How does a pool swim work?
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2012-02-06 8:33 AM |
Expert 2373 Floriduh | Subject: How does a pool swim work? For races that is. I have only done OWS in races, I just don't understand how you would get that many bodies doing 400-600 (or so) yards in a pool without major collisions and bloodshed. How is this done? |
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2012-02-06 8:46 AM in reply to: #4031348 |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: How does a pool swim work? Check how the race will be run. I've heard of several swimmers to a lane, and just circle until they're done. Someone watches to make sure all laps are completed. I've done a serpentine, which is basically a big s-curve through all the lanes. The one I do is down and back, move over, down and back, over, until getting to the last lane where we exit. Started someone off every 30 sec and you're required to let people by. Start position was by estimated swim time. |
2012-02-06 8:49 AM in reply to: #4031348 |
Extreme Veteran 458 | Subject: RE: How does a pool swim work? Oysterboy - 2012-02-06 8:33 AM For races that is. I have only done OWS in races, I just don't understand how you would get that many bodies doing 400-600 (or so) yards in a pool without major collisions and bloodshed. How is this done? Snake swim based on submitted [usually] 100 time. It's still a cluster fudge and a big mash up. Inevitably about 20% of the people put a 50 time and another 50% all put 2:00. I've had races where every single person in front of me put a screwed up time. That's why I don't do pool swim tris anymore. |
2012-02-06 8:50 AM in reply to: #4031348 |
Deep in the Heart of Texas | Subject: RE: How does a pool swim work? Most of the ones I have seen are as described above, although those have been mostly kids triathlons. Time trial start 3-4 seconds apart ordered supposedly fastest to slowest. Serpentine down the pool swimming under the lane lines. |
2012-02-06 8:51 AM in reply to: #4031348 |
Veteran 257 Texas | Subject: RE: How does a pool swim work? I did one last year. After everyone had their race bibs, the evens were lined up on one side of the pool and the odds on the other. Both lines came up to the mat at the same time and the time keeper signaled for them to jump in. Swimmers were started approx every 5-10 secs. After you jumped in, you swam to the end, went under the rope to change lanes and swam back. After touching the wall, you stayed in the same lane and swam to the other end, where you went under the rope again to change lanes. This continued (serpentine style) for the whole swim. To help us remember when to change lanes, the director said to change everytime we got to the far end of the pool. It actually went VERY smoothly. I was very impressed with how quickly all the participants got through the swim. |
2012-02-06 8:52 AM in reply to: #4031348 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: How does a pool swim work? I've personally participated in it done three different ways, and if yours isn't a general question, definitely check out the specific tri's website or e-mail the director to find out. 1) Serpentine, separated by seconds: there are lane lines, and each person starts several seconds behind the person in front of them. They tell you to stay to the right, so you theoretically can overtake people on the left and/or at walls. You swim up one lane, down the next to the left, etc. until done. 2) Several to a lane, circle swim, several different waves. This was a timed swim in which each lane had a (human) timer, and they would start several people in a lane, 5s apart. When everyone from one wave had gone off to transition, the next wave started. I have no idea how the timing all worked out, but I'm sure I could if I thought about it a while. 3) Swimming AROUND the pool (one big outside lane was marked off with buoys and lines so you couldn't cut) several times by AG. |
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2012-02-06 8:53 AM in reply to: #4031348 |
Master 2236 Denison Texas | Subject: RE: How does a pool swim work? Mostly just have pool swim tri's here, not very many convenient bodies of water for OWS. Usually it will be a tt start or serpentine start. Sometimes it is a mess, mostly just sort of boring standing in line for your turn to start. At one last year I was still 10 or 20 back to start when the first finisher crossed the finish line almost a full hour from the official start time. |
2012-02-06 8:58 AM in reply to: #4031348 |
Extreme Veteran 543 | Subject: RE: How does a pool swim work? I did a s-swim pool time, and you could count the number of people that got passed (at least for the first half til I got it) and it was 10 second intervals, everyone estimated there times pretty well |
2012-02-06 9:34 AM in reply to: #4031404 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: How does a pool swim work? H20 Killer - 2012-02-06 9:49 AM Oysterboy - 2012-02-06 8:33 AM For races that is. I have only done OWS in races, I just don't understand how you would get that many bodies doing 400-600 (or so) yards in a pool without major collisions and bloodshed. How is this done? Snake swim based on submitted [usually] 100 time. It's still a cluster fudge and a big mash up. Inevitably about 20% of the people put a 50 time and another 50% all put 2:00. I've had races where every single person in front of me put a screwed up time. That's why I don't do pool swim tris anymore. I'm surprised you've had that much trouble. You're fast enough that there shouldn't be that many people ahead of you. I'm not as fast as you, but I'm fast enough that I'm usually seeded close to the front, which eliminates most of the problems in a race that I do every spring. The biggest problems are usually back farther in the field. Maybe I've been lucky, and the one I do is well run, and you've been unlucky enough to be in ones that weren't. For the OP - They can also be done with time trial starts with 2 people to a lane. Whenever someone finishes, the next person in line crosses the timing mat to start their race time, then gets in the empty spot. Serpentine swims go much quicker. I've done some with time trial starts where I had to wait in line more than 2 hours to start. |
2012-02-06 9:40 AM in reply to: #4031348 |
Master 2538 Albuquerque | Subject: RE: How does a pool swim work? Another version that is left out is the reverse tri, where the swim is last. This naturally thins out the crowd throughout the race and the pool rarely gets TOO crowded. |
2012-02-06 9:48 AM in reply to: #4031348 |
Regular 181 San Luis Obispo | Subject: RE: How does a pool swim work? During our local triathlon, only two swimmers are allowed in a lane at the same time. They must bring their own lap counter person. The lanes are split so each swimmer stays in their half side - no circling. When the laps are completed, the swimmer exits and the next swimmer in line will start in that vacant lane. With 15 - 25 yard lanes available, 50 swimmers are going at a time. Each triathlete's race begins when that athlete starts their swim. The system works very well and efficiently. Have fun doing what ever you're doing today! |
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2012-02-06 10:06 AM in reply to: #4031526 |
Extreme Veteran 458 | Subject: RE: How does a pool swim work? TriMyBest - 2012-02-06 9:34 AM I'm surprised you've had that much trouble. You're fast enough that there shouldn't be that many people ahead of you. I'm not as fast as you, but I'm fast enough that I'm usually seeded close to the front, which eliminates most of the problems in a race that I do every spring. The biggest problems are usually back farther in the field. Maybe I've been lucky, and the one I do is well run, and you've been unlucky enough to be in ones that weren't. The races that have had this are incredibly well run and organized so that isn't the issue. The issue is that I usually put 10 seconds faster per 100 than I know I can go simply to get to the front. That should put me in the top 2 or 3. However, it tends to put me about 10th, where, inevitably, the 8 or 9 people in front of me spend 10 minutes telling me they put the wrong time ("hehe, oops"), but never bothered to change it so they don't have to wait for the race to start in the middle to back of the swim line. Then, to compound things they let open division go first so I end up crawling all over them, figuratively, not literally. One race I got to the fourth wall and there were three wall hangers and they wouldn't part for me to turn so I had to stop, say "excuse me" and then turn. That was my breaking point. |
2012-02-06 10:23 AM in reply to: #4031404 |
Master 2426 Central Indiana | Subject: RE: How does a pool swim work? H20 Killer - 2012-02-06 9:49 AM Oysterboy - 2012-02-06 8:33 AM For races that is. I have only done OWS in races, I just don't understand how you would get that many bodies doing 400-600 (or so) yards in a pool without major collisions and bloodshed. How is this done? Snake swim based on submitted [usually] 100 time. It's still a cluster fudge and a big mash up. Inevitably about 20% of the people put a 50 time and another 50% all put 2:00. I've had races where every single person in front of me put a screwed up time. That's why I don't do pool swim tris anymore. I'm starting to feel the same. Too bad 'cause my 1st tri was serpentine pool swim. But as I've gotten faster (er- less slow) the pool really can become a cluster. DW took a pic during one of my races where there were 23 (count 'em) 23 yellow swim caps backed up waiting to make a turn. That 400M swim was in 50M pool with 600+ athletes doing TT starts on only 5sec intervals. This caused more contact than any of my OWS's. |
2012-02-06 6:57 PM in reply to: #4031348 |
Extreme Veteran 1136 | Subject: RE: How does a pool swim work? The only pool swim tri I have done was a serpentine route through a 50m pool for a total of 400m. It seemed to go well, but there were still people just finishing the swim when I finished the bike. And that was with around 250 total competitors. |
2012-02-06 7:49 PM in reply to: #4031348 |
Veteran 283 | Subject: RE: How does a pool swim work? When I did a pool tri they had four people per lane. Two people started on each side of the lane (so there were people starting on each end of the pool). Then it was just circle swimming. Before your heat began, you and the person you were starting with decided who was faster and that person went first. Of course, there were many heats throughout the morning. |
2012-02-06 11:40 PM in reply to: #4032810 |
Extreme Veteran 680 Acworth, GA | Subject: RE: How does a pool swim work? I've done 3 pool swims that were all 4 people to a lane, circle swim, starting every 10 seconds. You estimated your 500 time to be "seeded" in the proper heat/lane but rarely that works out. So what do you do when you want to pass, because inevitably you will not be in a lane all swimming the same speed. Well the common courtesy was to tap the foot of the person in front, then wait til the next wall and hope they pull over to let you pass. If you get tapped, then pull over at the next wall. The RD's made it clear to not try to pass in the middle of the lane because circle swimming with people passing can be a little dicey and result in head on collisions. Luckily in all 3 events, before we started the others I shared lanes with talked through the passing/tapping the foot. Only in 1 event did 1 guy not like that idea so you ended up just dealing with it. Good luck. Edited by Mc Q 2012-02-06 11:41 PM |
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2012-02-06 11:53 PM in reply to: #4031348 |
Extreme Veteran 502 Washington | Subject: RE: How does a pool swim work? I did a pool swim with heats 20 minutes apart. the swim was 500 yards, counters provided by the local masters club. it sucked though cause I was in the last heat and there were 8 heats 3-4 per lane, circle swim.
it went pretty well, everyone in my lane seeded accurately, except the guy who swam 40 seconds faster than he anticipated |
2012-02-07 3:26 AM in reply to: #4031348 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: How does a pool swim work? The only pool swim tri I've done did waves every 15 or 20 mins. 1-2 people per lane. This was for a smallish race though (100 racers?) so even at that, it took quite a while to get everyone. |
2012-02-07 8:19 AM in reply to: #4031348 |
Veteran 520 Chicago | Subject: RE: How does a pool swim work? The only pool swim tri I've done has one person per lane. |