Duathlon Race Strategy
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2012-02-17 12:02 PM |
Expert 989 Broomfield, CO | Subject: Duathlon Race Strategy You would think after doing one Duathlon all ready I would know what to do... What is a Duathlon race strategy? I was thinking of running as fast as I can on the first run. Have an up tempo bike, without exploding my legs and survive the last run. The distances are 5K, 21Mile, 5K Last year I think I over cooked myself on the bike. All advice is welcomed |
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2012-02-17 12:08 PM in reply to: #4053202 |
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2012-02-17 12:17 PM in reply to: #4053202 |
Expert 989 Broomfield, CO | Subject: RE: Duathlon Race Strategy That does sound like a better plan to me. After looking my times last year and reading my own race report, I think your strategy sounds pretty good. Thanks! |
2012-02-17 12:26 PM in reply to: #4053202 |
Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Duathlon Race Strategy I race a stand alone 5k, bike like I had no run after, then run another stand alone 5k. Yes, my pace falls off a bit on the second one. But, if I held back on the first run my bests are 1) my pace would still fall off a bit, 2) what I held off on the first run I wouldn't make up on the second run. With better conditioning my two paces would be closer with my plan |
2012-02-17 12:31 PM in reply to: #4053265 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Duathlon Race Strategy bzgl40 - 2012-02-17 1:26 PM With better conditioning my two paces would be closer with my plan No amount of conditioning is ever going to get you to that plan.
Probably best to aim for about open-10k pace for the first 5k. Ride steady, but very hard. Unlikely you match the first 5k time on the second, but hold on as best you can. |
2012-02-17 12:51 PM in reply to: #4053265 |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Duathlon Race Strategy bzgl40 - 2012-02-17 12:26 PM I race a stand alone 5k, bike like I had no run after, then run another stand alone 5k. Yes, my pace falls off a bit on the second one. But, if I held back on the first run my bests are 1) my pace would still fall off a bit, 2) what I held off on the first run I wouldn't make up on the second run. With better conditioning my two paces would be closer with my plan More likely you would still end up running the first one faster. I'd go with ~open 10k pace for the runs. First run should hit it, second will try, but might not quite get it. For the bike, do you know how you'd take an Olympic tri? Maybe a little harder than that, but not much. Edited by brigby1 2012-02-17 12:51 PM |
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2012-02-17 1:03 PM in reply to: #4053273 |
Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Duathlon Race Strategy JohnnyKay - 2012-02-17 10:31 AM bzgl40 - 2012-02-17 1:26 PM With better conditioning my two paces would be closer with my plan No amount of conditioning is ever going to get you to that plan.
Probably best to aim for about open-10k pace for the first 5k. Ride steady, but very hard. Unlikely you match the first 5k time on the second, but hold on as best you can. I never said I would match the first run, but I would have less of a gap. YMMV. I spent a fair amount of time talking to some top female duathlete's last year and that's how the majority of them race. Their second time was within a minute of their first (overall). My gap was a bit wider but I hadn't really been training that hard, signed up on a whim. |
2012-02-17 1:04 PM in reply to: #4053202 |
Master 2725 Washington, DC Metro | Subject: RE: Duathlon Race Strategy I've only done one, when the swim leg of a tri was cancelled. In the end it was 2.3 mile run, 23.6 mile bike, then a 6.2 mile run. I ended up going out way too slow on my first run, but I didn't know any better. I ended up doing 7:50 pace on the first run, had a "normal" pace for my bike leg, and then had enough in the tank to do 7:24 for the last 10K run. I don't think I would have blasted it on the first run, but I will certainly not hold back nearly as much if a do another du. |
2012-02-17 1:16 PM in reply to: #4053344 |
Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Duathlon Race Strategy Sous - 2012-02-17 11:04 AM I've only done one, when the swim leg of a tri was cancelled. In the end it was 2.3 mile run, 23.6 mile bike, then a 6.2 mile run. I ended up going out way too slow on my first run, but I didn't know any better. I ended up doing 7:50 pace on the first run, had a "normal" pace for my bike leg, and then had enough in the tank to do 7:24 for the last 10K run. I don't think I would have blasted it on the first run, but I will certainly not hold back nearly as much if a do another du. Yeah, that is a harder one to pace. I sure wouldn't run the first one as a stand alone but not sure how much I'd back off. Not too much I'd think, you'd recover pretty good on the bike. |
2012-02-17 1:57 PM in reply to: #4053344 |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Duathlon Race Strategy Sous - 2012-02-17 1:04 PM I've only done one, when the swim leg of a tri was cancelled. In the end it was 2.3 mile run, 23.6 mile bike, then a 6.2 mile run. I ended up going out way too slow on my first run, but I didn't know any better. I ended up doing 7:50 pace on the first run, had a "normal" pace for my bike leg, and then had enough in the tank to do 7:24 for the last 10K run. I don't think I would have blasted it on the first run, but I will certainly not hold back nearly as much if a do another du. How would you relate those paces to your ability? They don't mean much without some context in how hard you were pushing yourself to get them. |
2012-02-17 2:32 PM in reply to: #4053341 |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Duathlon Race Strategy bzgl40 - 2012-02-17 1:03 PM I never said I would match the first run, but I would have less of a gap. YMMV. I spent a fair amount of time talking to some top female duathlete's last year and that's how the majority of them race. Their second time was within a minute of their first (overall). My gap was a bit wider but I hadn't really been training that hard, signed up on a whim. A big part of that is to help mentally push themselves as hard as they do. What do they actually end up with for each section compared to that goal? For example, with a bike that broke 20 miles, if I truly went like there was no run after I would not be able to unclip from the bike for a few minutes and might even fall over. |
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2012-02-19 7:36 PM in reply to: #4053202 |
Extreme Veteran 543 | Subject: RE: Duathlon Race Strategy where is this du? |
2012-02-19 8:08 PM in reply to: #4053202 |
Expert 989 Broomfield, CO | Subject: RE: Duathlon Race Strategy |
2012-02-19 8:18 PM in reply to: #4055944 |
Member 587 | Subject: RE: Duathlon Race Strategy Congrats. Curious, how did you end up pacing? Follow any of the advice on the posts here or go another plan. Thanks. |
2012-02-20 6:33 AM in reply to: #4053202 |
Pro 5892 , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: Duathlon Race Strategy Wish I saw this thread earlier... love DU's!!! You need to know your strength/weakness and your goals to proper pace yourself in a Du. If you're a strong runner and the goal is to podium, you need to stick with the top 5 in the first run no matter what, then keep the bike moderately hard to stay in contention, and unload everything you got in the the second run. Don't save anything, you will always run the last mile on pure will-power. If you plan to finish, back off the pace slightly on the first run (10-15sec. per mile off your stand-alone pace for the same distance), push the bike, but stay out of the red-zone, and then run the second run as fast as your first and hope you can keep this pace all the way. The transition to the bike can be complicated for a triathlete since we're not used to get on the bike with dead legs, plenty of brick work and adding a short run after each and every bike session helps a lot. Duathlons will always hurt, the second run is never pleasant, but once you finish, you will very likely be hooked! |
2012-02-20 7:59 AM in reply to: #4055944 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Duathlon Race Strategy bradaskins - 2012-02-19 9:08 PM The Du was in San Antonio Texas. I won my AG 40-44 and 5th over all. It was a great day. Redundant but congrats Very cool. I love duathlon! |
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2012-02-20 8:03 AM in reply to: #4053202 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Duathlon Race Strategy In case you didn't read it, USAT is going to create more of a presence in duathlon and help to promote the sport. I'm on one of the Mid-Atlantic committees. It's all still in formation, but I'm pretty excited. |
2012-02-20 8:10 AM in reply to: #4056305 |
Expert 1394 Wilmington, NC | Subject: RE: Duathlon Race Strategy BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-02-20 9:03 AM In case you didn't read it, USAT is going to create more of a presence in duathlon and help to promote the sport. I'm on one of the Mid-Atlantic committees. It's all still in formation, but I'm pretty excited. Brian. I hope that is true and would be great. On the other hand USAT have sorta been saying that for years. I know I would do duathlons way more than tri's if there were more around and spread across the year. |
2012-02-20 8:17 AM in reply to: #4055962 |
Expert 989 Broomfield, CO | Subject: RE: Duathlon Race Strategy 5stones - 2012-02-19 8:18 PM Congrats. Curious, how did you end up pacing? Follow any of the advice on the posts here or go another plan. Thanks. I used a lot of the tips from here. I ran the first 5k at about 80%. I keep the leaders in sight but didn't try to keep up, I just stuck with my pace. My average for the 5K was 7:50. On the bike I went hard, probably harder then I should have but I wanted to make up some ground. Biking is my strongest part of Du/Tri so I kind of just went for it. I did averaged 21MPH for 21 Miles, on my second loop of the 10.5 loop course I passed people doing the short course they were still on their 10.5 loop. Off the bike I felt pretty strong and ran as fast as I could and could see the leader. He was almost a mile ahead of me. I would up running the second 5k average 7:51 per mile. Next Duathlon I think I'll stick with the faster runners as long as I can and try to distance myself from them on the bike and see if I can hold them off on the run. |
2012-02-20 8:57 AM in reply to: #4056312 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Duathlon Race Strategy qrkid - 2012-02-20 9:10 AM BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-02-20 9:03 AM In case you didn't read it, USAT is going to create more of a presence in duathlon and help to promote the sport. I'm on one of the Mid-Atlantic committees. It's all still in formation, but I'm pretty excited. Brian. I hope that is true and would be great. On the other hand USAT have sorta been saying that for years. I know I would do duathlons way more than tri's if there were more around and spread across the year. Well I have a podium as a duathlete but the way I swim it's not likely as a triathlete I am and always will be a recovering runaholic! I think USAT is more serious as I have been receiving emails from them regarding the program, committees, and organization. There are 4 major areas: a regional championship series, promotion and marketing, adult outreach and training, youth outreach and training. |