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2013-07-31 11:09 AM

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First, I love dogs, and currently own a mastiff. Now, the problem. I have three small children that like to play and ride bikes in the driveway. We have been confronted by the same Pit Bull on 4 occasions on our own property. No attacks, but very agressive behavior from the Pit Bull. Our neighbor has been confronted twice on her property. Under local ordinace this constitutes a nuisance animal. I have contacted local animal control 3 times with no responses. We have been in contact with the owner on one occasion while they were walking and searching for their dog. The owner promised it would not continue, but the animal is still going loose. There is a school bus stop where the dog is usually loose as well with grade school kids.
I understand that I could take custody of the animal and bring it to animal control, but I would need a sufficient trap. Any ideas?


2013-07-31 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by mxr746 First, I love dogs, and currently own a mastiff. Now, the problem. I have three small children that like to play and ride bikes in the driveway. We have been confronted by the same Pit Bull on 4 occasions on our own property. No attacks, but very agressive behavior from the Pit Bull. Our neighbor has been confronted twice on her property. Under local ordinace this constitutes a nuisance animal. I have contacted local animal control 3 times with no responses. We have been in contact with the owner on one occasion while they were walking and searching for their dog. The owner promised it would not continue, but the animal is still going loose. There is a school bus stop where the dog is usually loose as well with grade school kids. I understand that I could take custody of the animal and bring it to animal control, but I would need a sufficient trap. Any ideas?

your kids and dog playing in the driveway?

2013-07-31 11:16 AM
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hornet spray. No, I'm not kidding.

(edit) I would not have one single moment of hesitation shooting the dog if it were aggressive towards my kids on my property. Hornet spray is non-lethal in smaller quantities but will make the dog question the wisdom of continuing the course of action it is taking.

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2013-07-31 11:33 AM
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I wouldn't let a dog I owned be aggressive toward my kids.....let alone some dog running loose.  I'm like Dan.  I've been a dog lover all my life, but I'd not hesitate to shoot that dog if it were aggressive to my kids on my property.
2013-07-31 11:33 AM
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I personally wouldn't mess with any type of non-lethal measures with my kids around. What if it just pisses the dog off or something. Most likely won't happen, but if it did the repercussions could be unthinkable. I'd continue to call the proper authorities and talk to the neighbor. Explain that their mistakes could very literally maim or kill one of your children.

I had to do this a couple of months ago with my parents' neighbor. Their pit was loose on my parents' property a few times, which is where my kids often play. My dad had talked to the owner, but he kept getting out. I was there once when the dog was out. I went to the owner and explained that my 18 month old daughter plays where their dog was getting out. Even if the dog thought it was playing it could easily kill my daughter. We haven't seen the dog out since then. I think some people just don't understand how freaking terrible the consequences of their irresponsibility can be.
2013-07-31 11:57 AM
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Four incidents on your property with three small children, still wandering loose.  Do you feel lucky puppy?



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2013-07-31 12:25 PM
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Short of shooting the dog (which I don't have a huge problem with depending on the behavior). If you aren't getting anywhere with animal control I would call the cops, pester the hell out of them. Nothing, call city hall, call the mayor, email the mayor or city council. Become such a pita that they do something about it. 

Also tell the neighbor that if the dog gets out again it is danger of being shot or caught and turned in. Dog tickets and impounds are very expensive around here, even a misdemeanor criminal charge in some cases so it is not to be taken lightly by the owners. Their carelessness could cost them a lot of money.  

2013-07-31 12:35 PM
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2013-07-31 1:01 PM
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I can't believe that you've called authorities and nothing has happened. The cops will show up if someone calls about nuisance barking and ticket the owners.

I wouldn't hesitate to do what you feel is safe for your kids, but since he hasn't done anything *yet*, I'd try to trap him and bring him to animal control. Less risky (in the sense of your neighbors) than shooting him on your property.

Our neighbors have a pit tied up. Goes crazy whenever anyone walks by, especially when I'm walking my dogs. I'm pretty scared he's going to be angry and strong enough one day to break off his tie. It would be very, very bad.

2013-07-31 1:32 PM
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Wow, this makes me really sad as a pit owner. Our pit is the sweetest dog we have had yet (3rd one) and is great with our kids. Why people have to be so irresponsible with their dogs is beyond me. I firmly believe that if you are going to own a potentially lethal dog you need to take some extra precautions. We watch her like a hawk even though she has never been aggressive. She occasionally barks in the back yard and I haul azz to make sure things are ok. God forbid some kid hop the wall into our yard to get a ball and our dog bites them. Not happening. Anyway, If I were you I would do what ever is needed to keep the kids safe. It's bad owners like that that give pit bulls such a bad rep.
2013-07-31 1:44 PM
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Originally posted by desertchica Wow, this makes me really sad as a pit owner. Our pit is the sweetest dog we have had yet (3rd one) and is great with our kids. Why people have to be so irresponsible with their dogs is beyond me. I firmly believe that if you are going to own a potentially lethal dog you need to take some extra precautions. We watch her like a hawk even though she has never been aggressive. She occasionally barks in the back yard and I haul azz to make sure things are ok. God forbid some kid hop the wall into our yard to get a ball and our dog bites them. Not happening. Anyway, If I were you I would do what ever is needed to keep the kids safe. It's bad owners like that that give pit bulls such a bad rep.

aren't all dogs potentially lethal, though?  my schnauzer will draw blood if he bites me - i'm sure his jaw could do serious damage to a little kid.



2013-07-31 1:46 PM
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Wow, this makes me really sad as a pit owner. Our pit is the sweetest dog we have had yet (3rd one) and is great with our kids. Why people have to be so irresponsible with their dogs is beyond me. I firmly believe that if you are going to own a potentially lethal dog you need to take some extra precautions. We watch her like a hawk even though she has never been aggressive. She occasionally barks in the back yard and I haul azz to make sure things are ok. God forbid some kid hop the wall into our yard to get a ball and our dog bites them. Not happening. Anyway, If I were you I would do what ever is needed to keep the kids safe. It's bad owners like that that give pit bulls such a bad rep.

Totally agree, its the owners behavior that put us all in a bad situation. Im very happy to say that not 30mins after I started this thread, animal control knocked on the door. Im very surprised it happened today, as we have been asking for help since april. (I sent animal control another email early this am since my wife was visited by the Pit Bull last night in our driveway.) We discussed the situation, and the safety issue with small children in the area. He found the home with animal that fit the description and gave them a warning. Fingers crossed thats the last time we'll have to deal with this. Still, I like the idea of hiring Dirty Harry as a security guard...
2013-07-31 2:17 PM
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Originally posted by desertchica Wow, this makes me really sad as a pit owner. Our pit is the sweetest dog we have had yet (3rd one) and is great with our kids. Why people have to be so irresponsible with their dogs is beyond me. I firmly believe that if you are going to own a potentially lethal dog you need to take some extra precautions. We watch her like a hawk even though she has never been aggressive. She occasionally barks in the back yard and I haul azz to make sure things are ok. God forbid some kid hop the wall into our yard to get a ball and our dog bites them. Not happening. Anyway, If I were you I would do what ever is needed to keep the kids safe. It's bad owners like that that give pit bulls such a bad rep.

aren't all dogs potentially lethal, though?  my schnauzer will draw blood if he bites me - i'm sure his jaw could do serious damage to a little kid.

We are dog lovers and Pit owner also. Our pit is EXTREMELY gentle, we worked hard as we raised him to teach him to be gentle and submit.

Yes any dog should be watched around children. I put my 5 lb pom-a-poo up in my bedroom when my 1 YO grandson comes over, because you never know. Still, a pit bull's bite would not be like a Schnauzers or a pom-a-poo. A pit's jaws are powerful and able to lock down with hundreds of pounds of pressure, and when in attack mode, this breed usually goes for the throat. Also, if a smaller dog attacked me I could probably kick them away to defend myself but that is most likely not going to happen with a 60-80 lb pit.

We love our pit but no way I would let him roam free around strange people, especially children. If someone else's pit was in my driveway, acting aggressive around my children I would do what i could to alert the owners once, if I felt I could keep my family safe while I did, after that I would protect my family by what ever means necessary.

2013-07-31 2:40 PM
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Originally posted by mehaner

Originally posted by desertchica Wow, this makes me really sad as a pit owner. Our pit is the sweetest dog we have had yet (3rd one) and is great with our kids. Why people have to be so irresponsible with their dogs is beyond me. I firmly believe that if you are going to own a potentially lethal dog you need to take some extra precautions. We watch her like a hawk even though she has never been aggressive. She occasionally barks in the back yard and I haul azz to make sure things are ok. God forbid some kid hop the wall into our yard to get a ball and our dog bites them. Not happening. Anyway, If I were you I would do what ever is needed to keep the kids safe. It's bad owners like that that give pit bulls such a bad rep.

aren't all dogs potentially lethal, though?  my schnauzer will draw blood if he bites me - i'm sure his jaw could do serious damage to a little kid.

We are dog lovers and Pit owner also. Our pit is EXTREMELY gentle, we worked hard as we raised him to teach him to be gentle and submit.

Yes any dog should be watched around children. I put my 5 lb pom-a-poo up in my bedroom when my 1 YO grandson comes over, because you never know. Still, a pit bull's bite would not be like a Schnauzers or a pom-a-poo. A pit's jaws are powerful and able to lock down with hundreds of pounds of pressure, and when in attack mode, this breed usually goes for the throat. Also, if a smaller dog attacked me I could probably kick them away to defend myself but that is most likely not going to happen with a 60-80 lb pit.

We love our pit but no way I would let him roam free around strange people, especially children. If someone else's pit was in my driveway, acting aggressive around my children I would do what i could to alert the owners once, if I felt I could keep my family safe while I did, after that I would protect my family by what ever means necessary.

 

^^agreed.

It is not just pits, it is any dog that is large enough to do serious permanent damage and/or would be hard for someone to get control of. 

A 15lb dog may be able to draw blood but it is not likely to disfigure someone or kill someone. Also when it attacks it can easily be controlled/punted by an adult if present. 

A pit, german shepard, rotweiller, etc. can do serious damage and/or kill and it can be hard/impossible to control them once they are "in the zone". As such they should not be left to roam and they should not be near kids unsupervised especially kids they don't know or are not in their family unit. I personally would not own a dog of this size because we plan on having kids in the next 5 years or so and also because I live in a neighborhood with lots of kids who ride bikes and roam the neighborhood. Not worth the risk to me that my dog could get out and hurt someone. 

My dog is 40-45lbs and a golden retriever. Not known to be an aggressive breed and if she tried to kill me I am confident I could stop her. The neighborhood kids love her and she loves them but I still won't let her out of my sight/arms reach when they come meet her in my driveway and I don't let her out or to roam. I am 99.99% sure she won't do anything but if she did, she could do moderate damage to an 8 year old kid.  

So yes big dogs are potentially lethal and smaller dogs are usually not. But there is still no reason to let a dog go uncontrolled around strangers. Not worth the risk to the kids/strangers and not worth the risk to the dog who may have a momentary lapse in judgement, bite a kid and earn a death sentence for itself. 

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I suspect the local constabulary WILL respond when advised of shot(s) fired!! (all in the 10 ring of course)
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First, I love dogs, and currently own a mastiff. Now, the problem. I have three small children that like to play and ride bikes in the driveway. We have been confronted by the same Pit Bull on 4 occasions on our own property. No attacks, but very agressive behavior from the Pit Bull. Our neighbor has been confronted twice on her property. Under local ordinace this constitutes a nuisance animal. I have contacted local animal control 3 times with no responses. We have been in contact with the owner on one occasion while they were walking and searching for their dog. The owner promised it would not continue, but the animal is still going loose. There is a school bus stop where the dog is usually loose as well with grade school kids.
I understand that I could take custody of the animal and bring it to animal control, but I would need a sufficient trap. Any ideas?


Have you tried to call the police to report a threatening animal?


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Originally posted by mxr746 First, I love dogs, and currently own a mastiff. Now, the problem. I have three small children that like to play and ride bikes in the driveway. We have been confronted by the same Pit Bull on 4 occasions on our own property. No attacks, but very agressive behavior from the Pit Bull. Our neighbor has been confronted twice on her property. Under local ordinace this constitutes a nuisance animal. I have contacted local animal control 3 times with no responses. We have been in contact with the owner on one occasion while they were walking and searching for their dog. The owner promised it would not continue, but the animal is still going loose. There is a school bus stop where the dog is usually loose as well with grade school kids. I understand that I could take custody of the animal and bring it to animal control, but I would need a sufficient trap. Any ideas?
Have you tried to call the police to report a threatening animal?

 

The Police won't do much besides write a summons for "Dog at Large" or some similar offense, or have you sign a complaint if they don't witness the dog being loose.  Even our animal control won't take a dog that hasn't bitten someone, if the owner is located.  Lots of dogs bark at people and kids.  Some of them growl at people and kids.  Those are good dogs to stay away from.  If one of those dogs comes on your property where your kids are playing it's a good idea to call the Police.....and be ready to kill the dog.  Unfortunately, it takes an actual bite for a dog to be declared dangerous in most areas.  I'm not willing to wait for that.

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Originally posted by mr2tony
Originally posted by mxr746 First, I love dogs, and currently own a mastiff. Now, the problem. I have three small children that like to play and ride bikes in the driveway. We have been confronted by the same Pit Bull on 4 occasions on our own property. No attacks, but very agressive behavior from the Pit Bull. Our neighbor has been confronted twice on her property. Under local ordinace this constitutes a nuisance animal. I have contacted local animal control 3 times with no responses. We have been in contact with the owner on one occasion while they were walking and searching for their dog. The owner promised it would not continue, but the animal is still going loose. There is a school bus stop where the dog is usually loose as well with grade school kids. I understand that I could take custody of the animal and bring it to animal control, but I would need a sufficient trap. Any ideas?
Have you tried to call the police to report a threatening animal?

 

The Police won't do much besides write a summons for "Dog at Large" or some similar offense, or have you sign a complaint if they don't witness the dog being loose.  Even our animal control won't take a dog that hasn't bitten someone, if the owner is located.  Lots of dogs bark at people and kids.  Some of them growl at people and kids.  Those are good dogs to stay away from.  If one of those dogs comes on your property where your kids are playing it's a good idea to call the Police.....and be ready to kill the dog.  Unfortunately, it takes an actual bite for a dog to be declared dangerous in most areas.  I'm not willing to wait for that.

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2013-07-31 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by mehaner

Originally posted by desertchica Wow, this makes me really sad as a pit owner. Our pit is the sweetest dog we have had yet (3rd one) and is great with our kids. Why people have to be so irresponsible with their dogs is beyond me. I firmly believe that if you are going to own a potentially lethal dog you need to take some extra precautions. We watch her like a hawk even though she has never been aggressive. She occasionally barks in the back yard and I haul azz to make sure things are ok. God forbid some kid hop the wall into our yard to get a ball and our dog bites them. Not happening. Anyway, If I were you I would do what ever is needed to keep the kids safe. It's bad owners like that that give pit bulls such a bad rep.

aren't all dogs potentially lethal, though?  my schnauzer will draw blood if he bites me - i'm sure his jaw could do serious damage to a little kid.

We are dog lovers and Pit owner also. Our pit is EXTREMELY gentle, we worked hard as we raised him to teach him to be gentle and submit.

Yes any dog should be watched around children. I put my 5 lb pom-a-poo up in my bedroom when my 1 YO grandson comes over, because you never know. Still, a pit bull's bite would not be like a Schnauzers or a pom-a-poo. A pit's jaws are powerful and able to lock down with hundreds of pounds of pressure, and when in attack mode, this breed usually goes for the throat. Also, if a smaller dog attacked me I could probably kick them away to defend myself but that is most likely not going to happen with a 60-80 lb pit.

We love our pit but no way I would let him roam free around strange people, especially children. If someone else's pit was in my driveway, acting aggressive around my children I would do what i could to alert the owners once, if I felt I could keep my family safe while I did, after that I would protect my family by what ever means necessary.




Off the original topic but I would like to clarify that Pit Bulls do not have any special bite pressure capacity nor do their jaws lock. These are often perpetuated myths (I'm a veterinarian and Pit Bull owner so I do have some education on the matter). They certainly can do damage though, as can ANY large dog. That being said, any loose dog that is threatening warrants a call to the police and/or animal control. That's unacceptable and I hope the OP continues to pursue the problem if threats from the dog continue.
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Originally posted by SpottedCow Off the original topic but I would like to clarify that Pit Bulls do not have any special bite pressure capacity

So all those muscles are just for show?

2013-08-01 5:07 PM
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Originally posted by SpottedCow Off the original topic but I would like to clarify that Pit Bulls do not have any special bite pressure capacity

So all those muscles are just for show?




Yes! In one study a while ago where the authors measured all sorts of of large dogs biting down on a stick with a pressure transducer (included Pit Bulls, military dogs, police dogs, regular dogs, etc)..... the "winning" dog measuring the highest bite pressure was a Golden Retriever!

I think most truly dangerous of dogs just lack "bite inhibition". They tend to be multiple strike biters. Most dogs will bite once and be done but, the Pit Bulls and other dogs that kill people do not stop biting once they start.


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