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2012-03-12 1:34 PM |
Expert 1014 , New Hampshire | Subject: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? The other day I was telling my husband how great my new tri shorts were. He said he didn't understand why people buy a bunch of padded shorts/tights when they could just get a comfy seat and wear whatever they wanted. He asked me why cyclists insist on sitting on teeny, hard seats. I had no answer. Can someone fill us in on this mystery? Why do cyclists choose hard seats and wear padded shorts? BTW, my husband was an avid mountain biker and worked as a bicycle courier. He never wore padded shorts. |
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2012-03-12 1:38 PM in reply to: #4092448 |
Pro 4339 Husker Nation | Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? The shorts also help to wick away moisture from the area and move with your body rather than against it causing chafe. At least that's what I read in the March issue of Bicycling magazine. |
2012-03-12 1:52 PM in reply to: #4092448 |
Master 2855 Kailua, Hawaii | Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? there are padded seats of various degrees, and seem to get more padding as you move to the "Walmart" level. padding a seat usually interferes with the leg movement, so it's better to let the rider chose the padding level on the shorts instead. plus padding a seat isn't always a comfortable thing...has more to do with fit. |
2012-03-12 2:03 PM in reply to: #4092448 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? Isn't it funny how all the thickly padded seats are on the cheap bikes that end up as dust collectors in peoples' garages? |
2012-03-12 2:14 PM in reply to: #4092448 |
Regular 988 Westfield, IN | Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? |
2012-03-12 2:36 PM in reply to: #4092448 |
Extreme Veteran 845 | Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? |
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2012-03-12 2:52 PM in reply to: #4092448 |
Master 2236 Denison Texas | Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? Being able to slide forward on the nose of the saddle or way back while climbing are important, loose shorts will bunch up as well. The point of a good racing saddle is to reduce the amount of contact not spread it out, you should have 2 pressure points on the sits bones and limited pressure elsewhere. |
2012-03-12 2:55 PM in reply to: #4092448 |
Pro 5892 , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? Padded seats at first seems to be comfortable, and they are for very short distances. All that padding doesn't allow for any support however, so you end up putting lots of pressure on your soft tissue, rather than being supported by your sit bones. The padding allows for two things, a little padding (duh!) and reducing of friction between you and the seat. |
2012-03-12 3:00 PM in reply to: #4092635 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? audiojan - 2012-03-12 12:55 PM Padded seats at first seems to be comfortable, and they are for very short distances. All that padding doesn't allow for any support however, so you end up putting lots of pressure on your soft tissue, rather than being supported by your sit bones. As well as allowing the body to squirm around on the soft padding, which introduces MUCH more in the way of shear forces on the skin. |
2012-03-12 3:03 PM in reply to: #4092448 |
Elite 4344 | Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? Thinking about this as an engineer, my guess is that it is because the pad in the shorts moves with the body reducing rubbing between skin and pad compared to a pad fixed to the seat. TW |
2012-03-12 3:04 PM in reply to: #4092448 |
Member 796 Malvern, PA | Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? First of all, less padding is better. You need a little, not a lot. Second of all, you want the padding to move WITH the rider, that's why it belongs in your chamois and not on your saddle. I have a 100% carbon fiber saddle (less than 100g!) and it's got ZERO padding....it's the best! |
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2012-03-12 3:22 PM in reply to: #4092448 |
Elite 3498 Laguna Beach | Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? Saddle discomfort comes from four things: 1. Heat. 2. Friction (shich contributes to heat). 3. Moisture. 4. Pressure. A saddle alone cannot manage all four factors as efficiently as the combination of good shorts, good saddle acclimation, using chamois cream, having a good bike fit and using an appropriate saddle. Especially for new riders good saddle comfort habits are important. Especially for new riders good saddle comfort habits are frequently misunderstood and not practiced. This starts the rider on the inevitable (and profitable for guys like me) quest to find that one, "best" saddle. Please... keep trying more saddles, you're only another $150 saddle (or three) away from the one perfect one for you. Keep buying saddles... In all seriousness the saddle comfort issue has been resolved. New riders will have some saddle discomfort until they are acclimated. It takes a year to get acclimated if you aren't overweight, have good bike fit and position and practice good saddle comfort habits (good shorts worn tight enough with no underwear, chamois cream every ride, good bike fit, conventional saddle) and you do short, frequent rides initially to facilitate good saddle acclimation. If you aren't doing those things you'll have problems. The amount of problems you have is directly related to the degree to which you're in compliance with the above practices. The less you're in compliance, the more problems you'll have. Saddle comfort isn't elusive, it isn't individual, it's not a mystery. These guys started figuring it out nearly 100 years ago, and it has improved consistently ever since as fabrics and bike technology have improved:
Edited by Tom Demerly. 2012-03-12 3:23 PM |
2012-03-15 1:43 AM in reply to: #4092579 |
Veteran 317 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat?
FuryUs....Read #41. These rules do not apply here |
2012-03-15 1:45 AM in reply to: #4092448 |
Veteran 317 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? Rule # 42, sorry |
2012-03-15 4:07 AM in reply to: #4092717 |
Regular 62 | Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? Tom Demerly. - 2012-03-12 3:22 PM Saddle discomfort comes from four things: 1. Heat. 2. Friction (shich contributes to heat). 3. Moisture. 4. Pressure. A saddle alone cannot manage all four factors as efficiently as the combination of good shorts, good saddle acclimation, using chamois cream, having a good bike fit and using an appropriate saddle. Especially for new riders good saddle comfort habits are important. Especially for new riders good saddle comfort habits are frequently misunderstood and not practiced. This starts the rider on the inevitable (and profitable for guys like me) quest to find that one, "best" saddle. Please... keep trying more saddles, you're only another $150 saddle (or three) away from the one perfect one for you. Keep buying saddles... In all seriousness the saddle comfort issue has been resolved. New riders will have some saddle discomfort until they are acclimated. It takes a year to get acclimated if you aren't overweight, have good bike fit and position and practice good saddle comfort habits (good shorts worn tight enough with no underwear, chamois cream every ride, good bike fit, conventional saddle) and you do short, frequent rides initially to facilitate good saddle acclimation. If you aren't doing those things you'll have problems. The amount of problems you have is directly related to the degree to which you're in compliance with the above practices. The less you're in compliance, the more problems you'll have. Saddle comfort isn't elusive, it isn't individual, it's not a mystery. These guys started figuring it out nearly 100 years ago, and it has improved consistently ever since as fabrics and bike technology have improved:
First off ^^^^^ THIS^^^^^^ Second... great classic pic! I love how the riders used to smoke as a "performance enhancer" ... Cigs were one of the original PEDs! |
2012-03-15 7:03 AM in reply to: #4092448 |
Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? You move in relation to the seat. That begs for chaffing and other nasties. Your shorts move with you so you don't get the friction against parts you'd prefer not having that kind of friction against. The longer your ride distances, the less padding is wanted in the seat. |
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2012-03-15 9:01 AM in reply to: #4097127 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? DanielG - 2012-03-15 8:03 AM You move in relation to the seat. That begs for chaffing and other nasties. Your shorts move with you so you don't get the friction against parts you'd prefer not having that kind of friction against. The longer your ride distances, the less padding is wanted in the seat. I feel the same way about the chamois. Over time I've found I prefer less. A thinner chamois dries faster and I don't feel like I'm riding around in a soggy diaper. Oh, and bibs, definitely more comfortable not having the waistband digging or shorts sliding. IMO. |
2012-03-15 9:56 AM in reply to: #4092635 |
Veteran 221 | Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? audiojan - 2012-03-12 1:55 PM Padded seats at first seems to be comfortable, and they are for very short distances. All that padding doesn't allow for any support however, so you end up putting lots of pressure on your soft tissue, rather than being supported by your sit bones. The padding allows for two things, a little padding (duh!) and reducing of friction between you and the seat. This, basically. On a highly padded seat, the pressure is more distributed, pushing on parts of you that you don't want pushed on. Less padding means that the pressure is all on your "sit bones" (I'm no doctor), and while they'll be sore when you first start riding, there won't be any damage, or hopefully numbness, and the soreness goes away pretty quickly. |
2012-03-15 10:29 AM in reply to: #4092448 |
Member 241 | Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? OK. So does the "minimalist" approach also apply to Iron-distance triathlon? I wear Tyr Competitor Tri-shorts which have a fairly skinny pad for biking. However, all I have been doing are Sprint and Oly Tri's. Should this be the way to go for a 100+ mile bike ride as well? I have no problem with putting in the miles but I don't want to buy more gear that may not give me the right amount of cushoning for the long distances. What is optimal for Iron distance tri-short? |
2012-03-15 11:22 AM in reply to: #4097601 |
Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? Lock_N_Load - 2012-03-15 11:29 AM OK. So does the "minimalist" approach also apply to Iron-distance triathlon? I wear Tyr Competitor Tri-shorts which have a fairly skinny pad for biking. However, all I have been doing are Sprint and Oly Tri's. Should this be the way to go for a 100+ mile bike ride as well? I have no problem with putting in the miles but I don't want to buy more gear that may not give me the right amount of cushoning for the long distances. What is optimal for Iron distance tri-short? I've done a couple IMs, several HIMs and I don't know how many century rides. I've never owned bike shorts, only tri shorts. I bought a DeSoto 400 Mile bib shorts for my next cycling event, double century, 200 miles. After wearing them a couple times I've come to the conclusion I did not need to buy them, my Orca shorts would have been just fine. |
2012-03-15 12:03 PM in reply to: #4097707 |
Member 241 | Subject: RE: Why have padded shorts when you can have a padded seat? DanielG - 2012-03-15 10:22 AM Lock_N_Load - 2012-03-15 11:29 AM OK. So does the "minimalist" approach also apply to Iron-distance triathlon? I wear Tyr Competitor Tri-shorts which have a fairly skinny pad for biking. However, all I have been doing are Sprint and Oly Tri's. Should this be the way to go for a 100+ mile bike ride as well? I have no problem with putting in the miles but I don't want to buy more gear that may not give me the right amount of cushoning for the long distances. What is optimal for Iron distance tri-short? I've done a couple IMs, several HIMs and I don't know how many century rides. I've never owned bike shorts, only tri shorts. I bought a DeSoto 400 Mile bib shorts for my next cycling event, double century, 200 miles. After wearing them a couple times I've come to the conclusion I did not need to buy them, my Orca shorts would have been just fine. Thanks, this helps me decide what gear to invest in. |
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