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2006-03-15 9:42 AM

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molto veloce mama
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Subject: worth joining a masters group?
as some of you know from my b****ing and moaning about it, the indoor community pool i swam at for the past two years closed recently. it is being torn down to be replaced by a brand new aquatics center. this is wonderful in the long run, but threw a wrench into my swim training for this season.

i started swimming at hamline university a couple times a week, but the lap swim is from 7-8 MWF. i have to be HOME by 8 to get ella off to school. this has meant that at best, i can only get in a 30 minute swim twice a week (monday is usually my rest day).

right before the lap swim, there is a masters group. i just got more information about it, and it is open to anyone. its $45 a month, no matter how many times you go a week (they have pratice MWF from 6-7, and TTh from 5:30-7). if i joined, i would be able to get in a longer swim and would have more time in the mornings to see ella before school. from what i've seen the coaches are nice...and the folks swimming are friendly enough.

the downside...if i only swim twice a week, it would be $5+ a session (i'm used to paying $2-$3), i'd have to get up a 5am (i know, cry me a river), AND i'm a little nervous about it since i've never swum with a masters group before. having watched them swim while waiting for lap swim to start, i know i'm a faster swimmer than some, but the guys doing the butterfly make me nervous .

anyway, i'd love some thoughts from those who work with a masters group. did it make a difference in your swim?


2006-03-15 9:49 AM
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Subject: RE: worth joining a masters group?

I've been a swimmer my whole life, but since I've been a triathlete, I've alternated swimming on my own and with different Masters groups. Here's what I'v noticed: when I swim by myself, I can tailor the workouts exactly to my needs. Now while that sounds all fine and dandy, the corollary is that I *always* swim faster, and get better results with a group.

When I swim by myself, I can swim my own pace, but I find that I rarely push myself, especially on long, monotonous sets. But when I'm with a group, I elevate my game. I'm in a lane with two or three other swimmers of about equal ability and that provides a little competition, which benefits all of us.

Now if you happen to get a good coach that spends time with you working on technique, it's a bonus. 

Another benefit is actually looking forward to going to the pool, instead of dreading it when I'm on my own. 

 

2006-03-15 9:55 AM
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molto veloce mama
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that makes sense. this morning when i knew the masters were still hanging out on the deck, i swam 1:38 100s for my warm up, but after they left i dropped to 1:50s for my main set!



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2006-03-15 10:25 AM
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Subject: RE: worth joining a masters group?

Autumn you're already fast.  I am a slower swimmer and am in the medium lane at my masters class.

I tend to push myself much more in the group and it is way more pleasant swimming with others than just getting throught it by yourself. The coaching is great too.

That is still a great price even if you only swim 2 times per week.  I end up paying about $7 per class.

2006-03-15 10:37 AM
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Go for it, Autumn. Having someone else to push you and your ego is a good thing.
2006-03-15 10:55 AM
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I think a season of masters swim training is an excellent choice for anyone. It will teach you the proper technique you need to increase your speed and lower the amount of energy you spend which will make you go faster throughout the entire race!

It is also motivation to really focus on swimming if you have been dogging it on the swim training.

Good Luck!



2006-03-15 11:12 AM
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Subject: RE: worth joining a masters group?

I love my master's swim class, great cameraderie, great coaching, great motivation...  And 45 a month is a good deal!

It made a HUGE difference in my swim, challenging me to try new things, work on breath control (which I thought I was good at, but not even close!) and more intense speedwork than I could do on my own. ALso, my coach is GREAT, and has helped me tremendously 

2006-03-15 12:49 PM
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Subject: RE: worth joining a masters group?
To me, masters swim is worth $45 per month. Can you go to any of the Tuesday and Thursday practices?
2006-03-15 1:47 PM
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Subject: RE: worth joining a masters group?
Autumn, joining a masters swim team is very good idea.  No only will you be able to swim longer but you will have a coach who can fine tune your stroke technique and suggest a good triathlon related swim training schedule.  As for the price, it seems more than reasonable to me.  It is double that at my university, quadrupal if I were not a student!
2006-03-15 7:04 PM
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Subject: RE: worth joining a masters group?
Try it Autumn. You're already swimming pretty well but I'm sure their coaches will have a few suggestions. You will get the swim oppertunities AND the coaching for your extra cash spent so it really works out to a good deal. If it's not working out for you, you can always quit and find another alternative but at least then you will know what's available from masters.
2006-03-15 8:44 PM
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Subject: RE: worth joining a masters group?
I love my masters class.  I actually do the workouts my tri coach gives me during class, but the masters coach gives me feed back on my stroke etc.  I'm the only woman in the class and its no big deal.  You will proba;y be faster than many of the men.  My class is super early but its worth it....you will get the workout done. 


2006-03-15 11:51 PM
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I thought I could swim before I started masters.  But, I found I had a lot to learn and with the support and instruction of a coach and the group my swimming is getting better.

Go for it

2006-03-16 4:42 AM
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Highly recommend masters swimming as well. The advice regarding my stroke more than makes up for the small cost. And the fact that I paid for it and that my coach will tease me if I skip the workout without a good excuse means that I am more likely to actually get that workout in.
2006-03-16 6:17 AM
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Subject: RE: worth joining a masters group?

I occasionally will work out with one of the local master's clubs and have picked up some very good advice on my freestyle technique.  I don't do it full time because the club is very competition-oriented their workouts.  The shorter intervals are good for raw speed, but I also like to do sets with longer intervals - 400yds and longer. 

 

2006-03-16 8:12 AM
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Go for the master's swim.  It will be worth the extra cost.  What I like the most about master's swim is the instruction on form.  When I started master's in January, the coach immediately started correcting my kick.  I was kicking with my feet too far apart.  She got that corrected.  Then she worked on my habit of not following through on my stroke.  Etc. Etc.

TJ

2006-03-16 8:48 AM
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molto veloce mama
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Subject: RE: worth joining a masters group?
that would be another benefit - instead of being limited to MWF, i could go any day of the week. they even have a saturday workout!


2006-03-16 8:49 AM
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molto veloce mama
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boy, not one word against! okay, i'm going to do it for a month and see how it goes.
2006-03-16 8:54 AM
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Subject: RE: worth joining a masters group?
I'm going Friday morning to see what the master's program is all about. (to see if I can keep up) I'm really looking forward to joining.

Possum, where do you swim, E. High School? If so, I'll see you Friday morning. I think I have some more work to do before I can even THINK about joining.

2006-03-16 8:57 AM
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Subject: RE: worth joining a masters group?
no, I swim at UW Health/Sports Med. It's pricey, but it's way closer to my house than E High. ( i live near Gammon Rd exit)  But we could meet and run our own little classes at Princeton CLub!
2006-03-16 10:00 AM
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Subject: RE: worth joining a masters group?
I gather that the masters groups vary from place to place. Some are very competition oriented and others are geared more towards recreational swimmers. My local group even posts an alternate workout for tri swimmers sometimes, in addition to the workouts they regularly post.

The local group's regular program includes instruction in the four competition strokes: breaststroke, backstroke, butterfly, and front crawl. Though it's not purely tri focused, I don't mind learning or improving on the other strokes. I figure they all help my feel for the water and are a form of cross-training.

Our coaches do seem to put emphasis on the front crawl and longer sets for those that want it, but that might not be universal. That would be the only down-side to a masters program that I can see. If you want to concentrate on front crawl only, for tri's, their programs might not be the most efficient use of your swim time. Talk to the masters coaches about what you would like and what they offer.

Edited by Micawber 2006-03-16 10:11 AM
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