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Are you talking about Keotosis?

If so, look in the "Nutrition" thread here on BT-there's alot of knowledge there.

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2013-04-19 5:41 PM
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Probably worth your while to read this - a very good overview of fat burning efficiency by someone who spent at least a decade trying to validate this approach to fueling.

http://jap.physiology.org/content/100/1/7.full

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2013-04-19 5:45 PM
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Olive oil or snake oil?


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I find myself very fascinated by your apparent obsession with this topic.  Why are you so determined to deviate from proven nutrition practices?

 

2013-04-19 10:12 PM
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Just a guess but I am guessing OP has heard some podcasts with vinnie tortorich as guest; or his own podcast or book. I have heard him guest speak in some podcasts and his soundbites sound really good and he attacks hammer and multidextrose based fuels rather vehemenently.
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Subject: RE: Study on Fat utilization done in the 90s
I see. Have you tried using whole foods other than milk? Some people have success with white or sweet potatoes. Another thing you might want to check out is the book "The Feed Zone". There's a recipe in it for rice balls that many people have had success using for fueling.


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You're welcome.

I have a client who had gastric bypass 7 years ago who has issues with sugar crashes on gels and sports drink for fueling.  We experimented with different fuels, and eventually found that she does very well using baby food packs like this:

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I would suggest trying things like this before olive oil.

 

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jdl2012 - 2013-04-19 4:51 PM

I had read an article that claimed that the body can be trained to burn/utilize fat at nearly equal levels as that of carbs by starving the body of carbs in their training.  They did not reference the study.

Does anybody know the study and possibly give a link... thank you

I'm not sure about starving yourself of carbs per say, but the body can adapt and adjust to just about anything. Look up Bob Seebohar. He has a book(s) discussing similar ideas of getting your body to use a larger % of fat stores for energy over time and at higher intensities. It's good stuff.

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tjfry - 2013-04-20 12:46 PM
jdl2012 - 2013-04-19 4:51 PM

I had read an article that claimed that the body can be trained to burn/utilize fat at nearly equal levels as that of carbs by starving the body of carbs in their training.  They did not reference the study.

Does anybody know the study and possibly give a link... thank you

I'm not sure about starving yourself of carbs per say, but the body can adapt and adjust to just about anything. Look up Bob Seebohar. He has a book(s) discussing similar ideas of getting your body to use a larger % of fat stores for energy over time and at higher intensities. It's good stuff.

Just to add to what TJ is saying, two of Bob's best-known books are "Metabolic Efficiency Training" and "Nutrition Periodization for Endurance Athletes".

 

2013-04-20 12:23 PM
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To add to TJ and Don's list...check out Peter Attia's website.  I'll also link an interesting podcast that Dr. Attia did with Ben Greenfield.

http://www./2012/04/exercise-on-low-carbohydrate-diet/

I'm someone who is going to buck the traditional trend and see if you can execute a triathlon on a keto diet.  The diet has helped me lose weight and I feel really energetic/healthy doing it.  If you think about it, any endurance race that you participate in shouldn't be a result that surprises you.  You know what your swim pace, bike pace, and run pace are during training...your job is to execute that on race day.  If your body is comfortable with low carb fueling during your training, then there shouldn't be any reason it can't work on race day.  We all know that going out too fast is a recipe for potential bonking...so the way I see it, doing low carb fueling is yet another method to ensure you stay within yourself.



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2013-04-21 2:29 AM
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jdl2012 - 2013-04-20 7:03 AM Ya, a study that I have read has shown that potato with fat or rice with fat works rather well.  It talks of eating so many grams per half hour during a race.  I'll have to look up you rice ball recipe.   I typically eat rice and chicken right up to a race.  Seems to help a million fold over a powerbar.  thx

Potato and rice are both good starchy sources of carbs... both are a good place to start if you're looking for something natural that isn't sugary and is easy to digest.

Boil small red potatoes, peel, roll them in a little olive oil and something salty - parmesan cheese or whatever.  Wrap in aluminum foil and you have a good snack for long rides.

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