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2005-09-26 11:13 AM

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Subject: Saddle sores
My last bike ride left me with my first ever saddle sore. In one way I feel like I'm officially joining the ranks of cyclists! yay! On the other hand I've decided that this is something I'd rather not experience ever again. So, my lovely, helpful BTers, how can I avoid this in the future?

(And yes, I wear cycling shorts. Yes, they fit. No, I do not wear skivvies with the cycling shorts. Yes, I had a confident, experienced, tri-specific fitter fit my bike and I trust it.)



2005-09-26 11:14 AM
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Subject: RE: Saddle sores
Ride Lots (as Bear would say)
2005-09-26 11:17 AM
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Subject: RE: Saddle sores
Get a harder saddle. It's a bit counter intuitive, but a firmer saddle will usually prove to be more comfortable in the long run. You could also try some chamois cream (or Body Glide, or Bag Balm)
2005-09-26 11:19 AM
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Subject: RE: Saddle sores
What is chamois cream and how does one apply it?

and the 'Ride More' mantra seems to be the answer to any and all cycling related problems.. But that is one thing that I can definitely do!
2005-09-26 11:25 AM
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You put it on your saddle........just kidding. I think you answered your own question. You put it on the Chammy (i.e. pad) in your bike shorts.

Edited by BeCivil 2005-09-26 11:26 AM
2005-09-26 11:27 AM
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I thought I had a great fit too, but I developed saddle sores when I started to pile on the mileage. I used - and I am not making this up - Dr. Bodreaux's Butt Paste, available at Walgreens, and you smear it on exactly where you think you would. It worked great for me, but the only thing that made the saddle sores go away was to tweak the fit. Heretical as it may seem, "Ride Lots" might not be the best answer in your case, though I am otherwise 100% supportive of it. I also looked at your logs - not many miles there. Maybe you just started posting, but if you're getting sores at low mileage, more miles will just mean more sores. Good luck! 



2005-09-26 11:31 AM
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Subject: RE: Saddle sores
It's been about a month since I got my bike and my fitter told me to bring it back in for some tweaking soon...so I'm probably overdue for it.
2005-09-26 11:36 AM
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Subject: RE: Saddle sores

You got saddle sores riding 11.5 miles? That's a little hard to believe, maybe a sore tushy but saddle sores?

Folks around here swear by boudreaux's butt paste

2005-09-26 11:40 AM
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the bear - 2005-09-26 12:36 PM

Folks around here swear by boudreaux's butt paste

Used it. Excellent. Works great for adults wearing diapers in races too....wait...nevermind.

2005-09-26 2:41 PM
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Subject: RE: Saddle sores
Check out my avatar- that stuff works great!  You have to make sure to frost BOTH your butt and shorts like a cake and it works like a charm   Sorry- if you have any quesitons, just see the thread under cup of joe titled "I frost my butt like..."
2005-09-26 3:27 PM
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Subject: RE: Saddle sores

If you like a "cool" sensation down there, then find a product by a company named Assos (I kid you not, I think its a Swiss company).  Its a chamois cream that not only lubricates, but also has a touch of menthol.  When you stand up and the air hits you down there, you get that refreshing cool sensation.

Here's a link:

http://www.all3sports.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=assos&osCsid=76717de6c10b1e98711d1c7a6e2f158c&search_in_description=1



Edited by Motivated 2005-09-26 3:30 PM



2005-09-26 4:13 PM
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I'll second the recomendation of getting a hard saddle.  The more gel in the seat the more "mushing" around your privates.  Its better to glide and slide, side to side. (I didn't mean to ryme).

-Michael

2005-09-26 7:38 PM
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I'm assuming by saddle sore you mean broken skin/open sore on your arse.  right?

if so, congratulations, yes, you have officially got saddle sores.  if no and your "saddle" is just "sore" as bear suggests, then....ride more and you may be rewarded with one.  (ha ha ha)

anyway, I got my first saddle sores (yes, one on each cheek) this season after a 120 mile ride on saturday (open, bleeding, round sores...OUCH) and then had to ride 5 hours on them the very next day.  This I DON'T recommend by the way. 

what I found is changing to less padding in my shorts (switched from pearl izumis to oomph shorts) and changed from a gel saddle to www.saddleco.com

Never had any trouble after the new combination and I've done several centuries since then including back to back rides of more than 100 miles each.

I HIGHLY recommend saddleco.com if it works for you.

I've learned the hard way that more cushion usually makes saddle sores easier to be created.  Something I learned for our good friend chris (coredump) as well as my coach.  thanks chris and brett!!

2005-09-26 8:37 PM
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Jacie...meet Haley and Janelle. Halley and Janelle...Jacie.

xbumblebeex - 2005-09-26 11:13 AM My last bike ride left me with my first ever saddle sore. In one way I feel like I'm officially joining the ranks of cyclists! yay! On the other hand I've decided that this is something I'd rather not experience ever again. So, my lovely, helpful BTers, how can I avoid this in the future? (And yes, I wear cycling shorts. Yes, they fit. No, I do not wear skivvies with the cycling shorts. Yes, I had a confident, experienced, tri-specific fitter fit my bike and I trust it.)

2005-09-26 10:37 PM
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Jacie:

I use Bag Balm.  It's cheap and seems to work well for me.  For the sore itself, try Burt's ResQ. I also find less padding in the cycling short is better.  I would also check the bike fit.

I assume your bike and saddle are fairly new, so there shouldn't be any breakdown of the saddle. I got my sore when my saddle was starting to wear out.
2005-09-27 4:20 AM
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Subject: RE: Saddle sores
Can you describe your saddle sore? Like my reply to the road rash question, saddle sores are graded by the thickness of skin affected. A saddle sore is different from a sore butt due to your saddle. Saddle sore imples damage to the skin, usually due to prolonged compromise of circulation to the area resulting in skin breakdown and necrosis. Aside from teh great advice already mentioned, standing to pedal, even just for 10-15 seconds every 5-10 minutes will help blood flow return to the area briefly and improve things down there in many ways.

Sores can also be caused from pure friction, like blisters in hiking boots. In this case, lots of lubricant will help.

Gel saddles cause the extra gel stuff to "bunch up" in the perineal canal, that space between your "sit bones" where important blood vessels and nerves flow, and result in more discomfort as folks have mentioned. Personally, I use a firm mens saddle, because the "cushy" womens saddles put way to much pressure directly on my ischial tuberosities (sit bones) instead of distributing the pressure over a larger area.

Blah, blah, blah...time for bed.


2005-09-27 10:41 AM
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Subject: RE: Saddle sores
  • Ride Ride Ride! Get out there and toughen up your A$$! Increase your volume in increments and your butt will take care of itself, given the correct bicycle fit and saddle.
  • Get yourself some Pearl Izumi Ultrasensor or Microsensor Shorts. They are expensive, but worth EVERY penny. They are wonderful. You will see an immediate comfort improvement.
  • Tweak your saddle. Maybe down... even a cm... will make an enormous difference.
  • Make sure your handlebar stem isn't too short. Leaning forward can put strange pressure on delicate places.
  • If all else fails... read Dave Zabriskie's account of how to handle... below....


MAIN-TAINT-ANCE

An often overlooked part of being a healthy and fast cyclist is the taint. The taint is the part of your body that contacts your saddle. I believe the name was derived from the taint not being the parts that are well know by name: as in it taint that and it sure taint those! If you can’t comfortably sit on the saddle you taint gonna be able to ride your bike very far. This can negativly effect training and racing, so one must keep this area well main-taint-ed. There are three simple concepts to accept and follow: Cleanliness, Lubrication and Dryness. Trust me all of this was learned by experience! Here are the steps to follow:

Begin with a clean taint and chamois (if you are a hairy beast like me you may want to shave the area—USE CAUTION!)
Generously apply chamois cream
Ride, Train, Do what you do
Dismount bike (Follow the next steps immediately and without fail)
i. Remove chamois
ii. Shower
iii. Use a truly antibacterial soap like Hibiclens
Exit Shower
i. Dry taint with towel
ii. Dry taint with air
1. Either remain naked while making your after ride meal or use hair dryer
2. Antique yourself ala Jackass with a handful of Baby Powder

Why do we do this?

The chamois cream, helps reduce chafing that occurs while riding. There are a number of products out there and here are a few that I know work well:
Noxema
Butt Butter
Bag Balm
Assos Chamois cream
Sixtufit

Try them to determine what works best for you. Often when things are getting a bit raw I mix a few to exploit the full potential of each. Do yourself and your training partners a favor by not using too much. I have been known to have a little seep out of my shorts and it never fails to gain the attention of those behind me. Make sure your chamois is in good shape. Don’t use one that is old and worn out. After the ride get out of your shorts ASAP, you don’t wanna start growing mushrooms down there. Get into the shower and wash up, if you are having “problems” use Hibiclens, it is a surgical scrub and very powerful. I take it to races because each hotel has different soaps and who knows which could cause an irritation. After the shower make sure the area is dry either walk around naked for a while and let it air out or use a hairdryer. The final dose of goodness comes from a little shot of baby powder to the taint. By following these steps you should be main-taint-ing fairly well. If you are experiencing some saddle sores sometimes the only way to get rid of them is to stop riding for a couple of days. If it’s really bad you might have to see a doctor. I am sort of an expert so if you want you can send pictures and I’ll give you my opinion on the best way to proceed. PLEASE DON'T!

Oh yeah one more thing I think that can help is to shave all of that “bum fluff” down. It can be tricky, use electric clippers and be careful, I recommend a mirror.

2005-09-28 5:35 PM
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Subject: RE: Saddle sores
Assos chamois cream works good for me (:
2005-09-29 8:29 PM
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Subject: RE: Saddle sores
Over here in Philippines we don't have bum butter, etc. Gawd! Just thinking about buttering one's butt!

We use vaseline, which works pretty well I believe. I got my first ever 'saddle sores' during a 90 km ride on a borrowed bike two week ago. The second 90 km ride last week still resulted in soreness, but not sores! And I still couldn't find my vaseline.... this coming weekend will use the vaseline (all my hairy male buddies swear by it), and for my race following weekend VASELINE (LUBRICATE) shall be it.

Am also going to change back to my old seat on the borrowed bike. Never got sore on that seat, despite the mileage.....

The seat makes a difference. And there are many different seats out there.... but maybe only one for you,..

Sally
2005-09-29 8:39 PM
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super_sally888 - 2005-09-29 7:29 PM Over here in Philippines we don't have bum butter, etc. Gawd! Just thinking about buttering one's butt!

HA HA HA.  that's hilarious.

You don't butter your butt, you put it on the short's padding.

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