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Swim collision.. Who's at fault?
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 2012-02-08 8:03 AM |
Extreme Veteran  408  Spokane, Wa |  Subject: Swim collision.. Who's at fault?I showed up to the pool at 5:30 am the other day and pool was already pretty full. I meet with a group pretty regularly so I walked over to hop in a lane with them. As I'm walking over I see that there is a group of three women swimming laps in one lane and a guy swimming in a the one next to them by himself. I then see one of three women say something to her friends and she dives under the lane line and hops on the single swimmers guys feet as he pushes off the wall. She never said anything to him. He of course comes to the other end does his flip turn and pushes off the wall somewhere in the middle of the lane and runs directly into the lady. From there things got ridiculous. He is rightfully a little shocked to have run into somebody when he thought the lane was empty so he says something along the lines of "what the hell are you doing?". She starts to cry... He tells her she did wrong and he continues swimming while she proceeds to stand on pool deck icing her eye, giving the guy dirty looks, and telling everyone in the pool what an asswhole he is for running into her and not even saying sorry. She ended with a black eye, but I saw the guy in the locker room after he had big lump on his noggin. I could tell he felt bad. I think it's pretty clear that I think it was her fault. What do you guys think? |
| 2012-02-08 8:11 AM in reply to: #4035472 |
Regular 247 Waterloo | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? Definitely her fault in my opinion...if you jump in a lane without letting the person know, that's what you get. I've gotten a few lumps on the noggin myself from people jumpting in my lane without saying anything...it sucks. |
| 2012-02-08 8:12 AM in reply to: #4035472 |
Expert 1743  Glen Burnie, Maryland | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? Hers. You don't jump in a lane unless you're sure the other person/people know you are there. |
| 2012-02-08 8:13 AM in reply to: #4035472 |
Extreme Veteran 371 | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? Definitely her fault ... he could have handled it a bit better, however. |
| 2012-02-08 8:15 AM in reply to: #4035472 |
Elite 7783  PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? No question it's her fault. It's one of my big fears when I'm in a lane by myself. Anytime that is the case and I see that someone new is on the deck getting ready to swim, I am very wary of where they go. I'll even take a quick peek behind me as I swim sometimes if I can't figure out their plans. |
| 2012-02-08 8:16 AM in reply to: #4035472 |
Master 3205 ann arbor, michigan | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? He was in the right. She was in the wrong. I can understand his initial shock and reaction. Later, when he was less irritated it might have been good to extend an olive branch and help her understand why the collision happened. Could have been a productive teaching point where she would have learned about letting someone know before just hopping in the lane. Funny story (now). A couple weeks ago I got in to share a lane with a guy on a busy day at the pool. We were swimming different paces and very different workouts. When this happens I like to split the lane, you on one side of the black line, me on the other, instead of circle swimming. It always seems easier to me than repetitively passing or waiting at the ends, etc. I said to him, "can we just split the lane? You on that side, me over here?" he said, "yes." On my very first lap, as I am returning we crashed head-on into each other. Apparently what I said and what he heard were two very different things. We both apologized, patched things up and were able to finish our swims. |
| 2012-02-08 8:18 AM in reply to: #4035472 |
Extreme Veteran 503 Central Iowa | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? Her fault. His "what the hell are you doing" was understandable. Ideally, after he got the yelling out of his system, he'd calm down, apologize for swearing, and explain to her how she can avoid causing accidents in the future. |
| 2012-02-08 8:21 AM in reply to: #4035472 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? I swim at a college pool and they would have pulled her out and explained how lane sharing works. In fact, most of the time they will tell you what lane you should use. It gets busy, there are some seriously fast people there at times, as well as retired alumni and people like me who aren't fast. They run a pretty tight ship there, and we rarely have issues. |
| 2012-02-08 8:22 AM in reply to: #4035472 |
Veteran 222 | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? Clearly a result of the flip turn... THERE is where the fault lies. |
| 2012-02-08 8:22 AM in reply to: #4035503 |
| Extreme Veteran 597 NE Ohio | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? wannabefaster - 2012-02-08 9:16 AM He was in the right. She was in the wrong. I can understand his initial shock and reaction. Later, when he was less irritated it might have been good to extend an olive branch and help her understand why the collision happened. Could have been a productive teaching point where she would have learned about letting someone know before just hopping in the lane. Funny story (now). A couple weeks ago I got in to share a lane with a guy on a busy day at the pool. We were swimming different paces and very different workouts. When this happens I like to split the lane, you on one side of the black line, me on the other, instead of circle swimming. It always seems easier to me than repetitively passing or waiting at the ends, etc. I said to him, "can we just split the lane? You on that side, me over here?" he said, "yes." On my very first lap, as I am returning we crashed head-on into each other. Apparently what I said and what he heard were two very different things. We both apologized, patched things up and were able to finish our swims. that's the first thing i thought of when reading this. it was her fault. but like in a car accident, no matter who's fault, you don't get out and start yelling at the other person (most of the time). you check to see if everyone is ok. he could have made it ammicable and helped her understand. instead, she got everyone thinking he's a jerk now, and will be uncomfortable moving forward.
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| 2012-02-08 8:31 AM in reply to: #4035472 |
Regular 181 San Luis Obispo | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? Definitely her fault as she should have been watching cautiously where she is going. I don't blame him for "reacting" as it is a shock to know that you're in a lane alone, then wham...you hit someone hard. SHOCK! It's like sitting in meditation, eyes closed, mind quiet and body in peaceful rhythm when someone comes up and slaps you up side the head. "What the F*%K!" is your first reaction! I'm going to put a second blame on her for spreading the negative comments on the pool deck. I believe "I'm sorry" to the guy would have been the most appropriate. Just my opinion. |
| 2012-02-08 8:36 AM in reply to: #4035472 |
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| 2012-02-08 8:36 AM in reply to: #4035472 |
Master 3127 Sunny Southern Cal | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? I learned in public pool to always look forward a bit, coming off flip turns and while swimming. You never know what can change behind you. The ones that are tough to see are the kids jumping on top of you from the side deck. Can't fault the guy too much for his initial reaction. Smacking headfirst into another swimmer probably isn't going to result in your best moment. |
| 2012-02-08 8:40 AM in reply to: #4035543 |
Expert 2180 Boise, Idaho | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? |
| 2012-02-08 8:40 AM in reply to: #4035516 |
Expert 2180 Boise, Idaho | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? tstruyk - 2012-02-08 7:22 AM Clearly a result of the flip turn... THERE is where the fault lies. Oh, YEAH! Stir that pot. |
| 2012-02-08 8:41 AM in reply to: #4035516 |
Expert 2180 Boise, Idaho | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? tstruyk - 2012-02-08 7:22 AM Clearly a result of the flip turn... THERE is where the fault lies. Oh, YEAH! Stir that pot. |
| 2012-02-08 8:48 AM in reply to: #4035543 |
Extreme Veteran 863 West Michigan | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? DanielG - 2012-02-08 9:36 AM Bush's fault. Awesome. When all else fails, blame Bush. LOL. Be careful though, you didn't use red font, you may be taken seriously. lol. |
| 2012-02-08 1:04 PM in reply to: #4035516 |
| 237 | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? tstruyk - 2012-02-08 8:22 AM Clearly a result of the flip turn... THERE is where the fault lies.
Yes because it was a very forceful push off with an extended glide. However, since it was instrumental in reinforcing good form, it was worth the goosegg on the head. |
| 2012-02-08 1:18 PM in reply to: #4035503 |
| 121 | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? wannabefaster - 2012-02-08 8:16 AM Funny story (now). A couple weeks ago I got in to share a lane with a guy on a busy day at the pool. We were swimming different paces and very different workouts. When this happens I like to split the lane, you on one side of the black line, me on the other, instead of circle swimming. It always seems easier to me than repetitively passing or waiting at the ends, etc. I said to him, "can we just split the lane? You on that side, me over here?" he said, "yes." On my very first lap, as I am returning we crashed head-on into each other. Apparently what I said and what he heard were two very different things. We both apologized, patched things up and were able to finish our swims. I don't see a problem here; you agreed to split the lane, he gets half and you get half. He wanted the middle half |
| 2012-02-08 1:31 PM in reply to: #4035573 |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? guppie58 - 2012-02-08 8:48 AM DanielG - 2012-02-08 9:36 AM Bush's fault. Awesome. When all else fails, blame Bush. LOL. Be careful though, you didn't use red font, you may be taken seriously. lol. He could have smelled her coming if she hadn't showered! |
| 2012-02-08 3:39 PM in reply to: #4035472 |
Extreme Veteran 829 Tennessee | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? |
| 2012-02-08 4:50 PM in reply to: #4035472 |
Veteran 139 Manhattan, Ks | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? She was in the wrong and needed to apologize to him. We have to ask to join at lane at my pool. While standing on the deck wave one hand underwater to get the persons attention. |
| 2012-02-08 5:52 PM in reply to: #4035472 |
Expert 1183 Fort Wayne, IN | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? |
| 2012-02-08 6:27 PM in reply to: #4035472 |
Member 448 Clemson, SC | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? Well I'm from the south so FWIW if someone jumped into my lane and we collided, the first thing I would ask is "Are you ok?" She is definitely at fault here, but she didn't mean too and probably learned her lesson. Instead, the situation escalated. Some people need to work on anger management... Everyone is so quick to jump to conclusions nowadays. |
| 2012-02-08 6:39 PM in reply to: #4035472 |
Elite 3140 | Subject: RE: Swim collision.. Who's at fault? 100% her fault but if she was hurt he could have handled it better. Never understood people who jump into lanes without signaling others in the lane |
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