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Condoms and Art - Over the line?
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2006-01-13 10:33 AM

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Subject: Condoms and Art - Over the line?
Planned Parenthood of Connecticut has launched a new campaign featuring keychain condom holders with various images and sayings on them.

One of them shows Michelangelo's The Creation of Man, with God holding a condom.

Do you think this is over the line? I do think it is, and perhaps I'm in the minority, but I'd like to know what you think.

'Course, it's hard to tell if God is handing the condom to Adam or taking it away.


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2006-01-13 10:45 AM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?
interesting too is the 'creation of man' image of passing condoms between 2 men when it's prety much proven that 2 men cant 'create'.

not that there is anything wrong with that, just sayin'
2006-01-13 10:54 AM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?

I think it's in poor taste, but if everything I thought was in poor taste wasn't allowed to be produced the world would be a pretty boring place. 

There also wouldn't be much to watch on TV.

2006-01-13 10:56 AM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?

In order to answer this, I think a definition of "the line" is in order.

2006-01-13 10:58 AM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?
i think it's hilarious. It's just a painting, grow up people
2006-01-13 11:02 AM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?
No, I do not think its over the line. Although its only on a keychain, and it seems a strech to call a keychain art, it does convey a message which challenges values. When a line as to how far values can be challenged is drawn we undermine one of the most important functions of art.


2006-01-13 11:17 AM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?
marmadaddy - 2006-01-13 11:56 AM

In order to answer this, I think a definition of "the line" is in order.



tsmith - When a line as to how far values can be challenged is drawn we undermine one of the most important functions of art


Both good points!

I think there is probably more than one line.

1. It' important to remember that we are talking about the commercial use of this image. I think it's valid to appropriate images in works of art that serve as political and social commentary. But in this case, the purpose seems to be to sell condoms.

2. The Creation of Man, is arguably one of the greatest works of art ever produced. That's the reason it has become such an icon. It speaks to the inner question of who we are in a profound way. Even if you don't agree with what it is saying, it seems rather sordid to reduce it down to a joke. Just because, in the post-modern world, everything can be reduced to a joke doesn't mean that it ought to be.

3. This painting belongs to the world, but is held in trust by a particular religious organization. This organization has over one billion members. This organization also happens to teach that contraception and condom use is wrong. The Creation of Man is painted onto the ceiling of a chapel where, among other things, the earthly head of this organization is chosen.


Edited by dontracy 2006-01-13 11:19 AM
2006-01-13 11:20 AM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?
Art is used for commercial purposes all the time. I doesn't bother me.


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2006-01-13 11:21 AM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?

I like it. Clever message.

It seems to me the purpose is to encourage people to be responsible with their reproductive system. It's not like the Condom Industry is selling the keychains.

Planned Parenthood is bashed when they perform abortions and bashed when they encourage humans to prevent abortions by using condoms. If more people used condoms, there would be fewer abortions. There would also be fewer cases of HIV infection.



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2006-01-13 11:32 AM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?

I'm sorry but art, condoms, and warm ocean water all terrorize me.

A more appropriate condom pic would be me handing one to __________.

(fill in the blank.)

But yes Don that's a little over the line. Like by one toke. OK stop it already.

2006-01-13 11:40 AM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?
gullahcracker -

Like by one toke. OK stop it already.



Now I'm not going to be able to get that song outta me head. (hopin' the trains on time)

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Yes, the condom industry is selling condoms and keychains by using this image.

Which brings up the whole issue of copyright and intellectual property. I imagine that PP of CT will be getting a cease and desist letter in the not too distant future.

One line that this crosses is the fair use issue of intellectual property. Commercial use does not constitute fair use.

If PP of CT wants to use a great image to sell condoms, they should hire someone to go paint their own masterpiece.


Edited by dontracy 2006-01-13 11:40 AM


2006-01-13 11:43 AM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?

Who owns the image? Isn't the artist  dead? Who's an expert in copyright law, cause I thought that after a certain number of years after an artist dies, his work is available unrestricted for public use.

 

dontracy - 2006-01-13 12:40 PM

Which brings up the whole issue of copyright and intellectual property. I imagine that PP of CT will be getting a cease and desist letter in the not too distant future.

One line that this crosses is the fair use issue of intellectual property. Commercial use does not constitute fair use.

If PP of CT wants to use a great image to sell condoms, they should hire someone to go paint their own masterpiece.

2006-01-13 11:43 AM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?

I think I misspoke when I said I think it's in poor taste.  More accurately, I think it's pointless.  The purpose of this 'art' is to get people to want the keychains, isn't it?  (if it's not then ignore the rest of this).  I don't get what the art used does to help "sell" the keychains.  I'm all in favor of lampooning or adopting great works of art for modern purposes, but I prefer it when it makes sense.  Unless they are targeting homosexual men.  If that's the purpose then maybe it is a good strategy, I don't know.

Now IMHO if they wanted to put great historical art on a condom keychain, it should be the Farrah Fawcett poster.  It would be a lot easier to hold in one hand, too.  If you're a guy over 35 don't even try to claim you don't know what I'm talking about.

2006-01-13 11:47 AM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?

Hangloose, so are you suggesting they encourage spilling one's seed instead of fornication, thereby circumventing the need for condoms?

2006-01-13 11:56 AM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?
run4yrlif -

Who owns the image?

 



I believe that SONY paid for the restoration of the Sistin Chapel several few years ago. And I believe that in trade for that they retain the rights to commercial use of the images in the Chapel for a period of time.

These images are not in the public domain.

So if PPofCT gets sued over this, it may possibly be by SONY.

Not positive about this, but I think it's right.



Edited by dontracy 2006-01-13 11:58 AM
2006-01-13 11:57 AM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?

Wait a second...who said the keychain was art? It's just a clever image used to get a message across.

It's no more art that a "Hang Loose" trucker hat is. 

 

hangloose - 2006-01-13 12:43 PM

The purpose of this 'art' is to get people to want the keychains, isn't it?



2006-01-13 11:58 AM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?
I think it is appropriate to juxtapose an societal issue (STDs, unwanted pregnancies) with religious imagery, given that these issues and their resolution (ok, mitigation) are controversial mainly due to strong opposition from religious groups.

I somehow think the keychain is not to sell condoms, as much as it is intended to sell the idea of condom use to the public. I like to think the image has God saying, "Please, use condoms, because you're only human and you make mistakes."
2006-01-13 11:59 AM
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Huh...I didn't know that. But still...SONY owning it for commercial use. Interesting.

Guess it's OK if it's used to sell a VAIO. 

 

dontracy - 2006-01-13 12:56 PM
run4yrlif -

Who owns the image?

 



I believe that SONY paid for the restoration of the Sisting Chapel several few years ago. And I believe that in trade for that they retain the rights to commercial use of the images in the Chapel.

These images are not in the public domain.

So if PPofCT gets sued over this, it may possibly be by SONY.

Not positive about this, but I think it's right.

2006-01-13 11:59 AM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?
run4yrlif - 2006-01-13 11:57 AM

Wait a second...who said the keychain was art? It's just a clever image used to get a message across.

It's no more art that a "Hang Loose" trucker hat is. 

 

hangloose - 2006-01-13 12:43 PM

The purpose of this 'art' is to get people to want the keychains, isn't it?

That's why I put 'art' in quotes like that.  Hey, was that a cheap shot at my screen name?

2006-01-13 12:01 PM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?
run4yrlif - 

Wait a second...who said the keychain was art?

 


I shoulda been more precise in the title of this thread.  I meant the word art to refer to the image, not to the keychain.


2006-01-13 12:03 PM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?
run4yrlif - 2006-01-13 12:59 PM

Guess it's OK if it's used to sell a VAIO.

 


Well, I don't think SONY owns it, they just have the rights to it. Big difference. At the end of the contract the rights would go back to the Vatican.

And I'm sure that there are stipulations about how the images can be used by SONY.

Again, I don't know the details of this.  Just remembering something I read.




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2006-01-13 12:04 PM
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OK...so this is funny. No. Actually it wasn't. Or at least not consciously. That's pretty freaky. When I responded, I didn't even look at your SN.

OK...now I'm gonna go hide in the closet. 

(no comments from you, Possum

 

hangloose - 2006-01-13 12:59 PM

Hey, was that a cheap shot at my screen name?

2006-01-13 12:14 PM
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Subject: RE: Condoms and Art - Over the line?

Jim,

It gets even funnier and you don't know.  I own a trucking company.  I'm not kidding.  Family business since 1901.

www.jfmartin.com

You can stay in the closet all you want (ba dum dum) but don't hide on account of this, I think it's hilarious.

2006-01-13 12:17 PM
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Art from this period, like the Mona Lisa, is in the public domain.  That's why you've seen it on mugs, t shirts, etc.  Painting itself is owned by someone, but its reproduction is not copyright protected.

There are many lines here.  Is it because it's Da Vinci?  Is it because it is a religious painting? Is it because you are against contraception?  Is it because you are against the messenger?  Would Mona Lisa holding a Coke be bad?  Is it becuase it's god in the painting (which, in itself, isn't that presumptuous to paint the face of god?)?  Is it because there may be some gay message?

Not to judge your response, Don, since I am not in your shoes, but these days, you can find someone to be offended by just about anything.  I would bet there's a PP person somewhere right now offended that religion is being used to convey their message....



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2006-01-13 12:22 PM
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Holy crap. 

 

hangloose - 2006-01-13 1:14 PM

Jim,

It gets even funnier and you don't know. I own a trucking company. I'm not kidding. Family business since 1901.

www.jfmartin.com

You can stay in the closet all you want (ba dum dum) but don't hide on account of this, I think it's hilarious.

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