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2006-06-29 9:10 PM

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Subject: 1st Long Bike (160 mile) Ride questions

This is my first season of tri's and training for any of the three events. I have fallen in love with the bike.  I have joined the local bike club and do 30+ mile rides a couple of times a week. My longest being 50 miles at 17mph. (There was a big hill at the end and I was tired after that ride)  I am interested in the Ride Across Indiana RAIN.  www.rainride.org

I know this is a way open ended question; but is something like that doable for someone with my limited experience?  On one hand, I tell myself its flatter than the rides I am use to, the pace would/could be slower, and there are 3 rest stops and a lunch so I can rest. On the other hand, it's 10+ hours (14 max) in the saddle.  Would I be jumping in over my head? Is there anything I could do in the next two weeks to prepare?  Would I need to plan to have my own SAG support? I am sure there are so many questions I don't even know to ask. But I am really intrigued by this.

Oh yea, did I mention they have real cool jerseys for sale a souvenir for all finishers.   Plus this would go a long way toward my 400 mile goal for July

 Thanks in advance, you guys are great! Any advise appreciated!



2006-06-29 9:23 PM
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Subject: RE: 1st Long Bike (160 mile) Ride questions
I say go for it.  You may hook up with a few people and even get a draft line going and that would make it easier.  Just be sure to plan good nutrition/hydration and you should be fine.
2006-06-29 10:12 PM
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I am not normally the voice of reason on this site -- I usually am the one who tells everyone to go for it. But in your case, I will make an exception.

There is a big difference between 50 and 160 miles. 50 could be tough for you, but even with the stops, 160 will be extremely difficult. Be prepared for some real mental tests around 80, then 100, then 120, then 140, and then 150 miles. It will be very difficult for you to keep going.

That being said, if you are into challenges, go for it. This will be one of the biggest single day challenges you have ever had.

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2006-06-29 10:50 PM
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Okay, is it possible?  Yeah.  Is it smart?  No.

I bought my bike in April 2002 and in June 2002 I did a 136 mile one-way-one day ride through the VERY hilly New England Countryside (it rained cats and dogs for 50 miles too).  But I managed to work up to an 80 mile ride before the thing and I still suffered horribly.  I cannot imagine trying to ride that far after only riding a long ride of 50 miles.  The poster earlier who talked about the 80/120/etc. mile barriers is very right.  80 is a big mental block for me I know.  Being on your bike that long is not easy.

But as for your questions on the actual distance.....stopping for long periods of time to "rest" is the worst thing you can do.  Not only are you eating into your ride time making yourself have to ride faster, but the longer you are off the bike the less you'll want to get back on it.  Rest stops should be no longer than 5-10 minutes.  Enough time to scarf some food, reload your water bottles, restock your pockets, and pee.

As for speed/pace.  Don't blast yourself early trying to keep up with the fast people.  I did that one year in that 136-miler trying to hang on the paceline.  But I was putting out WAY too much effort and it made me suffer later.

Your own sag support is not required, but helpful.  Three rest stops and a lunch?  That's a restock point every 40 miles.  You'd either have to wear a camelback for extra water or hope there are gas stations along the way.  Don't plan on only gels.  You'll be sick of them after 80 miles.  The year I had my own sag vehicle I had a lot more fun.  My two friends who drove it were long drunk by the time I finally finished, but they kept driving up alongside me at various points during the day (before the drinking) and made me smile a lot.

No, there is really nothing you can do in two weeks to prep for that.  I guess if you did 80 miles this weeked and 100 the next you might survive it.  But any less than that and I wouldn't even consider it.

There had better be beer at the end or it isn't worth it.

Gina (grvfrog) is the site's resident long-distance biker and your best bet to answer endurance cyling questions...she is GOOD.

2006-06-30 7:08 AM
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jldicarlo - 2006-06-29 11:50 PM

There had better be beer at the end or it isn't worth it.

Ironically the ride ends at Earlham. It is a Quaker college, and as such does not permit alcohol on campus.   How cruel is that?  That might just be a deal killer as I will be wanting a cold one for sure.

Gina (grvfrog) is the site's resident long-distance biker and your best bet to answer endurance cyling questions...she is GOOD.

I hope she responds; I am hoping to look at this from all angles.  I'd probably have my Dad as SAG support, so I'd hate to flame out and have to quit.

2006-06-30 7:11 AM
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To go from a max of 50 to 160 in two weeks?? Unless you are doing that max of 50 a few times a week I would highly advise against trying the 160 ........

Ultra-distance bike rides (and runs) are all about time in the saddle and long day training. Like an Ironman the ride itself is about pacing and nutrition. So you've got two things going against you. You don't have any experience/plan for the nutrition (what happens at 120 miles when you can't eat solid food anymore, and have real issues with sweet drinks), and what happens when your body wants to shut down because it has never gone that far??

Do I think you could try and even accomplish it?? Of course! Would I recommend it as an experienced cyclist?? No. There is always next year.

(I eventually would like to have a go at doing the RAAM some time in the future, but until I am logging 7 - 8,000 miles a year on the bike that ain't gonna happen).


2006-06-30 7:24 AM
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Daremo - 2006-06-30 7:11 AM To go from a max of 50 to 160 in two weeks?? Unless you are doing that max of 50 a few times a week I would highly advise against trying the 160 ........ Ultra-distance bike rides (and runs) are all about time in the saddle and long day training. Like an Ironman the ride itself is about pacing and nutrition. So you've got two things going against you. You don't have any experience/plan for the nutrition (what happens at 120 miles when you can't eat solid food anymore, and have real issues with sweet drinks), and what happens when your body wants to shut down because it has never gone that far?? Do I think you could try and even accomplish it?? Of course! Would I recommend it as an experienced cyclist?? No. There is always next year. (I eventually would like to have a go at doing the RAAM some time in the future, but until I am logging 7 - 8,000 miles a year on the bike that ain't gonna happen).

x2   I've done several 50-90 miles ride over the past 6 months, and just did my 1st century (actually 111 miles) a few weeks ago at LP. DUDE, riding those extra 20 miles kicked my a$$ big time   Granted I rode a bit faster of my current capabilities but I can’t imagine jumping to 150+ miles right now without having a VERY hard and loooong day even if riding at a very easy pace…
2006-06-30 11:04 AM
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I would say no.  You're tripling your longest ride and that is hard to do.

Last year I had some rides of about 30-35 miles and then did a 55 mile organized ride.  You'd think that 20 miles more wouldn't be that big of a deal, but I actually had to bail at 50 miles and get a ride back to the start.  I was just wiped out and I couldn't keep going.

However, it does depend on the course profile.  Is it mostly flat, or is it "challenging" (euphemism for - let's add some - Lots! - of really steep hills!)  If it's flat I'd say maybe.  If it's challenging, I'd say no way - on the 3rd monster climb you will be hating life.

Do a 100 mile ride this weekend and then decide. 

2006-06-30 11:13 AM
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cadreamer - 2006-06-30 11:04 AM

Do a 100 mile ride this weekend and then decide. 

That's not a bad idea.

2006-06-30 12:01 PM
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Thanks for all of the replies.  I guess my normal ways of "winging it" won't work here.  I have no clue on how to address the nutition issues.  I was hoping a flatter course would equate to a easier albeit longer ride. Looks like I have many more issues to consider.

I guess I'll just stick to my goal of getting a century ride in sometime this year and mark my calendar for RAIN next year. But man I wanted one of those jerseys

2006-06-30 12:05 PM
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crouse - 2006-06-30 10:01 AM

Thanks for all of the replies.  I guess my normal ways of "winging it" won't work here.  I have no clue on how to address the nutition issues.  I was hoping a flatter course would equate to a easier albeit longer ride. Looks like I have many more issues to consider.

I guess I'll just stick to my goal of getting a century ride in sometime this year and mark my calendar for RAIN next year. But man I wanted one of those jerseys



Yeah, be smart and work up to it. I think you can always push the envelope and attempt something that you may think right now may be very difficult. Why not start with that century like you suggest and get back to us.

You really need to have a nutrition plan for a ride of this length. You need to know what you can consume, how many calories an hour your body can handle, how much water you can stomach, and how often you can stand to eat and drink. You also need to make some nutritional mistakes along the way to figure out how to correct your stomach when it goes south. For a 20 mile ride, these aren't big issues. You could even fake your way through a 40 miler. But a 160 miler, no way.

And trust me, there will always be another jersey.

Mike

Edited by Rollin' Thunder 2006-06-30 12:08 PM


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