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2005-09-14 8:26 PM

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Subject: Triathlon Race Wheels and Tires


What are some of the race wheels and tires some of you use out there? And how much did they cost?


2005-09-14 8:55 PM
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Glad you asked.  I too am looking into getting some race tires and wheels.  I don't know a lot about them- all I know is that Zipp wheels are awesome and they are expensive!  I can't wait to see the other repsonses so I can start my quest for new bike additions!
2005-09-14 9:04 PM
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I started doing a little comparison shopping since I plan to buy a set of race wheels this winter. If money weren't a concern I'd get a set of Zipp 606s in a heartbeat. If you want to save some cash then look into the HED Stinger 50. They are 50mm vs 58mm for Zipp 404s and are marginally heavier...for $750 less. They appear to be the best back for the buck I can find. For rear discs check into Renn...the Madeira is $700 ($650 less than the Zipp 909) and weighs only 20g more than the Zipp 909. Again, I'm not suggesting any of these are BETTER than ZIPP, but for the price of a set of Zipps you could have a set of HED Stinger 50s AND a Renn Madeira.

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2005-09-14 9:30 PM
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I have the Zipp 606's with Vittoria Corsa Evo-CX tubular tires, that ran me 1,950 for the wheels then another $200 for both tires. You could look into a pair of the 2004 Mavic Carbones clinchers that go for around $850 all the time.
2005-09-14 9:55 PM
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Forgot to mention...check out TriSports.com for a decent selection of wheels.  You can pick up the Zipp 606 set for $1500 with your BT discount.  The HED Stinger 50 set will run you $830.
2005-09-15 3:31 AM
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I looked around and after seeing how technical and hilly most Tri courses are, (in my area of the country anyways) decided to go with Nimble Crosswinds. Check them out, about $1300 a set very light and also one of the best "real world" areo set around. One second thought go with a set of ZIPPS, why should you be as fast as me.


2005-09-15 6:26 AM
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lexington476 - 2005-09-14 8:26 PM What are some of the race wheels and tires some of you use out there? And how much did they cost?

It really depends where you will be racing. In hilly areas such as New England it is better to get wheels such as Zip 404, Hed Alps or Stinger, Maveric Carbone, etc. because weight it is more important for climbing. If you are going to be racing on flat land go for a Hed 3 and a disc on the back where speed is more important than weight. Check this article

2005-09-15 6:51 AM
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I just bought a Zipp 404 front and Hed 3 Rear, both tubular from e-bay. Add a couple of Tufo S-3 Lite tires, and I'm set up for a total of $610 bucks.
2005-09-15 7:26 AM
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That's a good deal you got there.  Was it the new dimpled Zipp?  Is the HED the newer all carbon version?
2005-09-15 7:37 AM
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I'm curious about what you found in your research.  Why did you decide that the Nimlbes would be a better choice?  The Crosswinds (all carbon tubular) weigh 1526g (front - 693g, rear - 833g) and the Zipp 404 (all carbon tubular) weigh 1292g.  For additional comparison, a set of HED3c trispokes weigh 1500g.

Special K - 2005-09-15 4:31 AM I looked around and after seeing how technical and hilly most Tri courses are, (in my area of the country anyways) decided to go with Nimble Crosswinds. Check them out, about $1300 a set very light and also one of the best "real world" areo set around. One second thought go with a set of ZIPPS, why should you be as fast as me.

2005-09-15 7:41 AM
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No...these were older wheels. The Zipp is a 2002 model, and the Hed is about the same vintage (and it's the aluminum braking surface version).

TH3_FRB - 2005-09-15 7:26 AM That's a good deal you got there.  Was it the new dimpled Zipp?  Is the HED the newer all carbon version?



2005-09-15 7:53 AM
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Still a good deal...enjoy the cheap (relatively) speed!  I'm psyched to get my race wheels but there are so many choices and variables to consider...what to do, what to do...
2005-09-15 7:57 AM
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TH3_FRB - 2005-09-15 7:53 AM Still a good deal...enjoy the cheap (relatively) speed!  I'm psyched to get my race wheels but there are so many choices and variables to consider...what to do, what to do...

I am not sure how much $$ you are willing to spend but check out this website: http://www.wheelbuilder.com/index.asp

2005-09-15 9:50 AM
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I looked at the "data" that both companies provided regarding areo advantage and weight. ZIPPS slightly better numbers regarding straight headwind situations but rarely do you have that so for real world riding the Crosswinds were a good combination for me.
2005-09-15 10:30 AM
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I used zipp 404 clinchers last year with Continental Supersonic tires.  No flats after 6 races (about 125 miles).

I switched to the 2005 zipp tubulars this year and Continental Sprinter tires.  No flats all hear and I LOVE the tubulars....much lighter than clinchers.

2005-09-15 11:40 AM
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Do any of ya'll knw anything about American Classic race wheels/tires???? 


2005-09-15 12:11 PM
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A friend got his Felt tri bike with American wheels (I don't what model though) and it seems they are great wheels for training/racing. I mean they aren't Zipps or Hed aero wheels, but hey it is not about the bike after all. The truth is that aero wheels will only benefit your speed as long as you are riding 22mph or higher. I ride my road and only bike with the same wheels it came when I bought it, and let me tell you how much I LOVE to pass those participants with aero wheels, aero helmets and other different TOYS. Eventually I would like to buy some aero wheels of course but for the moment I rather prefer to keep improving my efficiency and power…

2005-09-15 12:16 PM
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amiine - 2005-09-15 1:11 PM

A friend got his Felt tri bike with American wheels (I don't what model though) and it seems they are great wheels for training/racing. I mean they aren't Zipps or Hed aero wheels, but hey it is not about the bike after all. The truth is that aero wheels will only benefit your speed as long as you are riding 22mph or higher. I ride my road and only bike with the same wheels it came when I bought it, and let me tell you how much I LOVE to pass those participants with aero wheels, aero helmets and other different TOYS. Eventually I would like to buy some aero wheels of course but for the moment I rather prefer to keep improving my efficiency and power…

Yeah- one of the guys a tthe bike shop (who races and knows a lot about bike stuff- obviously becuase he works at the shop) said they they are just as good as Zipp wheels, but are much cheaper- about 1/2 the price.  To me, it seems like I'd be paying more for Zipp wheels just for the name.  And...since I'm not an elite triathlete, I don't know if I feel like I'm good enough to have the best race wheels.  I usually like to buy things that are priced "middle of the road".  I don't need the best, but I also don't want something that's not going to last or be of good quality.  I am really considering the American Classic race wheels- I think for me those might be realistic!

2005-09-15 12:32 PM
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you should also check velocity . They have good wheels at good prices…

2005-09-15 1:07 PM
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Who says you can't have the best wheels just because you aren't a pro?  I typically go for the best that I can reasonably manage with my budget...and often just a little more than I can manage.  I've found that I spend less in the long run by bucking up and getting the higher end item to begin with because either 1)  I'll want the better stuff eventually or 2) you get what you paid for and you'll wish you had spent the extra from the get go.  First set out your budget...how much are you willing to spend on a set of wheels...then compile a list of the options that are near that limit and consider the benefits of spending your max vs something less.  For example, I'd be willing to spend $1500 for race wheels (which would be Zipp 606s) but I could get something nearly as good for $800 (HED Sringers)...that's a tough call to make but it has nothing to do with what I feel I deserve.

runnergirl28 - 2005-09-15 1:16 PM

And...since I'm not an elite triathlete, I don't know if I feel like I'm good enough to have the best race wheels.  I usually like to buy things that are priced "middle of the road".  I don't need the best, but I also don't want something that's not going to last or be of good quality. 

2005-09-15 5:56 PM
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Check out http://www.x-tremewheels.com/

I have ridden these in the past and they fly. Claim to be some of the lightest wheels around and of course made here in tgood old Australia, so you know it's quality., i actually did a marketing plan as part of a University project when they first started out building in their garage on the Gold Coast .


2005-09-16 7:53 AM
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I need to ask a stupid question. A wheelset like the Hed Stinger 50mm...would I only use that for races? ...or could a wheel like that be mounted full-time for racing and training?

I don't get passed a lot, but most people passing me have some type of kick a## wheel set going...but I can't justify the money unless I can just throw them on there and train with them as well.
2005-09-16 8:10 AM
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morey1 - 2005-09-16 8:53 AM I need to ask a stupid question. A wheelset like the Hed Stinger 50mm...would I only use that for races? ...or could a wheel like that be mounted full-time for racing and training? I don't get passed a lot, but most people passing me have some type of kick a## wheel set going...but I can't justify the money unless I can just throw them on there and train with them as well.

Using a set of "trainer" wheels is fine...if that trainer set is a little heavier & such you'll benefit when you get to race day & switch to your lighter & faster "racing" wheelset.

I use Mavic Ksyrium SL's w/Michelin Pro racing tires for race day...Mavic Kysrium Elites for training...



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2005-09-16 8:23 AM
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These are my favorite! I use them all the time




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2005-09-16 8:39 AM
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If money is no object, Zipp 404s.  As stated previously, those run about $1500 a set though.  Zipp bearings are the biggest differentiator.

If money is an object, Hed Stingers.  About 1/2 the cost of the 404s.  Just about the same aero and weight-wise, but they don't have the uber smooth Zipp hubs. 

As has been pointed out, for the cost of a single set of 404s you can get a set of Hed Stingers and a Renn disc. 

Unless I can snag a good deal on someone ditching their 404s this winter, I'm going to go the Hed Stinger route.

As for training/race wheels, I wouldn't want to ride them all the time.  I know my usual bike routes have some nice bumps and rough spots that I'd not want to beat up an expensive set of wheels on.  A couple rides on 'em to keep the feel for how they handle in wind and such, but most of the time on the heavier plain spoke wheels that came with my bike.

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