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2012-12-05 5:49 PM

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Subject: Half Ironman Back to Back Weekends?
 I currently very high up on the waitlist for the Vineman Half Ironman but my father wants to do a half ironman with me this upcoming summer. Would it be completely crazy to do Vineman July 14th then head up to Washington for the 70.3 on July 21st?


2012-12-05 6:00 PM
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We see a lot of good questions like this.

It's worth considering this: "What is likely to be the downside?"

If you have an adequate training base and practice good recovery there is likely to be no downside, except getting more fit. Racing is the best training. The more you race, the faster you'll get.

If you enter an Olympic distance event the third week get ready for a new PR.

Have great races!

2012-12-05 6:49 PM
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I personally could not recover from a HIM enough in 1 week to do justice to another.  If your goal is to "complete, not compete" then you would be better off.

Just my $0.02.  It took me a month to feel like I was back to normal after my last HIM.

2012-12-05 9:02 PM
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no.

recovery guideline 3-5days/hour raced.

minimum 3 x 5 = 15 days or 2 weeks and that's a stretch IMHO

2012-12-05 9:18 PM
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Tom Demerly. - 2012-12-05 7:00 PM

We see a lot of good questions like this.

It's worth considering this: "What is likely to be the downside?"

If you have an adequate training base and practice good recovery there is likely to be no downside, except getting more fit. Racing is the best training. The more you race, the faster you'll get.

If you enter an Olympic distance event the third week get ready for a new PR.

Have great races!

Really???  I've only done three HIM's, but after all three I could barely walk for the first couple of days, and it took me a full 3 weeks or so to really feel right again.  I could train after the first few days, but not at full capacity - and to race, especially another 1/2, would have been out of the question.

**Caveat - I know that I recover slowly when I've put myself in the hurt locker, but that's what I expect when I race.**

2012-12-05 9:21 PM
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GoFaster - 2012-12-05 9:18 PM
Tom Demerly. - 2012-12-05 7:00 PM

We see a lot of good questions like this.

It's worth considering this: "What is likely to be the downside?"

If you have an adequate training base and practice good recovery there is likely to be no downside, except getting more fit. Racing is the best training. The more you race, the faster you'll get.

If you enter an Olympic distance event the third week get ready for a new PR.

Have great races!

Really???  I've only done three HIM's, but after all three I could barely walk for the first couple of days, and it took me a full 3 weeks or so to really feel right again.  I could train after the first few days, but not at full capacity - and to race, especially another 1/2, would have been out of the question.

**Caveat - I know that I recover slowly when I've put myself in the hurt locker, but that's what I expect when I race.**

If you're an "all-out" racer, which I suspect you are, then I can see that.  If you're like me (not balls-to-the-wall), I can see this being doable.  Depends on the OP's goals/athleticism/training and such.



2012-12-05 9:22 PM
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wbattaile - 2012-12-05 6:49 PM

I personally could not recover from a HIM enough in 1 week to do justice to another.  If your goal is to "complete, not compete" then you would be better off.

Just my $0.02.  It took me a month to feel like I was back to normal after my last HIM.

Agreed. More time is needed for recovery unless you simply just want to finish. But you will be punishing your body without that recovery..

2012-12-05 10:57 PM
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It's absolutely doable if you have the right training...I know two dudes who did Pumpkin man 70.3 in Vegas on Saturday and then drove back to AZ and did SOMA 70.3  the next day on Sunday. One of those guys placed first overall at Pumpkin man and then came back to place 33rd overall at SOMA...
2012-12-05 11:03 PM
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James Lawrence just did 30 IM distances this year (Iron Cowboy) one of those he towed a disabled kid round for.  Course it's possible...depends on your level of fitness I guess.

http://iron-cowboy/lake-havasu-my-race-with-dayton/

2012-12-05 11:05 PM
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Eh....about 5 miles into the run on the second HIM you'll know if it was a good idea or not.....have fun!! Laughing 
2012-12-05 11:05 PM
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Eh....about 5 miles into the run on the second HIM you'll know if it was a good idea or not.....have fun!! Laughing 


2012-12-06 3:13 AM
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It's certainly doable.

Not that I think it's a good idea *at all* but I know a guy that did IMMT and then flew to Penticton and did IMC the next weekend.  Both overall race times were within 5 mins of each other right around 11:30.  He said he wasn't holding back at IMMT either as it was his A race.

Me personally, I was only starting to walk normally by the next weekend, no way I could have raced anything.

2012-12-06 3:18 AM
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Not quite the same thing but this last season I set a PR in a very hilly half marathon, six days after I buried myself in a 70.3 race. The half marathon hurt, and although I set a PR, I suspect I was at least three minutes off of what I was capable of running. I only offer this up because for most of us it is the run part of the race that is really going to hurt you.

If you want to do this, and I think you can, I would hold back just a littl bit in the first race and then go out and see what you can do in the second. Alternatively, you could go 100% in the first and then just really take the second one easy--maybe so you can race with/finish in close proximity with your dad.
2012-12-06 3:22 AM
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metafizx - 2012-12-06 3:02 AM

no.

recovery guideline 3-5days/hour raced.

minimum 3 x 5 = 15 days or 2 weeks and that's a stretch IMHO

I thought the 'rule of thumb' for recovery after races was 1 day per hour racing?

I think its doable as long as you're not pushing to the limits of your fitness/ability during the races.

2012-12-06 3:28 AM
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wannabefaster - 2012-12-06 9:18 AM Not quite the same thing but this last season I set a PR in a very hilly half marathon, six days after I buried myself in a 70.3 race. The half marathon hurt, and although I set a PR, I suspect I was at least three minutes off of what I was capable of running. I only offer this up because for most of us it is the run part of the race that is really going to hurt you. If you want to do this, and I think you can, I would hold back just a littl bit in the first race and then go out and see what you can do in the second. Alternatively, you could go 100% in the first and then just really take the second one easy--maybe so you can race with/finish in close proximity with your dad.

This.  Plus how cool would it be that you get to do a race with your dad.  If your dad is faster than you, go easy in the first race.  If your dad is slower, go hard in the first.  It will make the second race more fun Wink

2012-12-06 4:22 AM
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TriSte - 2012-12-05 10:22 PM
metafizx - 2012-12-06 3:02 AM

no.

recovery guideline 3-5days/hour raced.

minimum 3 x 5 = 15 days or 2 weeks and that's a stretch IMHO

I thought the 'rule of thumb' for recovery after races was 1 day per hour racing?

I think its doable as long as you're not pushing to the limits of your fitness/ability during the races.

I think it depends what you consider recovery.

http://www.active.com/triathlon/Articles/Determining_Your_Race_Recovery_Time



2012-12-06 7:38 AM
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Of course it can be done. People do all kinds of endurance events back to back weeks including Marathons and IM. I have no idea of your fitness level, but if you are considering it I will assume you can handle it. Have fun and enjoy racing with your dad, I would have loved to have had that opportunity!
2012-12-06 7:40 AM
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Personally, I think the chance to race with your Dad....especially if he wants to do a race with you (how cool is that???!!!)....trumps all considerations about whether you'd be recovered enough to do the second race.  You haven't mentioned anything about wanting to qualify for Vegas so perhaps finish time is not important.  Will you be recovered?  Not really.  Will you be able to do it with your Dad?  More than likely.  Why not just do the race at his pace and find him after the swim and stay together for the rest of the race (legally on the bike of course).  As someone who's Dad passed away last year, I'd give anything to have the chance to be able to race with my Dad at least once. 
2012-12-06 1:28 PM
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As matter of fact, it's so do-able some people do two Half Ironmans in one day.

Some (two here in the U.S.) have even done it in under 8 hours.

 

2012-12-06 1:51 PM
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Tom Demerly. - 2012-12-06 1:28 PM

As matter of fact, it's so do-able some people do two Half Ironmans in one day.

Some (two here in the U.S.) have even done it in under 8 hours.

 

Tom, that's not fair.

The people you're talking about don't do two back-to-back Half Ironmans.

They interleave the sports, and do 2x Half Ironman distance swims before moving on to the bikes, and 2x half-ironman bikes before moving on to do back-to-back Half Ironman runs.  While I haven't seen the studies on this, I'm willing to be that by interleaving the elements like this and skipping TWO WHOLE TRANSITIONS, these people are gaining a huge performance advantage.

2012-12-06 2:31 PM
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Tom Demerly. - 2012-12-06 8:28 AM

As matter of fact, it's so do-able some people do two Half Ironmans in one day.

Some (two here in the U.S.) have even done it in under 8 hours.

 

but Tom, this site is called "Beginner Triathlete".

Most beginners are doing their first sprint, and a HIM is a big goal. IM even bigger.

To suggest back to back weekends are ok for multiple HIMs is one thing (still not what I would recommend), but definitely would not recommend 2 HIMs in one day or one weekend on BT.

MO that "beginners" need to learn about recovery and not destroy themselves early in the process. 

I might expand that to any triathlete actually, once you get to the "advanced" stage, you wouldn't be asking this question on BT (or ST for that matter).



2012-12-07 3:33 PM
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The fact is it's going to hurt to do the second one. But that's no excuse to not do it. Go have fun with your pops. Someday you'll look back and say `I wish I did that race with my dad.' if you skip it to do your own thing or decide you dont want to do both.
2012-12-07 3:46 PM
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It is absolutely foolish to suggest to a person which you don't know that it would be ok for them to do 2 half-iron races 7 days from each other.

...Foolish in the way that somebody else has to pay the consequences for your bad advice.

"Sure...what's the worst that can happen by buying a second home with a line of equity from your first home?"



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2012-12-07 3:58 PM
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lifejustice - 2012-12-07 3:46 PM

It is absolutely foolish to suggest to a person which you don't know that it would be ok for them to do 2 half-iron races 7 days from each other.

...Foolish in the way that somebody else has to pay the consequences for your bad advice.

"Sure...what's the worst that can happen by buying a second home with a line of equity from your first home?"



It's equally foolish to ask such a question, wouldn't you say?
2012-12-07 4:12 PM
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lifejustice - 2012-12-07 1:46 PM

It is absolutely foolish to suggest to a person which you don't know that it would be ok for them to do 2 half-iron races 7 days from each other.

...Foolish in the way that somebody else has to pay the consequences for your bad advice.

"Sure...what's the worst that can happen by buying a second home with a line of equity from your first home?"

Are you kidding me?? I guess since nobody knows this person we all should have just ignored the question?...What an asinine reply to a bunch of people who are answering a question posted on an internet forum.

The OP was asking the people of BT's opinion. They all vary based on the experiences of each individual which I'm assuming the OP was looking for. Why not take it a step further and say that no questions should be answered on BT unless we know the person asking the question?...

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