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2005-10-02 10:26 PM

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Subject: Bar End Shifters
I just completed my second season of triathlons. I constantly look at ways to improve my equipment. This year included the addition of aero-bars. I have been debating about 2 things:

1) do I go ahead and move from the index shifters to bar end shifters on the aero bars?
2) do I switch from typical road handle bars to the TT configuration "bull horn" handle bars?

I appreciate thoughts either for or against either one of these changes. This would be major changes to the bike that I use for both racing and training in a group setting.


2005-10-02 10:53 PM
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Subject: RE: Bar End Shifters
YES to both (do them together). and congrats!
2005-10-03 12:43 AM
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Subject: RE: Bar End Shifters
Is Iowa flat? If so, then it's a good move. If you ride lots of hills as I do, then it is not so good. You'll find that you will be in the wrong gear far to often if you live in a hilly area.
2005-10-03 8:39 AM
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I'm going to disagree with Chucky. I live in Austin, which while not mountainous, does have a lot of rolling hills. I've got bull horns with bar end shifters and I don't find myself in the wrong gear. Why would you? The only reason you'd be stuck in the wrong gear is if you aren't on the bars. If you aren't on the bars, then why have them? The only time I come out of my bars are when I'm already in my lowest gear and going so slowly that the loss of the aero position won't have an effect.
2005-10-03 9:23 AM
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What kind of bike do you have? If you have a road bike with aero bars on it (sounds likely) I would not change anything with the front end. 

What would you be gaining by making this change? The ability to shift while on the aerobars. Maybe you'd lose a little weight on the bike. That's about it as a practical matter. Some retro-grouch types argue that you gain the ability to shift in friction mode with the bar-cons, but I don't know that this is of any practical importance to a triathlete.I have barcons on my cyclocross/winter frankenbike, and I really like them, so I am not anti-barend.

What would you be losing? A couple of hand positions from the drop bars. You will lose the "push-button" shifting of the STI system (I'm assuming you have shimano). It's also possible your fit will be a little worse than before. Then there's the cost of the conversion. Additionlly, you mention group rides, and fair or not many folks look askance on riding a paceline with someone with a full-on TT/Tri front end.

If you make the switch you won't be any more aero than you are now. If that's you in your avatar pic, you look to be in a pretty typical "road bike with clip-ons" position. You might be able to tweak your position by playing with stem lenght and height, but the reality is that the frame is going to define the limits of your position, not the bars. I say spend the money on the engine.

2005-10-03 11:05 AM
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Subject: RE: Bar End Shifters
dgunthert - 2005-10-03 5:39 AM

I'm going to disagree with Chucky. I live in Austin, which while not mountainous, does have a lot of rolling hills. I've got bull horns with bar end shifters and I don't find myself in the wrong gear. Why would you? The only reason you'd be stuck in the wrong gear is if you aren't on the bars. If you aren't on the bars, then why have them? The only time I come out of my bars are when I'm already in my lowest gear and going so slowly that the loss of the aero position won't have an effect.


You are aero while climbing?



2005-10-03 1:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Bar End Shifters

Aero position has minimal advantage under 18mph and virtually none under 15mph.  If I can maintain 15-18mph then I certainly don't consider it a hill...unless I'm going down it

ChuckyFinster - 2005-10-03 12:05 PM  You are aero while climbing?

2005-10-03 2:15 PM
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Okay, I have to disagree with THAT statement...There are many days here in Texas when I am going 10mph pedaling directly into a huge headwind...if I sit up, it gets harder.  You can get an advantage in aero under 15mph.

To answer the original question...I love my bar end shifters and the bullhorns.  You can quickly get used to climbing a hill in the bullhorns and reaching over to shift.  At the same time, you can also get used to being in clipons and reaching to your bike handlebars to shift too.  Go ride some tri bikes at the LBS.  I do find the bullhorns more comfortable than traditional brake hoods...not sure why.

TH3_FRB - 2005-10-03 12:57 PM

Aero position has minimal advantage under 18mph and virtually none under 15mph.  If I can maintain 15-18mph then I certainly don't consider it a hill...unless I'm going down it

ChuckyFinster - 2005-10-03 12:05 PM  You are aero while climbing?

2005-10-03 2:47 PM
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Well, you're twisting what I said (or at least the intent) a bit there.  Riding 10mph into a 15mph head wind would be analogous to riding 25mph with no wind.  So, technically it's not your ground speed that is important but your "air" speed taking head winds into account. 

jldicarlo - 2005-10-03 3:15 PM

Okay, I have to disagree with THAT statement...There are many days here in Texas when I am going 10mph pedaling directly into a huge headwind...if I sit up, it gets harder.  You can get an advantage in aero under 15mph.

To answer the original question...I love my bar end shifters and the bullhorns.  You can quickly get used to climbing a hill in the bullhorns and reaching over to shift.  At the same time, you can also get used to being in clipons and reaching to your bike handlebars to shift too.  Go ride some tri bikes at the LBS.  I do find the bullhorns more comfortable than traditional brake hoods...not sure why.

TH3_FRB - 2005-10-03 12:57 PM

Aero position has minimal advantage under 18mph and virtually none under 15mph.  If I can maintain 15-18mph then I certainly don't consider it a hill...unless I'm going down it

ChuckyFinster - 2005-10-03 12:05 PM  You are aero while climbing?

2005-10-03 3:46 PM
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Subject: RE: Bar End Shifters

Did I just read airspeed? Speaking of speed man, now we're flying!!!

Just kidding, but you knew that I'm sure

2005-10-03 8:29 PM
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Subject: RE: Bar End Shifters
Can't say much about TT bars, but moved my shifters from the down tube to the end of the add on aerobars and LOVE IT!!! No more having to reach down to shift and risk swerving into traffic like the first time I rode with aerobars and shifters on the down tube. Move'em to the front!!!!


2005-10-03 8:40 PM
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Subject: RE: Bar End Shifters

My experience, in addition to all of the other stuff said is this.

I found that I am always in the gear that i need to be in to keep my cadence up because i can pop through my gears easier with the shifters on the bar ends. no mooving to the hoods to shift, just low and aero and stable.

yes, climbing sucks a bit, but it can be done.

i won't go away from bar end shifters anytime soon.........

2005-10-03 9:21 PM
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Subject: RE: Bar End Shifters
Well next time SAY that you mean relative velocity....
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