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2011-10-22 2:23 PM

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Subject: Adding 10 speed bar ends on a 7 speed bike

My old Cannondale roadie is finally starting to bite the dust.  It's the only bike I have, and the shifters are now not functioning correctly (they shift after I have hit the STI 30+ times).  They are old Shimano shifters, probably 15 years old.  I am adding a set of clip-on aerobars to my setup this winter, and was considering changing my shifter setup to bar ends, and using the STIs for my brakes.

Is this even possible?  I mention the 10 speed bar ends mainly because I haven't seen 7 speed.  I am hoping to get some guidance here before I head to my LBS for my aero fit.  If it's possible, I will probably check into it at the store, unless it's something a novice wrench can do.

From my own research, i sorat realized switching out the shifters isn't the only thing that would need to be done.  I'm sure I'm looking at an entirely new group set, which:

 1. I can't afford. 

2.  I would just get a new TT bike instead (ahh someday....)

 Right now, I'm just trying to way my options, if there are any.

Thanks for your help and information!



2011-10-22 4:25 PM
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Subject: RE: Adding 10 speed bar ends on a 7 speed bike

I'm not sure, but I suspect the indexing is different (due to different cog spacing) between 7 speed and 10 speed, so I don't think the 10 speed bar end shifters would work for you in index mode.

If the shifters have a "friction mode" then you could probably use that.  Just means that you'd have to decide how far to move the shifter rather than just clicking it--but that's the way everybody used to shift before index shifting was invented.

Have you had a mechanic take a look at your old shifters?  And/or replaced your cables?  Might be a fixable problem rather than needing total replacement.

2011-10-22 5:55 PM
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Subject: RE: Adding 10 speed bar ends on a 7 speed bike

I had a 1988 Cannodnale SR400. I stripped it of everything except the frame and front derailleur. I built is up with a 9 speed mountain bike flatbar, trigger shifters, compact cranks, chain, mtn brake levers, road brake calipers, and cassette. I spent a lot of time researching component compatability. A former racer and mechanical engineer with a PhD from MIT told me it was OK to install a 130mm hub in the 126mm rear dropout spacing.

Everything must be the same speed system and manufacturer compatability. SRAM and Shimano OK Shimano and Campy BAD. Your 7 speed rear hub is NOT compatable with 9 or 10 speed systems. You are looking at the cost of a brand new components package. Look for a good used bike with 9 or 10 speed drivetrain. Ebay may have the shift levers you need.

2011-10-22 6:05 PM
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Subject: RE: Adding 10 speed bar ends on a 7 speed bike
You can very likely find 7 speed bar cons on eBay, often as NOS. I used a set for years on my 9 speed tribike and just used fructuin mode. Failing that, any bar cons should work, provided they have a friction mode as the indexing will not have the correct spacing for 7 speed.

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2011-10-22 6:11 PM
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Subject: RE: Adding 10 speed bar ends on a 7 speed bike
tjh - 2011-10-22 4:25 PM

I'm not sure, but I suspect the indexing is different (due to different cog spacing) between 7 speed and 10 speed, so I don't think the 10 speed bar end shifters would work for you in index mode.

If the shifters have a "friction mode" then you could probably use that.  Just means that you'd have to decide how far to move the shifter rather than just clicking it--but that's the way everybody used to shift before index shifting was invented.

Have you had a mechanic take a look at your old shifters?  And/or replaced your cables?  Might be a fixable problem rather than needing total replacement.

 

Yeah, I had them looked at, and the mechanic basically said they are near the end of their use.  I am more than likely going to take it to a different LBS, as I've moved, to see if I get another answer.  

Thanks for the help.  I am hoping all I need to do is try the friction mode for bar ends, but will probably be looking for a new ride in the future...

2011-10-22 6:24 PM
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Subject: RE: Adding 10 speed bar ends on a 7 speed bike
And thanks for the ebay suggestion.  I found some, and although they are quite expensive because they are now considered "antiques", it's nice to know that they are an option.


2011-10-22 7:00 PM
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I'm not sure what your definition of pricey is, but you can still get new 8 speed Ultegra bar ends on Amazon and run them in friction mode.

Edit: just looked on ebay--I'm not sure where those 7 speed shifters will end up, but so far they seem reasonable.



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2011-10-22 7:56 PM
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Subject: RE: Adding 10 speed bar ends on a 7 speed bike
I'm sure it's already been said (I haven't read other replies), but you can use the 10-speed bar end shifters just fine with your 7-speed derailleur and cassette. All Shimano bar end shifters have a friction mode for the rear derailleur. Just turn the D-ring so the little arrow points to "FRICT" and all is good. I'm still running 8-speed on all my bikes, some with 10-speed bar ends in friction mode, and it works great.
2011-10-22 8:06 PM
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Subject: RE: Adding 10 speed bar ends on a 7 speed bike

Does your bike have a cassette, or a freewheel system? Sheldon Brown has info on changing a 7-sp system to 8 or 9.... If you were able to go this route, then you could use a used 8 or 9-spd set of bar cons that someone no longer needs, and not be limited to friction-shifting

http://sheldonbrown.com/k7.html

2011-10-22 10:36 PM
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Subject: RE: Adding 10 speed bar ends on a 7 speed bike
FuryUs - 2011-10-22 7:00 PM

I'm not sure what your definition of pricey is, but you can still get new 8 speed Ultegra bar ends on Amazon and run them in friction mode.

Edit: just looked on ebay--I'm not sure where those 7 speed shifters will end up, but so far they seem reasonable.

Yeah, found some for $30, DEFINITELY doable, considering the price of a full groupo

2011-10-23 8:39 AM
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Subject: RE: Adding 10 speed bar ends on a 7 speed bike
You can use the Shimano 10spd in friction mode (i.e. not indexed, but free floating shift points).


2011-10-23 8:55 AM
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Subject: RE: Adding 10 speed bar ends on a 7 speed bike
Thanks everyone for the help.  I definitely have some ideas now, and will be discussing it with my LBS soon! The info should help keep my costs down, so I can afford that new TT soon-ish...
2011-10-23 9:32 AM
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Subject: RE: Adding 10 speed bar ends on a 7 speed bike
I have an old set of 10 speed bar cons in my bike room. They aren't pretty as the plastic was beaten up in a crash (not mine thankfully) but they are completely functional; if you are interested, send me a message.

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2011-10-28 3:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Adding 10 speed bar ends on a 7 speed bike

Three things to note:

1) As previously described, your 7 speed hub won't work with an 8-9-10 speed cassette...unless, that is, you replace the freehub body and axel and re-space, or get really whacky and try something like 8 of 9 on 7 or 9 of 10 on 7 (click and scroll about 3/4 of the way down for a description by Captain Bike).

2) Shimano 8 speed bar end shifters will work with your 7 speed cassette - Shimano left the spacing (and cable pull) per shift largely the same when they went from 7 to 8 speeds, with the extra freehub body width making up the difference between the two standards.

3) Be careful about any thoughts of large scale upgrades with your current frame.  Shimano 7 speed rear hubs were 126mm on axle, 8+ speed are 130.  You can squeeze the wider hub into the narrower frame, but with an aluminum bike, you'll ramp up the fatigue quickly (unlike steel bikes, you can't cold set aluminum), and you may run into difficulties properly centering your rear wheel.

2011-10-28 3:19 PM
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Subject: RE: Adding 10 speed bar ends on a 7 speed bike
Thanks for the advice, but you are speaking a different language.. hah. 
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