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2012-03-08 4:48 PM

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Subject: Bizzare Claim regarding neoprene swim caps

I just ordered a pair of neoprene swim caps for use in the Escape from Alcatraz tri in June, and probably I'll get some use out of them in the mid-50's water here in MN in May.  The description of the swim cap says I can gain 30% of the heat I would otherwise lose.  That's good.

Today I get an email from the Escape race talking about the upcoming race and some strategies.  They mention neoprene swim caps and say to avoid them because you'll lose about 30% of your balance because you're covering your ears.  That's bad.

Anyone have an opinion about this?



2012-03-08 4:52 PM
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I feel bad for all the people who use earplugs.  I guess it's a good thing that it is a swim and not a tight-rope act.

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I don't get it.  Doesn't a regular swim cap cover your ears too?  And what about all those folks (like myself) who use earplugs as well?  I have used a neoprene cap in fairly rough water and have not had a major issue with balance.  Maybe someone knows something I've not heard of.

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2012-03-08 4:57 PM
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Sounds like it's a break-even. You gain 30% in body heat but lose 30% of balance. Wonder what other percentages are out there that are correlated to neoprene swim caps.

I recently started doing my training swims with a swim cap covering my ears, and I swear I'm faster after I have just put it on. It's strange. Maybe 15% faster? So there you go.
2012-03-08 4:59 PM
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Subject: RE: Bizzare Claim regarding neoprene swim caps

This is particularly odd since cold water introduced into the ears is actually used to test for vertigo. In other words: Keeping cold water out of your ears may reduce vertigo:

"Vertigo is not hypothermia but it is related to cold water exposure. Vertigo is the sudden loss of balance and orientation to one’s surroundings. Vertigo is caused when one ear drum is at a different temperature than the other and since your inner ear affects your balance, different inner ear temperatures affect your balance. A vertigo study was done where they would induce vertigo by injecting cold water into a persons ear."



2012-03-08 4:59 PM
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This statement has no foundation in physiology. On the contrary, cold water in your ears can induce vertigo.

I once woke an icu patient from a coma by squirting cold water into her ears. True story.

You'll be fine, and warmer than without.
2012-03-08 5:01 PM
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Subject: RE: Bizzare Claim regarding neoprene swim caps
Climbinggonzo - 2012-03-08 4:48 PM

I just ordered a pair of neoprene swim caps for use in the Escape from Alcatraz tri in June, and probably I'll get some use out of them in the mid-50's water here in MN in May.  The description of the swim cap says I can gain 30% of the heat I would otherwise lose.  That's good.

Today I get an email from the Escape race talking about the upcoming race and some strategies.  They mention neoprene swim caps and say to avoid them because you'll lose about 30% of your balance because you're covering your ears.  That's bad.

Anyone have an opinion about this?

If your inner ears get really cold, you will lose about 99% of your balance.  Just enough equilibrium to make you queasy.

2012-03-08 5:04 PM
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AdventureBear - 2012-03-08 4:59 PM This statement has no foundation in physiology. On the contrary, cold water in your ears can induce vertigo. I once woke an icu patient from a coma by squirting cold water into her ears. True story. You'll be fine, and warmer than without.

 

Bet you got cussed royally...   just sayin......



Edited by MadMathemagician 2012-03-08 5:06 PM
2012-03-08 5:10 PM
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I think this post gets made every time the Escape snds out their guide.  I actually thought this was an old post. 

Theoretically, I suppose that if the rubber seals around one ear, causing some water pressure, vertigo could result.  But saying you'll lose a percentage of balance (not sure how that actualy works...  only tip over 1/4 way???) from neoprene caps is silly.

ETA - having lost 100% of my balance on an open water swim once due to vertigo, the statement is more than a little disturbing



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Bripod - 2012-03-08 4:57 PM


I recently started doing my training swims with a swim cap covering my ears, and I swear I'm faster after I have just put it on. It's strange. Maybe 15% faster? So there you go.


Was it a red cap?


2012-03-08 6:04 PM
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Using a neoprene cap may cause issues doing flip turns...  Just sayin...
2012-03-08 7:32 PM
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Just see what it does for you. All else is irrelevant. For me, ear plugs make me nauseous after about 30 seconds. Never had a problem with a swim cap, of any material.
2012-03-08 7:35 PM
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I'm pretty sure that wearing one makes you 30% less attractive.....  Smile

It also makes ones ears stick out 30% less and keeps your hair 30% dryer....

2012-03-08 8:37 PM
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Subject: RE: Bizzare Claim regarding neoprene swim caps
MadMathemagician - 2012-03-08 4:04 PM

AdventureBear - 2012-03-08 4:59 PM This statement has no foundation in physiology. On the contrary, cold water in your ears can induce vertigo. I once woke an icu patient from a coma by squirting cold water into her ears. True story. You'll be fine, and warmer than without.

 

Bet you got cussed royally...   just sayin......



It's acutally a funny story. She was an overdose patient in the ICU. We were trying to assess her brain function, so one of the tests of brain stem function is squirting cold water in the eardrum. If the nerves, brainstem and muscles that move the eyes are all functioning (ie, not brain dead), the eyes will dart pack and forth as if you were spinning in circles unable to focus on anything.


SO we did it, her eyes moved, and us (interns) left the room. We were writign up her sedation/overdose orders when the attending came out and said, "OK, you can go talk to her now". Huh? She was in a self-induced coma less than 3 minutes ago and ALL we could get were brain stem functions.

Turned out that that stimulation was enough to wake her fully. I asked her what she remembered and she said were were talking about her eye color...that's all she remembered.

Had she been wearing a neoprene cap over her ears, she'd still be in a coma.
2012-03-09 8:23 AM
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Subject: RE: Bizzare Claim regarding neoprene swim caps

Thanks for the replies.  Perhaps the 30% change in balance will cause me to swim in a perfectly strait line?

The one I ordered will be here Monday, then as soon as the ice is out on the lakes I can test it out and see how it functions.



2012-03-09 8:33 AM
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Subject: RE: Bizzare Claim regarding neoprene swim caps

I remember reading that last year when I did EFA. I normally wear ear plugs on every swim, pool, open water or race. So I when down to the local quarry and used my ear plugs and my neoprene cap. Here is the only thing I noticed....now I really couldn't hear anything.

I used my neoprene cap and ear plugin during EFA, no problems what so ever.

Enjoy the race it's a blast!

Tip: look out for the vertical concrete pillars on the road ways before the first climb, about 1.5 miles into the bike!

2012-03-09 8:33 AM
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I used my Blue Seventy neoprene cap in the New Jersey Jackrabbit Open water swim last May. The water temp was 56 degrees. I bought the cap the night before the race and never practiced with it. I had no problems what so ever using the cap and I am so glad i bought it. My feet and face felt frozen when I got in but my head was fine. And after about 300 yards or so i didn't even notice the water temp.

Good Luck

2012-03-09 8:40 AM
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lifejustice - 2012-03-08 5:52 PM I feel bad for all the people who use earplugs.  I guess it's a good thing that it is a swim and not a tight-rope act.

 

I like this...i've never had much of an issue falling over in the water   i wore a neoprene cap and ear plugs in my ironman...didn't have an issue with falling one side to the other.

2012-03-09 8:43 AM
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DV 1 - 2012-03-08 7:32 PM Just see what it does for you. All else is irrelevant. For me, ear plugs make me nauseous after about 30 seconds. Never had a problem with a swim cap, of any material.

x2.  Except I am the exact opposite - I get dizzy and nauseous without ear plugs.  And I hate swim caps.

2012-03-09 8:59 AM
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McLuvin - 2012-03-08 5:18 PM

Bripod - 2012-03-08 4:57 PM


I recently started doing my training swims with a swim cap covering my ears, and I swear I'm faster after I have just put it on. It's strange. Maybe 15% faster? So there you go.


Was it a red cap?

haha! You know, I hadn't even thought of that... banana yellow. Guess I know what I need to add to the "Your latest tri purchase" thread!


2012-03-09 9:16 AM
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Cool, now I have an excuse for my even crappier level of surfing in the winter.

"It's the neoprene hood, I swear."

2012-03-09 9:39 AM
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Subject: RE: Bizzare Claim regarding neoprene swim caps
So when I was in the Marines at Coronado Island, we would be in the bay side early mornings in November/December time frame.  When I would get out of the water after a fin around the bridge a few times I darn near fell off the pier running back on to land.  It felt like I just did the "dizzy-izzy" drill when I was a kid.  I would usually have to take a knee for a few seconds before running.  It would wear off quick and I would be fine.
2012-03-09 12:54 PM
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Ditto about the cold water in the ears making a person off balence. Warm cap and ear plugs are the way to go . the SF bay regulars mostly do not even wear wetsuits on Alcatraz swims they are used to the cold water. Cold showers for a week before can help even with a wetsuit.
Macks silicon ear plugs work great.

Cold water Alcatraz type swim caps used by the locals there. Yours is probably like one of these.

http://openwatercaps.blogspot.com
2012-03-09 12:58 PM
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Wear your new cap in the shower and see if you can stay standing.....have someone nearby so they can squirt water in your ears if you fall. 
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