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2012-07-03 11:59 AM in reply to: #4292757 |
Extreme Veteran 1942 In front of computer when typing this. | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose Tom Demerly. - 2012-07-03 12:51 PM What's so hard to understand? I don't think the OP has an issue with buying expensive stuff. I think it is that people buy expensive tri bikes but then do things to them that degrade their performance. Would you buy a sports car to tow a trailer? Or put a giant square roofbox on a ferrari when you go to the track to race? But we do this on tri bikes all the time. Sure, there are reasons but this whole discussion has gone from "why do people do this" to "I buy expensive stuff because I can". |
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2012-07-03 12:10 PM in reply to: #4292245 |
Expert 614 Atlanta, GA | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose As far as the bathroom goes. I'm not going to pee on myself (unless it's a medical problem) so I might as well have the faster bike to get to the Hop 'n Jon faster |
2012-07-03 12:14 PM in reply to: #4292788 |
Elite 3498 Laguna Beach | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose There is a funny... stigma to conspicuous consummtion and wealth. As though it is somehow bad. Like any big, broad topic it's unreasonable to blanketly label buying nice bikes as "wise" or "foolhardy". I'll suggest many people convince themselves it's a "wise buy" or "necessary". That's fine. I'll further suggest it is as pragmatic as buying anything that is bought with discretionary income. We buy it because we like it, want it and we can. It gets hazy when we loose sight of that motive and disguise it as something else. |
2012-07-03 12:17 PM in reply to: #4292245 |
Master 1517 Grand Prairie | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose Let's state a fact here: Expensive stuff is always nicer than cheap stuff. So why not get the nice things if you can afford them? Doesn't matter if it is the $2k Espresso machine, the $150k car or the $10k bike. People that have a lot of money most likely sacrficied soemthing for it at some point in there life. So they need to gett nice things to make up for what they missed.
The question of "needing" something, if taken to the bare essentials.. Human don't need any of this other than some food, some water and oxygen...
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2012-07-03 12:20 PM in reply to: #4292841 |
Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose timf79 - 2012-07-03 1:17 PM Let's state a fact here: Expensive stuff is always nicer than cheap stuff. So why not get the nice things if you can afford them? Doesn't matter if it is the $2k Espresso machine, the $150k car or the $10k bike. People that have a lot of money most likely sacrficied soemthing for it at some point in there life. So they need to gett nice things to make up for what they missed.
The question of "needing" something, if taken to the bare essentials.. Human don't need any of this other than some food, some water and oxygen...
Alright, Maslow |
2012-07-03 12:27 PM in reply to: #4292327 |
Expert 1263 Wendell, NC | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose Left Brain - 2012-07-03 10:36 AM I have a SC 7.5 with a set of Cosmic Carbone SR's.......when someone passes me I yell, "your bike sucks!!!" Excellent |
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2012-07-03 12:27 PM in reply to: #4292706 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose bcagle25 - 2012-07-03 12:35 PM It was simply a question to everyone, sorry for being quizzical and wondering why people buy certain bikes. If this question bothered you so much, why even answer? I didn't mean to upset, pry into, or even look down upon people. Not sure why people take such offense to a basic question. For those that answered nicely thank you, and for those that say remarks such as "get off my lawn", take a deep breath and relax a bit you are taking some things too seriously This is funny, because by it's very nature your question takes things 'too seriously'. People do things for all kinds of reasons. Some logical. Some less so. |
2012-07-03 12:27 PM in reply to: #4292706 |
Master 4118 Toronto | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose bcagle25 - 2012-07-03 12:35 PM It was simply a question to everyone, sorry for being quizzical and wondering why people buy certain bikes. If this question bothered you so much, why even answer? I didn't mean to upset, pry into, or even look down upon people. Not sure why people take such offense to a basic question. For those that answered nicely thank you, and for those that say remarks such as "get off my lawn", take a deep breath and relax a bit you are taking some things too seriously I have seen some discussion that is about 'working on the engine' vs buying speed etc and there is always some discussion of working up to your potential - and i think your discussion point takes people to a place where we know we may not be using our equipment in the ideal way but then when is anything ever ideal?? I mean, I live in a city of 3 million people - it's just not feasible to ride in aero all that much for my shorter weekday rides ... so should I just not bother? I am training for Ironman i need to put un-aero bottles on my bike frame in order to stay hydrated for long rides - what is better - to be perfectly aero or to have hydration that works for a long period of time? I am not trying to make my life more difficult but in my mind just being practical. Then, I am not aiming for any competitive heights in my training - just some modest improvement, fitness and a sense of accomplishment |
2012-07-03 12:29 PM in reply to: #4292753 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose bcagle25 - 2012-07-03 12:50 PM DanielG - 2012-07-03 11:41 AM bcagle25 - 2012-07-03 12:35 PM It was simply a question to everyone, sorry for being quizzical and wondering why people buy certain bikes. If this question bothered you so much, why even answer? I didn't mean to upset, pry into, or even look down upon people. Not sure why people take such offense to a basic question. For those that answered nicely thank you, and for those that say remarks such as "get off my lawn", take a deep breath and relax a bit you are taking some things too seriously Nope. You'll understand in 20 years or so. please explain to me what i am missing here? Because the way you come across it would venture to think you have NEVER asked someone why they choose this over the other, or why they go about certain things in life. You didn't ask 'someone'. The way it came across is you asking a generic audience why 'some people' would do something you view as stupid. |
2012-07-03 12:51 PM in reply to: #4292245 |
Champion 6786 Two seat rocket plane | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose |
2012-07-03 12:55 PM in reply to: #4292943 |
Elite 3498 Laguna Beach | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose I was chatting with a lad who recently bought a P-51 Mustang. The aircraft was high six figures and he had a number of necessary maintenance projects done to it for FAA certification that topped it out over seven figures. He's a high net worth fellow. I said to him, "I didn't know you had one of these." He said, "I don't let people know. They get weird about it." So ends the lesson. |
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2012-07-03 12:57 PM in reply to: #4292485 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose Tom Demerly. - 2012-07-03 8:28 AM People try to rationalize buying a triathlon bike as being "necessary" to their competitive experience. WE need to be more pragmatic about wanting "toys". There isn't anything wrong with it. It doesn't have to be justified, it doesn't have to be rationalized. It's the same reason Ferraris and Porsches sit in traffic jams on the 405. People don't buy them to do laps at Imola or Monaco. They buy them because they want them and they can. There isn't anything wrong with that. There is a bit of an issue when people adopt the "Walter Middy" mindset that they are some kind of "sponsored athlete" or take themselves or the sport more seriously than may be reasonable. Everybody knows these athletes. I've probably been one myself, the guy who thought he was hot potatoes and the next big thing because he won his age category and came in 2nd at the local 200 person Muskox Man triathlon. Clearly then, we are "pros" and must spend thousands to save every second... to win a $4 plaque. For the most part people rationalize just wanting cool stuff, and there is nothing wrong with that. I kid you not, it took about 20 seconds to realize that was diddy in the pic... |
2012-07-03 1:01 PM in reply to: #4292883 |
Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose JohnnyKay - 2012-07-03 10:29 AM bcagle25 - 2012-07-03 12:50 PM DanielG - 2012-07-03 11:41 AM bcagle25 - 2012-07-03 12:35 PM It was simply a question to everyone, sorry for being quizzical and wondering why people buy certain bikes. If this question bothered you so much, why even answer? I didn't mean to upset, pry into, or even look down upon people. Not sure why people take such offense to a basic question. For those that answered nicely thank you, and for those that say remarks such as "get off my lawn", take a deep breath and relax a bit you are taking some things too seriously Nope. You'll understand in 20 years or so. please explain to me what i am missing here? Because the way you come across it would venture to think you have NEVER asked someone why they choose this over the other, or why they go about certain things in life. You didn't ask 'someone'. The way it came across is you asking a generic audience why 'some people' would do something you view as stupid. This. OP, your post came off, to me at least, as not a sincere question, but a judgmental one. As in, "why would you do something so stupid?" Not a great way to get an intelligent discussion rolling. Especially backed up by naive claims of "it was just a question" If you want to ask why people make aero bikes un-aero, ask it in a straight forward manner, but don't veil it in insults. OK, carry on. BT has gotten a bit weird for me lately. Edited by ChrisM 2012-07-03 1:01 PM |
2012-07-03 1:03 PM in reply to: #4292959 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose Tom Demerly. - 2012-07-03 10:55 AM I was chatting with a lad who recently bought a P-51 Mustang. The aircraft was high six figures and he had a number of necessary maintenance projects done to it for FAA certification that topped it out over seven figures. He's a high net worth fellow. I said to him, "I didn't know you had one of these." He said, "I don't let people know. They get weird about it." So ends the lesson. I would drop a mil on a P-51 before I would by a 1 mil car... That would be awesome. I wonder if a corsair would be any cheaper? |
2012-07-03 1:03 PM in reply to: #4292964 |
Expert 1644 Oklahoma | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose Kido - 2012-07-03 12:57 PM Who's diddy?Tom Demerly. - 2012-07-03 8:28 AM People try to rationalize buying a triathlon bike as being "necessary" to their competitive experience. WE need to be more pragmatic about wanting "toys". There isn't anything wrong with it. It doesn't have to be justified, it doesn't have to be rationalized. It's the same reason Ferraris and Porsches sit in traffic jams on the 405. People don't buy them to do laps at Imola or Monaco. They buy them because they want them and they can. There isn't anything wrong with that. There is a bit of an issue when people adopt the "Walter Middy" mindset that they are some kind of "sponsored athlete" or take themselves or the sport more seriously than may be reasonable. Everybody knows these athletes. I've probably been one myself, the guy who thought he was hot potatoes and the next big thing because he won his age category and came in 2nd at the local 200 person Muskox Man triathlon. Clearly then, we are "pros" and must spend thousands to save every second... to win a $4 plaque. For the most part people rationalize just wanting cool stuff, and there is nothing wrong with that. I kid you not, it took about 20 seconds to realize that was diddy in the pic... |
2012-07-03 1:04 PM in reply to: #4292979 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose |
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2012-07-03 1:05 PM in reply to: #4292245 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose Where's Diddy? |
2012-07-03 1:06 PM in reply to: #4292973 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose ChrisM - 2012-07-03 1:01 PM JohnnyKay - 2012-07-03 10:29 AM bcagle25 - 2012-07-03 12:50 PM DanielG - 2012-07-03 11:41 AM bcagle25 - 2012-07-03 12:35 PM It was simply a question to everyone, sorry for being quizzical and wondering why people buy certain bikes. If this question bothered you so much, why even answer? I didn't mean to upset, pry into, or even look down upon people. Not sure why people take such offense to a basic question. For those that answered nicely thank you, and for those that say remarks such as "get off my lawn", take a deep breath and relax a bit you are taking some things too seriously Nope. You'll understand in 20 years or so. please explain to me what i am missing here? Because the way you come across it would venture to think you have NEVER asked someone why they choose this over the other, or why they go about certain things in life. You didn't ask 'someone'. The way it came across is you asking a generic audience why 'some people' would do something you view as stupid. This. OP, your post came off, to me at least, as not a sincere question, but a judgmental one. As in, "why would you do something so stupid?" Not a great way to get an intelligent discussion rolling. Especially backed up by naive claims of "it was just a question" If you want to ask why people make aero bikes un-aero, ask it in a straight forward manner, but don't veil it in insults. OK, carry on. BT has gotten a bit weird for me lately. Blame it on taper madness. |
2012-07-03 1:09 PM in reply to: #4292280 |
New user 170 | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose audiojan - 2012-07-03 9:20 AM People buy boats for $30-50k and only use them 10-15 weekends per year... my wheels are cheap compared to that. I fly and have friends that have spent $100k on used planes and $30k on engine rebuilds (preventative maintenance). Usually I fly more than they do, but I rent. The owner of a plane I'm flying now was stunned when I thought nothing of shooting an approach (flying through clouds, i.e. no outside visibility, on instruments to low altitude for a landing) that had clouds below the minimum approach altitude. There was a nearby airport that was better, but sometimes the weather reports are wrong at small airports. It was wrong and we landed. If it was right I would have just gone missed and then flown to the other airport and waited it out; we were picking up someone for an Angel Flight mission. People buy stuff because they want it and they can afford it (or can go into enough debt). Doesn't mean they need it or even know how to use it properly though. |
2012-07-03 1:18 PM in reply to: #4292507 |
New user 170 | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose Left Brain - 2012-07-03 10:35 AM How much for the chopper and the two gals?
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
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2012-07-03 1:26 PM in reply to: #4292245 |
Regular 160 Ponchatoula | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose I'm still chuckling over: I yell, "your bike sucks!!!" and Get off my lawn I love walking through transition and enjoying all the bike art. I'm way to slow to benefit from most of the goodies but I can't wait to get a Triathlon bike. |
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2012-07-03 1:26 PM in reply to: #4293018 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose waynec - 2012-07-03 1:18 PM Left Brain - 2012-07-03 10:35 AM How much for the chopper and the two gals?
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
I need it for the loan papers. |
2012-07-03 1:35 PM in reply to: #4292983 |
Expert 1233 | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose Left Brain - 2012-07-03 2:05 PM Where's Diddy? ...walking down the street, singing Do wah Diddy... |
2012-07-03 2:13 PM in reply to: #4292746 |
Member 67 Socorro, NM | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose Ah, true. Good call... But just think, If they didn't buy all the fancy aero features, then loading down their bikes will all the extra crap would just be doubling the drag coefficient of their non-aero bike. The aero features and the non-aero features just cancel themselves out. So it's still a win in a way... Edited by NMTrier 2012-07-03 2:13 PM |
2012-07-03 2:15 PM in reply to: #4292245 |
Expert 1416 San Luis Obispo, CA | Subject: RE: Why buy the expensive gear if you don't use it for it's main purpose Gosh, I know. Everywhere I look there's people with Zipps, carbon fiber frames, Garmins, and $900 TYR Freaks. I'm really hoping the government will step in and save this sport: tax the people who can afford those things and issue everyone steel frames with down-tube shifters and box rims. |
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