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2006-07-12 11:44 AM
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F*^$ those other countries


Brilliant. This makes me proud to be an American, for sure.
Or not.


2006-07-12 11:50 AM
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Yet another reason for "Gulla in 08".
2006-07-12 12:01 PM
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parrj - 2006-07-12 12:24 PM

I don't get why everybody is so against a president who is PRO U.S. 

So many things to say. Here are a few:

  • Just because he's "PRO US" doesn't make him a good President. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" seems to apply here.
  • Are you implying those that dislike W. are not "PRO US"?
  • When you're the leader of a world-leading country like the US, it's not enough to be "PRO US." Imperialism sux.
  • And as for "f*ck" those other countries": we don't live on an island (figuratively). The day we don't rely upon those "?other countries" for their imports or other economic benefits--the day we're completely and utterly self-sufficien--is the day you can start *thinking* about saying something like that. Again, imperialsim sux.
2006-07-12 12:13 PM
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And now we have truly stupid things being said be the far right and far left on this thread.  All is back to normal.

Edit to say that I'm not talking about everybody who's posted obviously.



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2006-07-12 12:19 PM
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DerekL - 2006-07-12 1:13 PM

And now we have truly stupid things being said be the far right and far left on this thread.  All is back to normal.

Edit to say that I'm not talking about everybody who's posted obviously.

And I have been wondering...why do you have two heads? 

2006-07-12 12:21 PM
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The other one keeps me in line. 

Mike 45 - 2006-07-12 12:19 PM
DerekL - 2006-07-12 1:13 PM

And now we have truly stupid things being said be the far right and far left on this thread.  All is back to normal.

Edit to say that I'm not talking about everybody who's posted obviously.

And I have been wondering...why do you have two heads? 



2006-07-12 12:24 PM
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DerekL - 2006-07-12 1:21 PM

The other one keeps me in line. 

Ah yes....now I understand.   

Now back to the regulary scheduled world crisis drivel....

2006-07-12 12:36 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-07-12 10:00 AM
TwoRiversTri - 2006-07-12 10:43 AM

vs. US/Canada/Japan/?India?/Isreal

 

The Brits would have our back, since W. and Blair are joined at the hip. And they'd drag the Frenchies in as well.

First of many responses as I try to get caught back up... I agree with you about G.B.... MY apologies for not included them in my original scenario... BUT FRANCE? come on Run... France can't win the World Cup...what makes you think they can be a part of a World War? Look back at history, my friend, the Frenchies will run and hide...as usual.

 (sorry if I offend any frenchies)

2006-07-12 12:40 PM
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DerekL - 2006-07-12 10:38 AM

Yay.  Utopia!!

The two major parties in the US are far more alike than different unfortunately.

Comet - 2006-07-12 10:33 AM
DerekL - 2006-07-12 10:24 AM

Oh dear lord....

I can hear the inflection in your voice as I read this.

You know, as soon as someone else is elected all of our problems will go away and we can fix everyone else's.  Didn't you know that Derek?

 

Couldn't have said it better myself DerekL... That's a majority of the problems in this country... We don't have a real solution outside of the box (i.e. moderates). Election years make me sick because of how much pandering leftist, and rightist do to the middle, and ignore what their values (or lack thereof) are

2006-07-12 12:41 PM
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The Mac - 2006-07-12 10:56 AM
DerekL - 2006-07-12 11:53 AM

Wow, you sure got a lot out of a few words.

My reaction was both to the fact that you implied that things would be magically fixed with a new party in power and the tired "threats" of moving to another country if that doesn't happen.

Remember, everything that's bad in the world started in 2001.  It was a virtual paradise prior to that, right?

The Mac - 2006-07-12 10:45 AM
DerekL - 2006-07-12 11:24 AM

Oh dear lord....

The Mac - 2006-07-12 10:05 AM

Hopefully the world can hold on until '08 when we can get someone in office to do something about foreign policy other than sh*t on everyone who isn't us.  If not, New Zealand seems like a cool place to live.

 

Wait, let me guess.  Foreign policy was bad prior to this administration right?  We were hated world wide prior to 2000 right?  US politics has had nothing to do with nor any influence on foreign affairs, right?  I don't recall anti american sentiment as bad as this after the first Gulf war.  I guess cause and effect is not applicable here.  Besides, democracy in the middle east is worth all this....right? 

 

Not a paradise, but better than things are now.  IMHO, the decline can be traced to recent decisions over the past 6-8 years.  Others may see it differently.  Perhaps a different political party may not "fix" things, but they may not make the same stupid mistakes and can stop the bleeding.

6-8 years?... LOL ou could have just been honest and said, since Jan 15, 2001

2006-07-12 12:42 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-07-12 11:15 AM
DerekL - 2006-07-12 11:59 AM

Again, if you think the two political parties are all that different, I've got a bunch of beachfront property in Nebraska to sell you.

How's the open-water swimming?

 I bet it's warm there now. :D



2006-07-12 12:44 PM
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TwoRiversTri - 2006-07-12 1:36 PM

France can't win the World Cup...what makes you think they can be a part of a World War?

Can't *win* the WC? France at least made the final; the US didn't score a single goal.

2006-07-12 12:46 PM
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And this my friends, is why I am persuing Irish citizenship...gotta love a neutral state, and they have good tea. I just have to learn how to shear a sheep. (PS, they're really ticked off at the US for using Shannon Airport to transport prisoners.)

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2006-07-12 12:47 PM
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it's getting better, Derek.

I predict 4 pages, minimum, unless it gets ugly.

Might take 2 pages just to sort out the soccer stuff.

 

 

2006-07-12 12:50 PM
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phoenixazul - 2006-07-12 1:46 PM ...gotta love a neutral state.

Protestant or Catholic? I also hear Irish aren't crazy about the English.

No such thing as a neutral state.

2006-07-12 12:51 PM
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TwoRiversTri - 2006-07-12 1:36 PM

run4yrlif - 2006-07-12 10:00 AM
TwoRiversTri - 2006-07-12 10:43 AM

vs. US/Canada/Japan/?India?/Isreal

 

The Brits would have our back, since W. and Blair are joined at the hip. And they'd drag the Frenchies in as well.

First of many responses as I try to get caught back up... I agree with you about G.B.... MY apologies for not included them in my original scenario... BUT FRANCE? come on Run... France can't win the World Cup...what makes you think they can be a part of a World War? Look back at history, my friend, the Frenchies will run and hide...as usual.

 (sorry if I offend any frenchies)



Oh crap. Not again.

Let me point you to a handy website that I use every time people get down on the French...

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/casualties_of_war.htm

Note the number of French who have fought and died in the two world wars. Now compare them to the US numbers.

If you really go back and look at history, you'll see that the French have sacrificed more than most countries.

Now, you may all return to your Freedom Fries.


2006-07-12 12:52 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-07-12 12:01 PM
parrj - 2006-07-12 12:24 PM

I don't get why everybody is so against a president who is PRO U.S. 

So many things to say. Here are a few:

  • Just because he's "PRO US" doesn't make him a good President. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" seems to apply here.

Very good point.... let's expand this and include every single president since Grant (I won't go back that far...) Roosevelt. Examples:

Welfare system... good intention. Bad results because of poor control...

Isolationism after WWI...good intention. Bad approach due to threat of Hitler.

Cold war thoery... good intention. Bad approach and cost us TRILLIONS of dollars over 40 years just to throw away half of the military gear we created in defense.

Election in 2000... good intention.... we will leave it at that.

Iraq... good intention.... ??? we will see what happens ???

  • Are you implying those that dislike W. are not "PRO US"?
  • When you're the leader of a world-leading country like the US, it's not enough to be "PRO US." Imperialism sux.
  • And as for "f*ck" those other countries": we don't live on an island (figuratively). The day we don't rely upon those "?other countries" for their imports or other economic benefits--the day we're completely and utterly self-sufficien--is the day you can start *thinking* about saying something like that. Again, imperialsim sux.

Imperialism sux... I will give you that... But someone ALWAYS has to be on top... that's the way the world has always worked.... What's left? The U.N.? Please. Gag me with a rusty spoon



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2006-07-12 12:54 PM
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phoenixazul - 2006-07-12 12:46 PM And this my friends, is why I am persuing Irish citizenship...gotta love a neutral state, and they have good tea. I just have to learn how to shear a sheep. (PS, they're really ticked off at the US for using Shannon Airport to transport prisoners.)

 

By the way... what the crap ever happen to the IRA? I haven't heard a squak out of them in almost a decade it seems.

2006-07-12 12:54 PM
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Opus - 2006-07-12 1:51 PM
Note the number of French who have fought and died in the two world wars. Now compare them to the US numbers.


Hmmm..... Some might argue that this merely implies a certain lack of skill or training at conducting warfare, not a measure of cowardice or sacrifice.

Never mind that the French were in the war longer than the U.S., so of course they would have a greater number of casualties.

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Opus - 2006-07-12 12:51 PM
TwoRiversTri - 2006-07-12 1:36 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-07-12 10:00 AM
TwoRiversTri - 2006-07-12 10:43 AM

vs. US/Canada/Japan/?India?/Isreal

 

The Brits would have our back, since W. and Blair are joined at the hip. And they'd drag the Frenchies in as well.

First of many responses as I try to get caught back up... I agree with you about G.B.... MY apologies for not included them in my original scenario... BUT FRANCE? come on Run... France can't win the World Cup...what makes you think they can be a part of a World War? Look back at history, my friend, the Frenchies will run and hide...as usual.

 (sorry if I offend any frenchies)

Oh crap. Not again. Let me point you to a handy website that I use every time people get down on the French... http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/casualties_of_war.htmNote the number of French who have fought and died in the two world wars. Now compare them to the US numbers. If you really go back and look at history, you'll see that the French have sacrificed more than most countries. Now, you may all return to your Freedom Fries.

 

Fighting... and fighting with the intention to win is to different things... This is WHY the French will never REALLY be successful in combat... They don't have resolve... AT ALL. The French haven't been unified since Napolean... and even then there were problems.

2006-07-12 12:57 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-07-12 1:44 PM
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 France at least made the final; the US didn't score a single goal.

Liar!!   We scored 1!



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2006-07-12 12:59 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-07-12 12:44 PM
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France can't win the World Cup...what makes you think they can be a part of a World War?

Can't *win* the WC? France at least made the final; the US didn't score a single goal.

 

LOL True... but I wasn't directly comparing the French and the U.S.... Our country doesn't give a rats )(#&(# about soccer.... we are more concerned with NASCAR and football (I won't even give baseball credit for being a popular sport until they insitute some salary caps... damn Yankees.

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3558 - 2006-07-12 1:57 PM
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 France at least made the final; the US didn't score a single goal.

Liar!!   We scored 1!

Italy scored an own goal...we scored zero.

2006-07-12 1:00 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-07-12 12:44 PM
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France can't win the World Cup...what makes you think they can be a part of a World War?

Can't *win* the WC? France at least made the final; the US didn't score a single goal.

Not to mention I love ripping on France..... it's almost as good as ripping on Al Gore. (LOL).

By the way... no one cares about second place. (Unless youre Julia Moss.)

2006-07-12 1:02 PM
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Opus - 2006-07-12 1:51 PM
Note the number of French who have fought and died in the two world wars. Now compare them to the US numbers.


Hmmm..... Some might argue that this merely implies a certain lack of skill or training at conducting warfare, not a measure of cowardice or sacrifice.

Never mind that the French were in the war longer than the U.S., so of course they would have a greater number of casualties.


Forget the utter disrespect your comment shows fallen soldiers, how can thousands of military deaths not be a measure of sacrifice? And do you think they were all shot in the back while running away?

If you're prejudiced against the French, just say so, don't try to justify it using bad arguments.

And when it comes to skill and training, you might want to look a little further back in history to see evidence of France's experience in conducting warfare.

*why do I bother?*
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