Minutes plan translates to Mileage - RUN plan
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2012-01-09 12:03 AM |
Master 1539 Sin City | Subject: Minutes plan translates to Mileage - RUN plan I have a kind of simple question for those who have used the BT plans, specifically for HIM plans. I'm not worried about Swim or Bike plan - easily done. Run plan - is where I need a little clarification. I'm not speedy, so for an hour of running, I can finish about 5 miles. For someone else, it will be about 7 to 8 miles or perhaps a little more. Since it's not mileage based plan (for any run that does not have speedwork/hill repeats), do I follow the minutes or do I add another 10 to 15 minutes due to my slower avg speed? Looking at the Silver plan, it looks like I'll never have any runs that are more than 9 miles...and most frequently in the 4-6 miles range. That kind of makes me scratch my head on how I can finish a half-marathon. So I figured that if I try to "pretend" that an avg person does 7 miles in an hr. I would do about 1-2 miles more if the plan calls to run for an hour that way I can still maintain the mileage of an average person using this plan (again I'm assuming). Hope that make sense. :-) I am not going to follow the plan to the T, just as a good guideline. I most likely will add another easy run a week (maybe 1-2 miles - less than 25 minutes on any easy days), since that's my weakest sport. Thanks! |
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2012-01-09 4:00 AM in reply to: #3979023 |
New user 2 Edinburgh | Subject: RE: Minutes plan translates to Mileage - RUN plan I am pretty sure you don't do overdistance for long events like a half marathon. The runners I train with have said that it's a good idea to plod for the amount of time you expect to take for the race -albeit much slower than race pace - to prepare your body for keeping going that long. I did a half last year and never ran more than 10miles in training, mostly quickish sixes. Not saying that is optimal, just that it worked for me. Good luck! |
2012-01-09 6:21 AM in reply to: #3979064 |
Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Minutes plan translates to Mileage - RUN plan NiallD - 2012-01-09 5:00 AM I am pretty sure you don't do overdistance for long events like a half marathon. For a marathon, one doesn't typically do over-distance runs in training. For a half, yes, most certainly. To OP: while you certainly can finish a half having done long runs of 9 miles, if I were you I would in fact increase the times a bit. (I know this is an unpopular answer here on BT, but I'm just being honest -- it's what I would do.) I wouldn't run more than 2 hours, though. |
2012-01-09 9:36 AM in reply to: #3979023 |
Veteran 253 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Minutes plan translates to Mileage - RUN plan Whenever I've trained for a half marathon I've always done several long runs over 13.1, usually a 14, 15, and 16. Training for my first HIM, I'll do the same. Granted I'm a runner, but I also think its whatever helps you mentally. For me, I take comfort in knowing I've already done it and then some, but is it necessary? No. If I had to choose, I'd add a little to each of your already planned runs instead of adding another run day, it will get your mileage up per run and closer to the 13.1 you'll have to do. |
2012-01-09 9:49 AM in reply to: #3979111 |
Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Minutes plan translates to Mileage - RUN plan Experior - 2012-01-09 6:21 AM To OP: while you certainly can finish a half having done long runs of 9 miles, if I were you I would in fact increase the times a bit. (I know this is an unpopular answer here on BT, but I'm just being honest -- it's what I would do.) I wouldn't run more than 2 hours, though. I think it becomes more 'unpopular' in the IM distance, but I agree - I've personally put in more run time because like the OP my run times are slower than average. When you follow a non-individualized plan, things like your specific abilities/pace should be taken into consideration and tweaked as necessary.
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2012-01-09 10:30 AM in reply to: #3979023 |
Pro 6191 | Subject: RE: Minutes plan translates to Mileage - RUN plan My longest HIM training run was 11 miles in 2:06. We're close to the same pace I had a stellar HIM run, mostly due to a conservative pace on the bike. I was among the first out of the water, and I had to try REALLY hard not to keep up with people on the bike. I'm not a great biker. I ran the 13.1 on race day in 2:07. I used BT's oly to HIM bridge plan and it worked well for me. |
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2012-01-09 11:48 AM in reply to: #3979694 |
Master 1539 Sin City | Subject: RE: Minutes plan translates to Mileage - RUN plan ratherbeswimming - 2012-01-09 8:30 AM My longest HIM training run was 11 miles in 2:06. We're close to the same pace I had a stellar HIM run, mostly due to a conservative pace on the bike. I was among the first out of the water, and I had to try REALLY hard not to keep up with people on the bike. I'm not a great biker. I ran the 13.1 on race day in 2:07. I used BT's oly to HIM bridge plan and it worked well for me. I'm NO where close to your pace. I'm at 11ish pace, and hoping to get 10:xx pace. I mentioned 8-9ish pace because that's the average pace I notice. Not my pace. Thanks, I probably will just add 10-15 minutes after longer runs as I get closer to the HIM. I've done 2 HM - one with longest run at 8 mil, and the second longest run at 10, and they both took me over 2 hours. Thank you LisaC - that's what I thought. This is the first time that I'm following and tweaking my own plan instead of a coach, hence why I wanted to ask the BT folks to see if it's a good idea. When I did my first Olympic (had a coach at the time), I felt like I was grossly undertrained for the run, and I wished I had more time running or even going more than 6 miles.
I'm not going to go crazy and add another 20-30 minutes to my long runs...that's just...crazy. :-P |
2012-01-09 12:11 PM in reply to: #3979878 |
Pro 6191 | Subject: RE: Minutes plan translates to Mileage - RUN plan CyborgQueen - 2012-01-09 12:48 PM ratherbeswimming - 2012-01-09 8:30 AM My longest HIM training run was 11 miles in 2:06. We're close to the same pace I'm NO where close to your pace. I'm at 11ish pace, and hoping to get 10:xx pace. I mentioned 8-9ish pace because that's the average pace I notice. Not my pace. 11 miles in 2:06 is an 11:27 pace. So, yup, that's pretty close... |
2012-01-09 1:00 PM in reply to: #3979023 |
Expert 2555 Colorado Springs, Colorado | Subject: RE: Minutes plan translates to Mileage - RUN plan I think it's wise to add in extra time if a person is slower. Generic plans based on time can't account for people who are slower. When my wife was training for her first marathon with a time based program, the time allowed for the longest run would have put it at about 15 miles. If she hadn't increased the time she would have been substantially undertrained. For a half I almost always have at least one over-distance long run. I also go over-distance on the bike and swim too for a HIM. |
2012-01-09 1:54 PM in reply to: #3980048 |
Lafayette, CO | Subject: RE: Minutes plan translates to Mileage - RUN plan Donskiman - 2012-01-09 12:00 PM I think it's wise to add in extra time if a person is slower. Generic plans based on time can't account for people who are slower. When my wife was training for her first marathon with a time based program, the time allowed for the longest run would have put it at about 15 miles. If she hadn't increased the time she would have been substantially undertrained. For a half I almost always have at least one over-distance long run. I also go over-distance on the bike and swim too for a HIM. I also agree with adding time and going over distance for a HM. My plans are all distance based but my longest run was over 3 hours and 15 miles. Sure does increase your mental and physical ability to push yourself in miles 11-13 of a HM if you know you've got the distance taken care in training. |
2012-01-09 8:43 PM in reply to: #3979023 |
Subject: RE: Minutes plan translates to Mileage - RUN plan Another vote to add time. I raced my first HIM last summer which was also the first time I officially ran a HM. In training, my longest run was 12.5 miles. It was as much mental for me as anything. I have been running for fitness for 20 years but never gone much over 10 miles. I needed to face the dark side and the voices that tell me to quit in training. I also wanted to check my nutrition. Good luck with your training and stay healthy! |
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2012-01-10 12:18 AM in reply to: #3979939 |
Master 1539 Sin City | Subject: RE: Minutes plan translates to Mileage - RUN plan ratherbeswimming - 2012-01-09 10:11 AM CyborgQueen - 2012-01-09 12:48 PM ratherbeswimming - 2012-01-09 8:30 AM My longest HIM training run was 11 miles in 2:06. We're close to the same pace I'm NO where close to your pace. I'm at 11ish pace, and hoping to get 10:xx pace. I mentioned 8-9ish pace because that's the average pace I notice. Not my pace. 11 miles in 2:06 is an 11:27 pace. So, yup, that's pretty close...
MY BAD...I read your 13.1 in 2:07. Did not read the beginning sentence. LOL!! (Great job at Austin btw!!) |