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2013-02-28 11:20 AM |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... Macca tried to go the other way and it didn't work so well ... http://triathlete-europe.competitor.com/2013/02/28/brownlee-will-go... |
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2013-02-28 11:33 AM in reply to: #4640477 |
Elite 2998 Fishers, Indiana | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... Actually Macca tried to go BACK down. He came up through the Olympic distance racing to the Iron distance and then tried back down. It seems quite a few of those racing short distance do decent when they move up. Michellie Jones, Miranda Carfrae, Andy Potts, Tim O'Donnell, and a bunch of others whom I can't think of off the top of my head. It'll be interesting to see how someone with his level of talent at the short course adapts to the long course. I bet he rocks at the 70.3 distance for sure. |
2013-02-28 11:35 AM in reply to: #4640477 |
Expert 3145 Scottsdale, AZ | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... Be interesting to see if he's durable enough. Too bad we have to wait 3+ more years in order to find out. |
2013-02-28 1:05 PM in reply to: #4640510 |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... thebigb - 2013-02-28 9:35 AM Be interesting to see if he's durable enough. Too bad we have to wait 3+ more years in order to find out. Seems like a long way out to make much over it. |
2013-02-28 1:14 PM in reply to: #4640668 |
Master 4118 Toronto | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... popsracer - 2013-02-28 2:05 PM thebigb - 2013-02-28 9:35 AM Be interesting to see if he's durable enough. Too bad we have to wait 3+ more years in order to find out. Seems like a long way out to make much over it. Didn't it say he was doing Abu Dhabi this year? That could be a good preview. I know its not iron distance by any stretch of the imagination but the 100k TT bike leg is a big departure from the ITU racing. I will be curious to see how he fares at that. |
2013-02-28 1:21 PM in reply to: #4640685 |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... juniperjen - 2013-02-28 11:14 AM popsracer - 2013-02-28 2:05 PM thebigb - 2013-02-28 9:35 AM Be interesting to see if he's durable enough. Too bad we have to wait 3+ more years in order to find out. Seems like a long way out to make much over it. Didn't it say he was doing Abu Dhabi this year? That could be a good preview. I know its not iron distance by any stretch of the imagination but the 100k TT bike leg is a big departure from the ITU racing. I will be curious to see how he fares at that. I suspect he would do quite well. He is one tough cookie and as Brittany said these guys seem to transition to the longer distances well. |
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2013-02-28 1:44 PM in reply to: #4640703 |
Master 4118 Toronto | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... Oh you're probably right - but it will be interesting to guage how much of a benefit he takes from the drafting style of the ITU races (for a much shorter distance) - he usually keeps with the pack and then demolishes everyone on the run ... for Abu Dhabi with the bike leg taking a more disproportionate amount of the race - it would seem the advantage is for the 'cyclist' triathletes. |
2013-02-28 2:00 PM in reply to: #4640477 |
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2013-02-28 2:06 PM in reply to: #4640741 |
Elite 2998 Fishers, Indiana | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... juniperjen - 2013-02-28 11:44 AM Oh you're probably right - but it will be interesting to guage how much of a benefit he takes from the drafting style of the ITU races (for a much shorter distance) - he usually keeps with the pack and then demolishes everyone on the run ... for Abu Dhabi with the bike leg taking a more disproportionate amount of the race - it would seem the advantage is for the 'cyclist' triathletes. He is doing Abu Dhabi, but he's doing the International Distance, not the Long Course distance one. |
2013-02-28 2:10 PM in reply to: #4640783 |
Master 4118 Toronto | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... TexasMPGal - 2013-02-28 3:06 PM juniperjen - 2013-02-28 11:44 AM Oh you're probably right - but it will be interesting to guage how much of a benefit he takes from the drafting style of the ITU races (for a much shorter distance) - he usually keeps with the pack and then demolishes everyone on the run ... for Abu Dhabi with the bike leg taking a more disproportionate amount of the race - it would seem the advantage is for the 'cyclist' triathletes. He is doing Abu Dhabi, but he's doing the International Distance, not the Long Course distance one. It is a 100k bike leg ... even with the 1.5k swim and 10k run which he is very very good at - this is still a long distance on the bike in a non-draft setting. Again, he'll probably rock it but it is a different style race for him. If we wanted anything to analyze before 2016. |
2013-02-28 2:19 PM in reply to: #4640477 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... Many of the best marathoners were top 10k runners. It is likely that many of the 'best' triathletes reside at the ITU level and some of them would/will do quite well at the longer distances if/when they decide to try them. |
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2013-02-28 2:44 PM in reply to: #4640792 |
Master 4118 Toronto | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... juniperjen - 2013-02-28 3:10 PM TexasMPGal - 2013-02-28 3:06 PM juniperjen - 2013-02-28 11:44 AM Oh you're probably right - but it will be interesting to guage how much of a benefit he takes from the drafting style of the ITU races (for a much shorter distance) - he usually keeps with the pack and then demolishes everyone on the run ... for Abu Dhabi with the bike leg taking a more disproportionate amount of the race - it would seem the advantage is for the 'cyclist' triathletes. He is doing Abu Dhabi, but he's doing the International Distance, not the Long Course distance one. It is a 100k bike leg ... even with the 1.5k swim and 10k run which he is very very good at - this is still a long distance on the bike in a non-draft setting. Again, he'll probably rock it but it is a different style race for him. If we wanted anything to analyze before 2016. Right, and you're probably getting at that the competition won't be as tough as it will be for the long ... got it. True enough, the big event is not the international. |
2013-02-28 3:32 PM in reply to: #4640477 |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... How does the prize money differ between ITU and WTC? I am sure that for professional athletes they are going to follow the biggest, best opportunity to make a living. |
2013-02-28 3:35 PM in reply to: #4640477 |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... mr2tony - 2013-02-28 11:20 AM Macca tried to go the other way and it didn't work so well ...
We talking about the same Macca? Edited by msteiner 2013-02-28 3:36 PM |
2013-02-28 4:45 PM in reply to: #4640477 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... The ITU racers usually do well when they move up, especially those that develope speed from a young age like the Brownlee's. It's hard to match the speed that they can generate if you start later. I spend alot of time at ITU races......it's crazy fast....16-19 year olds running 15:XX - 16:XX 5K off the bike, and the bike is no joke, there just isn't much room to show much bike strength trying to escape a pack that's cruising at 25-28 mph. Edited by Left Brain 2013-02-28 4:48 PM |
2013-02-28 4:47 PM in reply to: #4640741 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... juniperjen - 2013-02-28 3:44 PM Oh you're probably right - but it will be interesting to guage how much of a benefit he takes from the drafting style of the ITU races (for a much shorter distance) - he usually keeps with the pack and then demolishes everyone on the run For most races this is not his style at all; he tries to be in the lead pack out of the water and then will work hard to keep the lead pack off the front. If the leaders get swallowed up, you can usually find him at or near the front and he'll often take off, either in a break or sometimes solo just to ensure that the pack isn't soft pedalling through the bike. Then, he is still able to get off and bury everyone on the run. He definitely doesn't need to race this way to win on the circuit but he still psuhes each leg and swims and rides harder than he needs to as he could just rely on his run speed to allow him to win many events. Shane |
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2013-02-28 9:06 PM in reply to: #4641077 |
Master 2563 University Park, MD | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... gsmacleod - 2013-02-28 5:47 PM juniperjen - 2013-02-28 3:44 PM Oh you're probably right - but it will be interesting to guage how much of a benefit he takes from the drafting style of the ITU races (for a much shorter distance) - he usually keeps with the pack and then demolishes everyone on the run For most races this is not his style at all; he tries to be in the lead pack out of the water and then will work hard to keep the lead pack off the front. If the leaders get swallowed up, you can usually find him at or near the front and he'll often take off, either in a break or sometimes solo just to ensure that the pack isn't soft pedalling through the bike. Then, he is still able to get off and bury everyone on the run. He definitely doesn't need to race this way to win on the circuit but he still psuhes each leg and swims and rides harder than he needs to as he could just rely on his run speed to allow him to win many events. ShaneExactly right. Alistair is one of the more aggressive riders in ITU, and he definitely doesn't attempt to simply be dragged along by the pack. Watch the bike leg from last summer's Olympics for example: he's attacking all the time. The big question mark, from my perspective, would be avoiding bonking and heat exhaustion. Alistair is as tough as nails, but he struggles in the heat (e.g., HyVee last year), and he has had examples of simply running out of gas late in an ITU event (e.g., London world series race in 2011, where he fell apart in the last 1k, barely made it to the finish line). |
2013-03-01 12:35 AM in reply to: #4641326 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... colinphillips - 2013-02-28 9:06 PM gsmacleod - 2013-02-28 5:47 PM juniperjen - 2013-02-28 3:44 PM Oh you're probably right - but it will be interesting to guage how much of a benefit he takes from the drafting style of the ITU races (for a much shorter distance) - he usually keeps with the pack and then demolishes everyone on the run For most races this is not his style at all; he tries to be in the lead pack out of the water and then will work hard to keep the lead pack off the front. If the leaders get swallowed up, you can usually find him at or near the front and he'll often take off, either in a break or sometimes solo just to ensure that the pack isn't soft pedalling through the bike. Then, he is still able to get off and bury everyone on the run. He definitely doesn't need to race this way to win on the circuit but he still psuhes each leg and swims and rides harder than he needs to as he could just rely on his run speed to allow him to win many events. ShaneExactly right. Alistair is one of the more aggressive riders in ITU, and he definitely doesn't attempt to simply be dragged along by the pack. Watch the bike leg from last summer's Olympics for example: he's attacking all the time. The big question mark, from my perspective, would be avoiding bonking and heat exhaustion. Alistair is as tough as nails, but he struggles in the heat (e.g., HyVee last year), and he has had examples of simply running out of gas late in an ITU event (e.g., London world series race in 2011, where he fell apart in the last 1k, barely made it to the finish line). I was at that race....and yeah, he was whipped. BUT.....I don't think you can take much from a post-olympics event....across most sports Olympic champions have a bit of a letdown afterwards. That being said, Kemper had a great race at HyVee so maybe you are on to something as far as heat acclimation. Kemper spent a big part of the day before that race doing Ironkid appearance work and he still made a showing. I can tell you this, Brownlee was just fine with his race and was all smiles afterwards......it was a nice paycheck for those guys. |
2013-03-01 8:40 AM in reply to: #4640477 |
Veteran 486 Newcastle, England | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... It's about time (even tho we have to wait) that a Brit steps in to dominate male IM distance racing |
2013-03-01 9:30 AM in reply to: #4640477 |
Elite 3060 N Carolina | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... I didn't see Ironman or 140.6 mentioned in that article. Only in the title. Are we (and the reporter) making incorrect assumptions? Edited by japarker24 2013-03-01 9:32 AM |
2013-03-01 4:44 PM in reply to: #4641908 |
Extreme Veteran 378 Acton, Ontario | Subject: RE: Alistair Brownlee to race iron distance ... perhaps this needs a new thread, 10,000m at Commonwealth games? That's just crazy talk http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2286454/Alistair-Brownlee-Mo-Farah-battle-10-000-metres-Commonwealth-Games.html
If he does IM, I think it will be at least 5 years. |
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2013-03-02 4:42 PM in reply to: #4640806 |
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