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2013-04-17 8:22 AM

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Looks like TomTom is coming out with a sports watch geared specifically for triathletes.  I'm excited as it's been awhile since a good dedicated watch has come out (The 910XT came out in October of 2011), and the technology has changed quite a bit in the past couple of years due to cell phones. Here's the link to TomTom's website: http://sports.tomtom.com/en/.  Right now, there isn't too much information, but it has a GPS chip, an altimeter, a gyroscope type sensor for swimming, and the ability to hook up to a HR monitor and cadence/speed sensor.  I suppose I'll  wait six months (or however long it takes), for it to come to the market before plunking down 500 bucks on a garmin unit.  Anybody else hear any additional information?

Here's a picture of it:

TomTom Sport Watches - Mens and Womens model



2013-04-17 8:36 AM
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Looks interesting, Too bad no price is listed.

2013-04-17 8:37 AM
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I agree, both promising and disappointing with no price leak.  I bet you're looking at $500 easy. Nice looking watch though. Hopefully DC Rainmaker will get his hands on an early copy soon!
2013-04-17 8:50 AM
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Here's some more information.  Looks like the altimeter will be an option, so two different price points. It uses Bluetooth tech, so it looks like it will not have ant+ support. I'm betting it will be about 200 for the running model, and 300 to 350 for the multi-sport model. This would be a good price to move units and get share of the market from Garmin.  Here's the page where I got this information (and includes additional pictures): http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/04/tomtom-runner-tomtom-multi-sport-gps-watch/

TomTom Runner and TomTom MultiSports features include:

  • Indoor Tracker: track indoor runs using built-in sensors to count strides, to monitor pace and distance while running on a treadmill.
  • QuickGPSFix: Get started a GPS fix faster by using the latest in GPS and GLONASS satellite technology.
  • Multi-Platform compatibility: Sync, analyze and share stats on popular running sites and community platforms, including the TomTom MySports website, MapMyFitness, RunKeeper, TrainingPeaks and MyFitnessPal.
  • Super-Tough Display: Scratch- and impact-resistant glass
  • Weather and Waterproof: Waterproof up to 50 meters/5ATM.
  • Long-lasting battery: Up to 10-hour battery life (GPS Mode).
  • Bluetooth Smart: for Connecting to sensors
  • Optional Heart Rate monitor: Use the Bluetooth Smart Heart Rate Monitor to track training zone for weight control, performance or speed.

 

2013-04-17 9:03 AM
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so the decided to part from nike, interesting. articles are saying it is less bulky than other watches out now (910), which would be awesome since the bulk of the 910 is what turned me away from it.  interesting that they are choosing bluetooth vs ANT+. i think StageONE is the only power meter out there which is bluetooth compatible, and it isn't released yet.  also any idea if TrainerRoad is bluetooth compatible or only ANT+?
2013-04-17 9:07 AM
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Meh.

Seems odd to me to develop something for triathletes and leave power monitoring/recording off the table...


2013-04-17 9:12 AM
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Clempson - 2013-04-17 9:03 AM so the decided to part from nike, interesting. articles are saying it is less bulky than other watches out now (910), which would be awesome since the bulk of the 910 is what turned me away from it.  interesting that they are choosing bluetooth vs ANT+. i think StageONE is the only power meter out there which is bluetooth compatible, and it isn't released yet.  also any idea if TrainerRoad is bluetooth compatible or only ANT+?

Look's pedal based system uses bluetooth. SRM and Quarq were supposedly testing with bluetooth because you can transmit so much more data faster (Up To 2 MBs) and further.

Trainerroad is bluetooth 4.0 Smart compatible. 

2013-04-17 9:20 AM
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RockTractor - 2013-04-17 10:07 AM Meh. Seems odd to me to develop something for triathletes and leave power monitoring/recording off the table...

Isn't this a software issue though, rather than a hardware thing? Perhaps with an update (or even possibly out of the gate), you could enter your bike specifics to get power monitoring.  No?



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jhouse4 - 2013-04-17 10:12 AM

Clempson - 2013-04-17 9:03 AM so the decided to part from nike, interesting. articles are saying it is less bulky than other watches out now (910), which would be awesome since the bulk of the 910 is what turned me away from it.  interesting that they are choosing bluetooth vs ANT+. i think StageONE is the only power meter out there which is bluetooth compatible, and it isn't released yet.  also any idea if TrainerRoad is bluetooth compatible or only ANT+?

Look's pedal based system uses bluetooth. SRM and Quarq were supposedly testing with bluetooth because you can transmit so much more data faster (Up To 2 MBs) and further.

Trainerroad is bluetooth 4.0 Smart compatible. 

thanks for clearing that up

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RockTractor - 2013-04-17 10:07 AM Meh. Seems odd to me to develop something for triathletes and leave power monitoring/recording off the table...

Isn't this a software issue though, rather than a hardware thing? Perhaps with an update (or even possibly out of the gate), you could enter your bike specifics to get power monitoring.  No?



It would most likely be a SW update to implement BT power. To get ANT+ power, with no ANT+ HW would be a no go.

I wasn't aware of the BT power options available as mentioned above. However, in my option the two current power leaders are Quarq and CycleOps. Both are ANT+.
2013-04-17 9:40 AM
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jhouse4 - 2013-04-17 8:12 AM

Look's pedal based system uses bluetooth. SRM and Quarq were supposedly testing with bluetooth because you can transmit so much more data faster (Up To 2 MBs) and further.

Trainerroad is bluetooth 4.0 Smart compatible. 



Why would I need faster data?
I already have 3 sec avg set on my Garmin power data to stabilize it.

Why would I need more range?
I'm usually pretty close to my bike when applying power to the pedals... :-)


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jhouse4 - 2013-04-17 8:12 AM

Look's pedal based system uses bluetooth. SRM and Quarq were supposedly testing with bluetooth because you can transmit so much more data faster (Up To 2 MBs) and further.

Trainerroad is bluetooth 4.0 Smart compatible. 

Why would I need faster data? I already have 3 sec avg set on my Garmin power data to stabilize it. Why would I need more range? I'm usually pretty close to my bike when applying power to the pedals... :-)

SRM wants it because the pro riders can transmit data to a car behind them and analyze it  in real-time. I am guessing that is what Quarq wants it for as well. What do you need it for? No clue. Its new and shiny?

2013-04-17 10:08 AM
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jhouse4 - 2013-04-17 9:02 AM

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jhouse4 - 2013-04-17 8:12 AM

Look's pedal based system uses bluetooth. SRM and Quarq were supposedly testing with bluetooth because you can transmit so much more data faster (Up To 2 MBs) and further.

Trainerroad is bluetooth 4.0 Smart compatible. 

Why would I need faster data? I already have 3 sec avg set on my Garmin power data to stabilize it. Why would I need more range? I'm usually pretty close to my bike when applying power to the pedals... :-)

SRM wants it because the pro riders can transmit data to a car behind them and analyze it  in real-time. I am guessing that is what Quarq wants it for as well. What do you need it for? No clue. Its new and shiny?



Makes sense (for the pros).
However, I'm on the 12 step program to kick my "new and shiny" habit. It's tough.
2013-04-17 11:23 AM
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I like the looks, but the feature list are a non starter for me.

-- "Up to 10hrs battery life", aka probably around 9+, when brand new. Not usable for an IM then as even if I didn't turn in on until I got out of the water I'd kill the battery well before the end of the run.

-- No ANT+ support. Would be ok except for the massive investment I already have in ANT+ HW. (mainly my PM but the HRM and cadence sensors aren't exactly cheap either)

Not clear what I'm getting over the 910, and even if they gave this away free, the price difference pales in comparison to having to upgrade/change my existing investment in ANT+ gear. Perhaps it makes more sense for new buyers w/o any existing equipment, but then the battery issue still remains.



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2013-04-18 1:37 AM
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Does Bluetooth work in the water? I know ANT+ does not.

It would be cool to get HRM data on my swim.
2013-04-18 5:56 AM
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I don't think Bluetooth will work in water perfectly either... both ANT+ and Bluetooth are digital radio transmissions, so same issues with both. That said, I really don't have that of an issue with my Garmin HR in water... under the wetsuit it always works for me...

I think the one thing that is a bit scary is that they mentioned bluetooth HR, which probably means all communication is done via bluetooth. Most of us with power meters will have an ANT+ communication only (power tap and quarq), which renders this useless... If they have done their market research, they would know that.


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audiojan - 2013-04-18 6:56 AM I don't think Bluetooth will work in water perfectly either... both ANT+ and Bluetooth are digital radio transmissions, so same issues with both. That said, I really don't have that of an issue with my Garmin HR in water... under the wetsuit it always works for me... I think the one thing that is a bit scary is that they mentioned bluetooth HR, which probably means all communication is done via bluetooth. Most of us with power meters will have an ANT+ communication only (power tap and quarq), which renders this useless... If they have done their market research, they would know that.

This was my first thought too.  No ANT+ in the current market makes it virtually useless to anyone using a power meter, regardless of what they can do with software updates.

They will also have an uphill battle putting a dent in the existing market unless they include increased functionality or a considerably lower price point than the options already available from other manufacturers.

 

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cnsegura - 2013-04-17 11:23 AM

-- No ANT+ support. Would be ok except for the massive investment I already have in ANT+ HW. (mainly my PM but the HRM and cadence sensors aren't exactly cheap either)

No ANT+ = dead to me.  

I'm more interested in the Leikr watch.  That one seems to be the next step up.  Unless we get the Motoactv2 - the first one has its quirks but is a tremendously useful device.

2013-04-18 9:25 AM
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Clempson - 2013-04-17 10:03 AM so the decided to part from nike, interesting. articles are saying it is less bulky than other watches out now (910), which would be awesome since the bulk of the 910 is what turned me away from it.  interesting that they are choosing bluetooth vs ANT+. i think StageONE is the only power meter out there which is bluetooth compatible, and it isn't released yet.  also any idea if TrainerRoad is bluetooth compatible or only ANT+?

I was skeptical about the size of the 910, but I have gotten used to it now.  It is a non issue.  If you are considering a 910, don't let the size discourage you.  It is an awesome product.

That being said, I don't see enough in the TomTom product to think they will make much of a dent in Garmin sales.

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I doubt I would switch from Garmin, but it is nice to have more competition in the marketplace.  Good looking watch.
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No ANT+ is a killer, as is the battery life.  Offering support for ANT+ and Bluetooth would be something to be happy about, but even still, without enough battery for a full IM, how many folks would buy it??  Yes, many people will never even attempt an IM let alone finish one, but would you drop that kind of coin on a device that won't last long enough for your attempt if you chose to?  I wouldn't.


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I like the styling, but often GPS devices like this end up looking a lot bulkier in real life than I initially think.
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Hey audiojan:

That said, I really don't have that of an issue with my Garmin HR in water... under the wetsuit it always works for me... 

How do you do this? I have a Garmin 901XT and I routinely wear my HRM under my result during a race, but when I upload my data to Garmin Connect, there is no HRM data for the swim part, just the bike and run.

Be interested to know what the trick is!

Thanks!
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audiojan - 2013-04-18 6:56 AM I don't think Bluetooth will work in water perfectly either... both ANT+ and Bluetooth are digital radio transmissions, so same issues with both. That said, I really don't have that of an issue with my Garmin HR in water... under the wetsuit it always works for me... I think the one thing that is a bit scary is that they mentioned bluetooth HR, which probably means all communication is done via bluetooth. Most of us with power meters will have an ANT+ communication only (power tap and quarq), which renders this useless... If they have done their market research, they would know that.

This was my first thought too.  No ANT+ in the current market makes it virtually useless to anyone using a power meter, regardless of what they can do with software updates.

They will also have an uphill battle putting a dent in the existing market unless they include increased functionality or a considerably lower price point than the options already available from other manufacturers.

 

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As it stands now, I would not be able to use my current power meters, HRM, or speed/cadence sensors with this watch.  I wouldn't buy it even if it were $100.

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I'll think I'll stick with my garmin 910 since as other members mentioned I already invested in ANT+ equipment and battery life is much better. However, competition is welcome. I'm sure this will wake up a couple of people at Garmin and they will keep improving their products.
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