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2012-08-05 6:08 PM
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lamb_y2003 - 2012-08-05 4:18 PM OH!  And speedwalking.  That's just transportation for the late, not an Olympic sport.

 

Those guys can probably walk faster then twice as fast as you or I can run..

Fixt. I'm including me in that. Those folks do just over 6:00/mile over 25K distance and just under 6:30/mile over 50K.

I really do hope this entire thread is in jest. It's the only way I can figure most of the comments.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I was mostly kidding. Having said that, I would bet that 100% of the people in rhythmic gymnastics or trampoline started out as "traditional" gymnasts but weren't good enough to compete at the highest level, so they switched to a less competitive version of the sport. That doesn't mean that I could do it, or that they arent top-level ahletes, but I don't have as much respect for the athletes in those sports as I do for the athletes competing in the more traditional version of gymnastics. Same goes for ice dancers vs figure skaters.

Again, doesn't this carry through to triathlon? That triathletes are just swimmers/cyclists/runners who "weren't good enough to compete at the highest level" in those individual sports? At various times I've heard swimmers/cyclists/runners say that about our sport...



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2012-08-05 6:25 PM
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lamb_y2003 - 2012-08-05 4:18 PM OH!  And speedwalking.  That's just transportation for the late, not an Olympic sport.

 

Those guys can probably walk faster then twice as fast as you or I can run..

Fixt. I'm including me in that. Those folks do just over 6:00/mile over 25K distance and just under 6:30/mile over 50K.

I really do hope this entire thread is in jest. It's the only way I can figure most of the comments.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I was mostly kidding. Having said that, I would bet that 100% of the people in rhythmic gymnastics or trampoline started out as "traditional" gymnasts but weren't good enough to compete at the highest level, so they switched to a less competitive version of the sport. That doesn't mean that I could do it, or that they arent top-level ahletes, but I don't have as much respect for the athletes in those sports as I do for the athletes competing in the more traditional version of gymnastics. Same goes for ice dancers vs figure skaters.

Again, doesn't this carry through to triathlon? That triathletes are just swimmers/cyclists/runners who "weren't good enough to compete at the highest level" in those individual sports? At various times I've heard swimmers/cyclists/runners say that about our sport...



I see your point, but I see a difference, since the athletes have to learn two other completely different sports and perform them at a high level. Not that performing flips on a trampoline isnt a different skill than doing them off a floor, but it's not as big a stretch as a former cyclist learning to swim fast. One could apply your example to decathletes/heptathletes, too, and no one would ever say that someone became a decathlete because they couldn't hack it as a javelin thrower.
2012-08-05 6:38 PM
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You say "it's not as big a stretch" but I would bet the participants in trampolining and rhythmic gymnastics would disagree.

All in all I find it incredibly amusing that folks on forums devoted to one fringe-sport (triathlon) would choose to look down on other fringe sports and their inclusion in the Olympics.

2012-08-05 6:51 PM
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pitt83 - 2012-08-05 3:20 PM Any sport which can be played while drinking beer. I'm hating on you, curling. Might as well add bowling.

Sigh.

I've seen runners in marathons and triathlons drinking beer when offered during the race. Want to hate on those too?

When I drank beer I have done the following Olympic sports while drinking beer:

Ran

Kayaked

Mountain Biked

Swam

Volleyball

Ping Pong

Badminton

Soccer

Downhill Ski

Played Hockey

 

Jeez, what fun would the Olympics be if we eliminated ALL of those sports

I'd add wrestling, boxing, judo,etc, as I am sure this has occurred at least once in a bar fight near your area...just saying.

2012-08-05 6:52 PM
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the bear - 2012-08-05 6:38 PM

You say "it's not as big a stretch" but I would bet the participants in trampolining and rhythmic gymnastics would disagree.

All in all I find it incredibly amusing that folks on forums devoted to one fringe-sport (triathlon) would choose to look down on other fringe sports and their inclusion in the Olympics.

THANK YOU!

as a lifelong equestrian that cringes at the question every 4 years.  I'm tired of defending my sport. You know, I do triathlon and do watch it on tv. Its not a good sport for tv.  That finish was epic, but thats all thats exciting.  I'd much rather watch those subjective sports or my beloved horseback events (ok even I can do without dressage! show jumping and cross country are awesome).

2012-08-05 7:24 PM
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the bear - 2012-08-05 6:38 PM

You say "it's not as big a stretch" but I would bet the participants in trampolining and rhythmic gymnastics would disagree.

All in all I find it incredibly amusing that folks on forums devoted to one fringe-sport (triathlon) would choose to look down on other fringe sports and their inclusion in the Olympics.



Now you're just being argumentative. You really don't see a cyclist learning to swim as having a steeper learning curve than a guy who was already a gymnast and who has already learned to flip on a trampoline (as most competitive gymnast do as part of their training) transitioning to trampoline as a a competive event?

Again, I'm mostly kidding, so no need to make me the bad guy, but, like I said, if you asked the entire trampoline field, "Would you prefer to wn the gold medal in trampoline or the all-around gymnastics medal?", I contend that 100% would say they'd prefer the latter. Would that be true of triathletes? Would Laura Bennett say she'd prefer to win gold at the 10k or the road cycling event or in swimming? I'm not so sure.

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2012-08-05 7:25 PM
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pitt83 - 2012-08-05 3:20 PM Any sport which can be played while drinking beer. I'm hating on you, curling. Might as well add bowling.

Sigh.

I've seen runners in marathons and triathlons drinking beer when offered during the race. Want to hate on those too?

I hope they do not take away my beer in marathons now.

2012-08-05 7:32 PM
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I would love to see an event that is big in the host country that is not a normal event to be played.  I think it would really give a chance to showcase that country.   My rules would be it would have to have an international governing body and it would be announced at the closing ceremonies giving everyone 4 years to train.

yes it would give the home country an advantage but I think that is part of the the fun.

2012-08-05 7:47 PM
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jldicarlo - 2012-08-03 11:11 PM

Yet they removed softball....

Sometimes I wonder....

Tramoline is goveren by the international gymnastics federation and is considered an event by the ioc. Softball was a single gender standalone sport. Baseball and Softball just merged their international federations in an effort to gaon reinstatement. Trampoline is just as much a sport as gymnastics or diving.
2012-08-06 1:50 AM
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lamb_y2003 - 2012-08-06 7:01 AM I'm not saying the speedwalkers aren't fast, nor in fantastic shape.  They are both of  those things without a doubt.  It's just that if you go faster than walking then you're running and THAT to me is the sport because it's the greatest extension of the walking/running movement.  I guess you can look at it as en entirely different beast (and, in line with my previous argument, I'm sure there are many speedwalkers who face this same criticism but it's not 'popular' enough for me, an average Joes, to have all the info) but I can't think of another sport where you COULD go faster if you moved your body faster but it morphs into a different event then.  The closest I can think of is standing long jump but that was booted out of the Olympics in 1912.  

Breaststroke, which spawned butterfly for the same reason, but breaststroke was nevertheless retained.

And why have hurdles and steeplechase then?

2012-08-06 11:49 AM
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Someone say team handball... Really?  Do they play this sport anywhere or anytime other than the Olympics?  Anyone part of a team handball league or go to the local handball match?

Maybe it's popular somewhere, but I really don't know where.  I know just about every other sport is, even at bbq's and picnics or college dorms.  Heck, I but more people  play beer pong than team handball.



2012-08-06 11:52 AM
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Every time the Olympics roll around, I wish there was a local team handball league. That game looks really fun. I’m surprised that the US isn’t better at it, since it seems to share a lot of the characteristics of other sports like basketball, hockey, and lacrosse that are popular.
2012-08-06 12:01 PM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-08-06 9:52 AM Every time the Olympics roll around, I wish there was a local team handball league. That game looks really fun. I’m surprised that the US isn’t better at it, since it seems to share a lot of the characteristics of other sports like basketball, hockey, and lacrosse that are popular.

No experience.  I was dating a girl once who tried out for the girls volleyball team but was cut.  But then approached to play women's team handball... 

Basically, they just throw a team of athletes together that can't make it in the sport they wanted and "teach" them to play, but no real experience.

I know that is probably a generalization, but sort of seemed to be the case in first hand experience.

2012-08-06 12:04 PM
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Kido - 2012-08-07 12:49 AM

Someone say team handball... Really?  Do they play this sport anywhere or anytime other than the Olympics?  Anyone part of a team handball league or go to the local handball match?

Maybe it's popular somewhere, but I really don't know where.  I know just about every other sport is, even at bbq's and picnics or college dorms.  Heck, I but more people  play beer pong than team handball.

Handball is HUGE in Australia (somewhat more so among women there) and Europe, and it has a decent following in Commonwealth countries.

I played a little of it growing up, but then again I played a little of everything and a whole huge lot of a few things.

2012-08-06 12:44 PM
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lamb_y2003 - 2012-08-06 7:01 AM I'm not saying the speedwalkers aren't fast, nor in fantastic shape.  They are both of  those things without a doubt.  It's just that if you go faster than walking then you're running and THAT to me is the sport because it's the greatest extension of the walking/running movement.  I guess you can look at it as en entirely different beast (and, in line with my previous argument, I'm sure there are many speedwalkers who face this same criticism but it's not 'popular' enough for me, an average Joes, to have all the info) but I can't think of another sport where you COULD go faster if you moved your body faster but it morphs into a different event then.  The closest I can think of is standing long jump but that was booted out of the Olympics in 1912.  

Breaststroke, which spawned butterfly for the same reason, but breaststroke was nevertheless retained.

And why have hurdles and steeplechase then?

I think hurdles & steeplechase are only comparable if you'd support speedwalking hurdles and speedwalking steeplechase.  Otherwise they're running events with obstacles.  My point is that walking, in my mind, is a slower more controlled version of running.  Despite them walking really really fast.  That water jump would be a real challenge if you were walking though.  LOL.  

2012-08-06 12:59 PM
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TriAya - 2012-08-05 5:57 PM

I really do hope this entire thread is in jest. It's the only way I can figure most of the comments.

Yes my response of badminton was mostly in jest.  Several people seem to be quite sensitive however in defending their "sports" on here.  I took the OP's tone to be playful and light, so i went with it. Everybody can calm down a little.

On a serious note, i caught Mike Greenberg on ESPN radio this morning discussing the same topic. According to him Tennis and Soccer should not be included based on the reasoning that any sport in which an Olympic Medal is not viewed as the apex of achievement within that sport should not be included.  Example, most tennis players would take a Wimbledon Championship over an Olympic gold and soccer players would take a World Cup title, etc.  Interesting viewpoint but not sure i agree with the premise.



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lamb_y2003 - 2012-08-06 7:01 AM I'm not saying the speedwalkers aren't fast, nor in fantastic shape.  They are both of  those things without a doubt.  It's just that if you go faster than walking then you're running and THAT to me is the sport because it's the greatest extension of the walking/running movement.  I guess you can look at it as en entirely different beast (and, in line with my previous argument, I'm sure there are many speedwalkers who face this same criticism but it's not 'popular' enough for me, an average Joes, to have all the info) but I can't think of another sport where you COULD go faster if you moved your body faster but it morphs into a different event then.  The closest I can think of is standing long jump but that was booted out of the Olympics in 1912.  

Breaststroke, which spawned butterfly for the same reason, but breaststroke was nevertheless retained.

And why have hurdles and steeplechase then?

I think hurdles & steeplechase are only comparable if you'd support speedwalking hurdles and speedwalking steeplechase.  Otherwise they're running events with obstacles.  My point is that walking, in my mind, is a slower more controlled version of running.  Despite them walking really really fast.  That water jump would be a real challenge if you were walking though.  LOL.  

That's your opinion. However, metabolically and kinesiologically, they are two different methods of locomotion.

Same person who RUNS three miles will burn the same amount of calories under the same conditions regardless of the speed they run at. Walking energy demands are not comparable to run ones in the same way (but they are within walking itself, whether strolling or racewalking).

The biophysics of running are different than those of walking.

You cannot become a faster runner by walking.

You cannot become a faster walker by running.

2012-08-06 1:15 PM
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Fair enough.  I can see both sides.  I cannot argue your science facts because I don't have the knowledge that you do.  However, again in my opinion, if the motto of the Olympics is "faster, higher, stronger" then I contend that you can go faster than speedwalking and it's called running.  I totally understand that your view is that they are walking faster than the other walkers though.  

Agree to disagree?  

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lamb_y2003 - 2012-08-07 2:15 AM

Fair enough.  I can see both sides.  I cannot argue your science facts because I don't have the knowledge that you do.  However, again in my opinion, if the motto of the Olympics is "faster, higher, stronger" then I contend that you can go faster than speedwalking and it's called running.  I totally understand that your view is that they are walking faster than the other walkers though.  

Agree to disagree?  

I would, if the Olympics followed their own motto! The motto's not what determines which sports should and shouldn't be included, though. In quite a few of them, it isn't about getting from point A to point B the fastest ... even when the method of doing so IS comparable (like keirin vs sprinting).

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I really do hope this entire thread is in jest. It's the only way I can figure most of the comments.

Yes my response of badminton was mostly in jest.  Several people seem to be quite sensitive however in defending their "sports" on here.  I took the OP's tone to be playful and light, so i went with it. Everybody can calm down a little.

On a serious note, i caught Mike Greenberg on ESPN radio this morning discussing the same topic. According to him Tennis and Soccer should not be included based on the reasoning that any sport in which an Olympic Medal is not viewed as the apex of achievement within that sport should not be included.  Example, most tennis players would take a Wimbledon Championship over an Olympic gold and soccer players would take a World Cup title, etc.  Interesting viewpoint but not sure i agree with the premise.

Actually Soccer is different in the Olympics as it has an age limit of under 23 years, with only 3 players that can actually be older than 23. So many of the players competing in Soccer, won't be the same players representing their country in the World Cup.

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I really do hope this entire thread is in jest. It's the only way I can figure most of the comments.

Yes my response of badminton was mostly in jest.  Several people seem to be quite sensitive however in defending their "sports" on here.  I took the OP's tone to be playful and light, so i went with it. Everybody can calm down a little.

On a serious note, i caught Mike Greenberg on ESPN radio this morning discussing the same topic. According to him Tennis and Soccer should not be included based on the reasoning that any sport in which an Olympic Medal is not viewed as the apex of achievement within that sport should not be included.  Example, most tennis players would take a Wimbledon Championship over an Olympic gold and soccer players would take a World Cup title, etc.  Interesting viewpoint but not sure i agree with the premise.

Actually Soccer is different in the Olympics as it has an age limit of under 23 years, with only 3 players that can actually be older than 23. So many of the players competing in Soccer, won't be the same players representing their country in the World Cup.

 

I didn't know that about soccer, but i think the NBA is considering a similar age restrictive rule for its players. 



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Handball in Australia? I think you mean netball, handball is pretty much non-existent here. BUT it is HUGE in europe. Just because the US of A does not play a sport does not mean it isn't played!

 

I find it amusing that people from a small sport background would have shots at others from small sports backgrounds. The fact that we are all here, watching, talking about and interested in the olympics, means maybe they have it right!

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alburyscott - 2012-08-06 3:47 PM Just because the US of A does not play a sport does not mean it isn't played!

 

Unfortunately that is the way that most Americans think.  If they haven't heard of it or seen it played, they why the hell have it in the Olympics.

 

I love watching the Olympics because it opens me up to sports that I never would have known about/been interested in.

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alburyscott - 2012-08-07 4:47 AM

Handball in Australia? I think you mean netball, handball is pretty much non-existent here. BUT it is HUGE in europe. Just because the US of A does not play a sport does not mean it isn't played!

 

I find it amusing that people from a small sport background would have shots at others from small sports backgrounds. The fact that we are all here, watching, talking about and interested in the olympics, means maybe they have it right!

YES! I WAS WRONG!!!!!

That almost never happens

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alburyscott - 2012-08-06 1:47 PM

Handball in Australia? I think you mean netball, handball is pretty much non-existent here. BUT it is HUGE in europe. Just because the US of A does not play a sport does not mean it isn't played!

 

I find it amusing that people from a small sport background would have shots at others from small sports backgrounds. The fact that we are all here, watching, talking about and interested in the olympics, means maybe they have it right!

Who said that?

There are TONS of games that are played around the world that I know of.  Hurling in Ireland, Jai-alai, cricket, on and on...  No one from the US of A said they are not played, just maybe dated or not played enough world wide to be in the Olympics.  I'm pretty sure this thread was started in jest.

And no one here thinks american football or baseball should be there for the same reasons and those are "our" games.  Maybe someday, since we invented basketball and volleyball, and they are huge worldwide now.

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