would be a better option IMHO than July.  Only good thing about July is the lack of competition from surrounding races.

 

 



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2011-10-31 2:06 PM
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This past year White Lake was not that hot, but you are right it has been wicked hot in years past. May might be good because White lake is going back to just 1 weekend in 2012 so it might fill up by the end of this week leaving alot of people without an early season HIM.

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qrkid - 2011-10-31 3:06 PM

This past year White Lake was not that hot, but you are right it has been wicked hot in years past. May might be good because White lake is going back to just 1 weekend in 2012 so it might fill up by the end of this week leaving alot of people without an early season HIM.

Yeah forgot about that.  A mid apriil or mid-late may date would probably be even better to catch those used to doing White Lake II. 

2011-10-31 2:10 PM
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japarker24 - 2011-10-31 1:17 PM I would support a HIM in July, but not the last weekend of July.  That would be too close to IM Louisville.  I think someone needs to step up and offer a race on or around July 4th.

It's a little bit earlier, but there's the Rock 'n Rollman half in Macon in early June.  Not an easy course and brutally hot (upper 90s at the finish this year) but timing may work for you.  The organizers do a great job preparing for the heat and ice and frozen towels are available at every aid station on the run course.

2011-10-31 2:36 PM
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This are all great points. I'm looking at the farmers almanac of the last couple of years in July and here is what I found....

2011 - 100 (HOT)
2010 - 84
2009 - 87

Might need to see what else is out there.....

Looks like 3rd week of May might not be bad based on FA....

2011 - 80
2010 - 75.2
2009 - 60.8
2008 - 75.2

Thoughts on Half/Oly/Sprint Weekend in Washington Park?
2011-10-31 2:51 PM
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100 would be bad. 



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Long day for sure!!!

2011-10-31 6:05 PM
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Just as long as you still give out a hoodie with the race packet, I'll do the race even in 90 degree heat.

I love the hoodie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2011-11-01 11:17 PM
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Woo Hoo !!!! What a great time. I enjoyed everything but the head wind. Jason, Brent, Marc... You'll have to do something about that next year. The swim was a great test of technique. The bike was a great test of discipline. The run was a great test of conditioning. It was my first HIM and I'm not sure I could have enjoyed it more, even under ideal conditions. The small group of competitors was fantastic. Everyone was great. I believe I met several of you. It was a pleasure. The volunteers were awesome, really brave. It's a great race on a great course and it's a shame I won't be doing it again. JULY ?! Not for me. I have a lot of trouble even keeping with my run training in the Summer or anytime the temperature gets above 80 degrees or so. I guess Kona won't be in my future. My vote (for what it's worth) is late September. The MS150 and the WL Olympic are earlier in the month and in my opinion it would still be a good warm up for a late season IM. P.S. I beat my target time by over ten minutes!P.P.S. Feel better soon Debbie. CJ and I missed you at the race.
2011-11-02 9:38 AM
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The issue with the heat at White Lake for me has always been the lack of heat during the training period.  What is really not that hot seems terribly hot because we haven't acclimated.

Now July in Washington would be a real test of endurance.  Take into account the heat, but also the humidity.  I can't say with certainty, but I don't know how many people would sign up for a half at that time in the year.  As to the comparison with IM Louisville, I think people have signed up for that because they were bound and determined to race an i dot race and that was the one they could get into on the east coast.  If I race an iron distance race ( which is a big if) I would race B2B.  For me it's the distance, not the brand.

The calendar is full, that's for sure.  I like this race for a multitude of reasons and will always race it over the B2B half for those reasons. 

I think if you did it in July, you'd have to start at 6 a.m. in order to avoid the worst of the day.  That's not an issue for me, but it might be for others.

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