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Yes. You have to train for the distance you're racing.

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JZig - 2013-02-14 11:30 AM Yes. You have to train for the distance you're racing.

Pretty much sums it up.

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For any single one of those sports it's possible. 60mpw during marathon training is perfectly realistic. Any I don't think too many people would argue that volume is important in endurance sports.

It's also quite unrealistic for the average AG triathlete trying to have a career and a family.

Swim = 2.4 miles = 4220 yds x 9/3 = 12,660yds
Bike = 112 miles x 8/3 = 300 miles
Run = 26.2 x 7/3 = 60 miles

So assume during training an average AG'er swims 2:00min/100yds, bikes 18mph (hills, stops, etc.), and runs an 8:30 mile. I'm pulling numbers at random, obviously. Swim is 6.3 hours, bike is 17.65 hours, run is 8.5 hours. Close to 32.5 hours. Which is yet another reason we're AG'ers and not pro's

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BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-14 10:50 AM

For any single one of those sports it's possible. 60mpw during marathon training is perfectly realistic. Any I don't think too many people would argue that volume is important in endurance sports.

It's also quite unrealistic for the average AG triathlete trying to have a career and a family.

Swim = 2.4 miles = 4220 yds x 9/3 = 12,660yds
Bike = 112 miles x 8/3 = 300 miles
Run = 26.2 x 7/3 = 60 miles

So assume during training an average AG'er swims 2:00min/100yds, bikes 18mph (hills, stops, etc.), and runs an 8:30 mile. I'm pulling numbers at random, obviously. Swim is 6.3 hours, bike is 17.65 hours, run is 8.5 hours. Close to 32.5 hours. Which is yet another reason we're AG'ers and not pro's

Isn't that the truth!! Wouldn't it be great to have 32 hours a week to train? Or maybe it wouldn't be so great, it might feel like a job then!

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kingofbanff - 2013-02-14 9:20 AM This article just seems to ooze common sense. I never could grasp the idea that just because I can run a 5k in 20:30 I can run a marathon in 3:18. It seemed to me I would have to run longer distances than 5k but that never seemed to be addressed.
Really looking forward to the various points of view on this.

Even for running 5k or 10k, you'll find most runners would be better served doing marathon plan volume, but split up a bit differently. Elite 5k racers still run 100+ mpw and the bulk of it is pretty easy.

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TriBoilermaker - 2013-02-14 12:32 PM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-14 10:50 AM

For any single one of those sports it's possible. 60mpw during marathon training is perfectly realistic. Any I don't think too many people would argue that volume is important in endurance sports.

It's also quite unrealistic for the average AG triathlete trying to have a career and a family.

Swim = 2.4 miles = 4220 yds x 9/3 = 12,660yds
Bike = 112 miles x 8/3 = 300 miles
Run = 26.2 x 7/3 = 60 miles

So assume during training an average AG'er swims 2:00min/100yds, bikes 18mph (hills, stops, etc.), and runs an 8:30 mile. I'm pulling numbers at random, obviously. Swim is 6.3 hours, bike is 17.65 hours, run is 8.5 hours. Close to 32.5 hours. Which is yet another reason we're AG'ers and not pro's

Isn't that the truth!! Wouldn't it be great to have 32 hours a week to train? Or maybe it wouldn't be so great, it might feel like a job then!

Frankly, when I start getting up around 20 hours per week during peak training weeks, it does start to feel like a second job!

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Patrick E - 2013-02-14 2:52 PM

TriBoilermaker - 2013-02-14 12:32 PM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-14 10:50 AM

For any single one of those sports it's possible. 60mpw during marathon training is perfectly realistic. Any I don't think too many people would argue that volume is important in endurance sports.

It's also quite unrealistic for the average AG triathlete trying to have a career and a family.

Swim = 2.4 miles = 4220 yds x 9/3 = 12,660yds
Bike = 112 miles x 8/3 = 300 miles
Run = 26.2 x 7/3 = 60 miles

So assume during training an average AG'er swims 2:00min/100yds, bikes 18mph (hills, stops, etc.), and runs an 8:30 mile. I'm pulling numbers at random, obviously. Swim is 6.3 hours, bike is 17.65 hours, run is 8.5 hours. Close to 32.5 hours. Which is yet another reason we're AG'ers and not pro's

Isn't that the truth!! Wouldn't it be great to have 32 hours a week to train? Or maybe it wouldn't be so great, it might feel like a job then!

Frankly, when I start getting up around 20 hours per week during peak training weeks, it does start to feel like a second job!

wait a minute, you guys work?

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FELTGood - 2013-02-14 12:02 PM

Patrick E - 2013-02-14 2:52 PM

TriBoilermaker - 2013-02-14 12:32 PM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-14 10:50 AM

For any single one of those sports it's possible. 60mpw during marathon training is perfectly realistic. Any I don't think too many people would argue that volume is important in endurance sports.

It's also quite unrealistic for the average AG triathlete trying to have a career and a family.

Swim = 2.4 miles = 4220 yds x 9/3 = 12,660yds
Bike = 112 miles x 8/3 = 300 miles
Run = 26.2 x 7/3 = 60 miles

So assume during training an average AG'er swims 2:00min/100yds, bikes 18mph (hills, stops, etc.), and runs an 8:30 mile. I'm pulling numbers at random, obviously. Swim is 6.3 hours, bike is 17.65 hours, run is 8.5 hours. Close to 32.5 hours. Which is yet another reason we're AG'ers and not pro's

Isn't that the truth!! Wouldn't it be great to have 32 hours a week to train? Or maybe it wouldn't be so great, it might feel like a job then!

Frankly, when I start getting up around 20 hours per week during peak training weeks, it does start to feel like a second job!

wait a minute, you guys work?

Not very hard.

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Subject: RE: Great article - I've been looking for this for a year

BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-14 10:50 AM

For any single one of those sports it's possible. 60mpw during marathon training is perfectly realistic. Any I don't think too many people would argue that volume is important in endurance sports.

It's also quite unrealistic for the average AG triathlete trying to have a career and a family.

Swim = 2.4 miles = 4220 yds x 9/3 = 12,660yds
Bike = 112 miles x 8/3 = 300 miles
Run = 26.2 x 7/3 = 60 miles

So assume during training an average AG'er swims 2:00min/100yds, bikes 18mph (hills, stops, etc.), and runs an 8:30 mile. I'm pulling numbers at random, obviously. Swim is 6.3 hours, bike is 17.65 hours, run is 8.5 hours. Close to 32.5 hours. Which is yet another reason we're AG'ers and not pro's

Let's come from a different angle:

Workdays:

Commute daily 1hr

Work Daily 10hr

Everyday

Eating Daily 2hr

Bathroom 1hr

Sleep 8hr

Total hours consumed with living per week : 132hr

Hours in the week: 168hr

Hours left to train 36hr

What are you whining about?

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timf79 - 2013-02-14 3:25 PM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-14 10:50 AM

For any single one of those sports it's possible. 60mpw during marathon training is perfectly realistic. Any I don't think too many people would argue that volume is important in endurance sports.

It's also quite unrealistic for the average AG triathlete trying to have a career and a family.

Swim = 2.4 miles = 4220 yds x 9/3 = 12,660yds
Bike = 112 miles x 8/3 = 300 miles
Run = 26.2 x 7/3 = 60 miles

So assume during training an average AG'er swims 2:00min/100yds, bikes 18mph (hills, stops, etc.), and runs an 8:30 mile. I'm pulling numbers at random, obviously. Swim is 6.3 hours, bike is 17.65 hours, run is 8.5 hours. Close to 32.5 hours. Which is yet another reason we're AG'ers and not pro's

Let's come from a different angle:

Workdays:

Commute daily 1hr

Work Daily 10hr

Everyday

Eating Daily 2hr

Bathroom 1hr

Sleep 8hr

Total hours consumed with living per week : 132hr

Hours in the week: 168hr

Hours left to train 36hr

What are you whining about?

You forgot to add in time to spend with your daughters (3) and wife.

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If only I could find a way to make money in triathlon. HAH!

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Qwk - 2013-02-15 7:36 AM

timf79 - 2013-02-14 3:25 PM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-14 10:50 AM

For any single one of those sports it's possible. 60mpw during marathon training is perfectly realistic. Any I don't think too many people would argue that volume is important in endurance sports.

It's also quite unrealistic for the average AG triathlete trying to have a career and a family.

Swim = 2.4 miles = 4220 yds x 9/3 = 12,660yds
Bike = 112 miles x 8/3 = 300 miles
Run = 26.2 x 7/3 = 60 miles

So assume during training an average AG'er swims 2:00min/100yds, bikes 18mph (hills, stops, etc.), and runs an 8:30 mile. I'm pulling numbers at random, obviously. Swim is 6.3 hours, bike is 17.65 hours, run is 8.5 hours. Close to 32.5 hours. Which is yet another reason we're AG'ers and not pro's

Let's come from a different angle:

Workdays:

Commute daily 1hr

Work Daily 10hr

Everyday

Eating Daily 2hr

Bathroom 1hr

Sleep 8hr

Total hours consumed with living per week : 132hr

Hours in the week: 168hr

Hours left to train 36hr

What are you whining about?

You forgot to add in time to spend with your daughters (3) and wife.

Yeah - you sure as heck aint getting any action in that week!

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JZig - 2013-02-14 3:14 PM

FELTGood - 2013-02-14 12:02 PM

Patrick E - 2013-02-14 2:52 PM

TriBoilermaker - 2013-02-14 12:32 PM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-14 10:50 AM

For any single one of those sports it's possible. 60mpw during marathon training is perfectly realistic. Any I don't think too many people would argue that volume is important in endurance sports.

It's also quite unrealistic for the average AG triathlete trying to have a career and a family.

Swim = 2.4 miles = 4220 yds x 9/3 = 12,660yds
Bike = 112 miles x 8/3 = 300 miles
Run = 26.2 x 7/3 = 60 miles

So assume during training an average AG'er swims 2:00min/100yds, bikes 18mph (hills, stops, etc.), and runs an 8:30 mile. I'm pulling numbers at random, obviously. Swim is 6.3 hours, bike is 17.65 hours, run is 8.5 hours. Close to 32.5 hours. Which is yet another reason we're AG'ers and not pro's

Isn't that the truth!! Wouldn't it be great to have 32 hours a week to train? Or maybe it wouldn't be so great, it might feel like a job then!

Frankly, when I start getting up around 20 hours per week during peak training weeks, it does start to feel like a second job!

wait a minute, you guys work?

Not very hard.

Charge a high rate and you can do less billable hours

Sometimes I feel my second job is laundry.

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timf79 - 2013-02-14 3:25 PM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-14 10:50 AM

For any single one of those sports it's possible. 60mpw during marathon training is perfectly realistic. Any I don't think too many people would argue that volume is important in endurance sports.

It's also quite unrealistic for the average AG triathlete trying to have a career and a family.

Swim = 2.4 miles = 4220 yds x 9/3 = 12,660yds
Bike = 112 miles x 8/3 = 300 miles
Run = 26.2 x 7/3 = 60 miles

So assume during training an average AG'er swims 2:00min/100yds, bikes 18mph (hills, stops, etc.), and runs an 8:30 mile. I'm pulling numbers at random, obviously. Swim is 6.3 hours, bike is 17.65 hours, run is 8.5 hours. Close to 32.5 hours. Which is yet another reason we're AG'ers and not pro's

Let's come from a different angle:

Workdays:

Commute daily 1hr

Work Daily 10hr

Everyday

Eating Daily 2hr

Bathroom 1hr

Sleep 8hr

Total hours consumed with living per week : 132hr

Hours in the week: 168hr

Hours left to train 36hr

What are you whining about?

I'm assuming you're multitasking, so that 10 hour work day can overlap with the 6 hours of surfing the interwebs

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Subject: RE: Great article - I've been looking for this for a year

BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-14 5:14 PM

timf79 - 2013-02-14 3:25 PM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-14 10:50 AM

For any single one of those sports it's possible. 60mpw during marathon training is perfectly realistic. Any I don't think too many people would argue that volume is important in endurance sports.

It's also quite unrealistic for the average AG triathlete trying to have a career and a family.

Swim = 2.4 miles = 4220 yds x 9/3 = 12,660yds
Bike = 112 miles x 8/3 = 300 miles
Run = 26.2 x 7/3 = 60 miles

So assume during training an average AG'er swims 2:00min/100yds, bikes 18mph (hills, stops, etc.), and runs an 8:30 mile. I'm pulling numbers at random, obviously. Swim is 6.3 hours, bike is 17.65 hours, run is 8.5 hours. Close to 32.5 hours. Which is yet another reason we're AG'ers and not pro's

Let's come from a different angle:

Workdays:

Commute daily 1hr

Work Daily 10hr

Everyday

Eating Daily 2hr

Bathroom 1hr

Sleep 8hr

Total hours consumed with living per week : 132hr

Hours in the week: 168hr

Hours left to train 36hr

What are you whining about?

I'm assuming you're multitasking, so that 10 hour work day can overlap with the 6 hours of surfing the interwebs

With BT's help you should have no problem combining commuting, bathroom and eating all into training hours as well...

Edited by JZig 2013-02-14 8:03 PM

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BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-14 10:50 AM

For any single one of those sports it's possible. 60mpw during marathon training is perfectly realistic. Any I don't think too many people would argue that volume is important in endurance sports.

It's also quite unrealistic for the average AG triathlete trying to have a career and a family.

Swim = 2.4 miles = 4220 yds x 9/3 = 12,660yds
Bike = 112 miles x 8/3 = 300 miles
Run = 26.2 x 7/3 = 60 miles

So assume during training an average AG'er swims 2:00min/100yds, bikes 18mph (hills, stops, etc.), and runs an 8:30 mile. I'm pulling numbers at random, obviously. Swim is 6.3 hours, bike is 17.65 hours, run is 8.5 hours. Close to 32.5 hours. Which is yet another reason we're AG'ers and not pro's

I just went over the match and not sure how you get 6.3 hours of swim?

12,660yds / 100yds = 126.6

126.6 * 2minutes= 253.2 minutes

253.2minutes/60= 4.22 hours or 4hours and 13minutes

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timf79 - 2013-02-28 10:14 AM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-14 10:50 AM

For any single one of those sports it's possible. 60mpw during marathon training is perfectly realistic. Any I don't think too many people would argue that volume is important in endurance sports.

It's also quite unrealistic for the average AG triathlete trying to have a career and a family.

Swim = 2.4 miles = 4220 yds x 9/3 = 12,660yds
Bike = 112 miles x 8/3 = 300 miles
Run = 26.2 x 7/3 = 60 miles

So assume during training an average AG'er swims 2:00min/100yds, bikes 18mph (hills, stops, etc.), and runs an 8:30 mile. I'm pulling numbers at random, obviously. Swim is 6.3 hours, bike is 17.65 hours, run is 8.5 hours. Close to 32.5 hours. Which is yet another reason we're AG'ers and not pro's

I just went over the match and not sure how you get 6.3 hours of swim?

12,660yds / 100yds = 126.6

126.6 * 2minutes= 253.2 minutes

253.2minutes/60= 4.22 hours or 4hours and 13minutes

Awesome, you revived a two week old thread to fix my math.

OK, so that drops it to 30.4 hours of training a week, much more reasonable!

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BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-28 9:45 AM

timf79 - 2013-02-28 10:14 AM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-14 10:50 AM

For any single one of those sports it's possible. 60mpw during marathon training is perfectly realistic. Any I don't think too many people would argue that volume is important in endurance sports.

It's also quite unrealistic for the average AG triathlete trying to have a career and a family.

Swim = 2.4 miles = 4220 yds x 9/3 = 12,660yds
Bike = 112 miles x 8/3 = 300 miles
Run = 26.2 x 7/3 = 60 miles

So assume during training an average AG'er swims 2:00min/100yds, bikes 18mph (hills, stops, etc.), and runs an 8:30 mile. I'm pulling numbers at random, obviously. Swim is 6.3 hours, bike is 17.65 hours, run is 8.5 hours. Close to 32.5 hours. Which is yet another reason we're AG'ers and not pro's

I just went over the match and not sure how you get 6.3 hours of swim?

12,660yds / 100yds = 126.6

126.6 * 2minutes= 253.2 minutes

253.2minutes/60= 4.22 hours or 4hours and 13minutes

Awesome, you revived a two week old thread to fix my math.

OK, so that drops it to 30.4 hours of training a week, much more reasonable!

I assumed it was for all the kicksets, drills, and rest intervals.

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timf79 - 2013-02-14 12:25 PM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-14 10:50 AM

For any single one of those sports it's possible. 60mpw during marathon training is perfectly realistic. Any I don't think too many people would argue that volume is important in endurance sports.

It's also quite unrealistic for the average AG triathlete trying to have a career and a family.

Swim = 2.4 miles = 4220 yds x 9/3 = 12,660yds
Bike = 112 miles x 8/3 = 300 miles
Run = 26.2 x 7/3 = 60 miles

So assume during training an average AG'er swims 2:00min/100yds, bikes 18mph (hills, stops, etc.), and runs an 8:30 mile. I'm pulling numbers at random, obviously. Swim is 6.3 hours, bike is 17.65 hours, run is 8.5 hours. Close to 32.5 hours. Which is yet another reason we're AG'ers and not pro's

Let's come from a different angle:

Workdays:

Commute daily 1hr

Work Daily 10hr

Everyday

Eating Daily 2hr

Bathroom 1hr

Sleep 8hr

Total hours consumed with living per week : 132hr

Hours in the week: 168hr

Hours left to train 36hr

What are you whining about?

Bathroom 1hr?? Pee on the bike!

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brigby1 - 2013-02-28 10:47 AM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-28 9:45 AM

timf79 - 2013-02-28 10:14 AM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-14 10:50 AM

For any single one of those sports it's possible. 60mpw during marathon training is perfectly realistic. Any I don't think too many people would argue that volume is important in endurance sports.

It's also quite unrealistic for the average AG triathlete trying to have a career and a family.

Swim = 2.4 miles = 4220 yds x 9/3 = 12,660yds
Bike = 112 miles x 8/3 = 300 miles
Run = 26.2 x 7/3 = 60 miles

So assume during training an average AG'er swims 2:00min/100yds, bikes 18mph (hills, stops, etc.), and runs an 8:30 mile. I'm pulling numbers at random, obviously. Swim is 6.3 hours, bike is 17.65 hours, run is 8.5 hours. Close to 32.5 hours. Which is yet another reason we're AG'ers and not pro's

I just went over the match and not sure how you get 6.3 hours of swim?

12,660yds / 100yds = 126.6

126.6 * 2minutes= 253.2 minutes

253.2minutes/60= 4.22 hours or 4hours and 13minutes

Awesome, you revived a two week old thread to fix my math.

OK, so that drops it to 30.4 hours of training a week, much more reasonable!

I assumed it was for all the kicksets, drills, and rest intervals.

Chalk it up to peeing and flip turn training

That is a bad math error though.

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BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-28 9:45 AM

timf79 - 2013-02-28 10:14 AM

BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-14 10:50 AM

For any single one of those sports it's possible. 60mpw during marathon training is perfectly realistic. Any I don't think too many people would argue that volume is important in endurance sports.

It's also quite unrealistic for the average AG triathlete trying to have a career and a family.

Swim = 2.4 miles = 4220 yds x 9/3 = 12,660yds
Bike = 112 miles x 8/3 = 300 miles
Run = 26.2 x 7/3 = 60 miles

So assume during training an average AG'er swims 2:00min/100yds, bikes 18mph (hills, stops, etc.), and runs an 8:30 mile. I'm pulling numbers at random, obviously. Swim is 6.3 hours, bike is 17.65 hours, run is 8.5 hours. Close to 32.5 hours. Which is yet another reason we're AG'ers and not pro's

I just went over the match and not sure how you get 6.3 hours of swim?

12,660yds / 100yds = 126.6

126.6 * 2minutes= 253.2 minutes

253.2minutes/60= 4.22 hours or 4hours and 13minutes

Awesome, you revived a two week old thread to fix my math.

OK, so that drops it to 30.4 hours of training a week, much more reasonable!

It is tough, but someone had to do it.

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kingofbanff - 2013-02-14 9:20 AM

This article just seems to ooze common sense. I never could grasp the idea that just because I can run a 5k in 20:30 I can run a marathon in 3:18. It seemed to me I would have to run longer distances than 5k but that never seemed to be addressed.
Really looking forward to the various points of view on this.

I dont' think anyone ever said you could run a 3:18 marathon if you never run longer than 5k. Fatigue index is a component of your fitness. If you don't train the distance the fatigue index rises so quickly you'll never last long beyond your training distance. the volumes that article discusses are all relative and "system failure" isn't really defined. Previous threads are around on this article.

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