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 2013-09-05 9:53 AM in reply to: austhokie |
Champion  10154    Alabama |  Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today!Originally posted by austhokie Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by austhokie might get me skewered, but I don't mind the club pre-reg...i'm not affiliated with a club in any way...but I see the benefit that they give to the programs they offer, getting new ppl involved, ones who come to races and help out/offer services (even if not IM's) - it seems like something small they could do...and there were quite a few clubs involved/offered slots For a GDI like me, I think the pre-sales are unfair. Nothing wrong with clubs they should stand in line just like everyone else. ETA. Maybe if we formed a "BT Tri Club" all the BTers could go to the front of the line for race sign-ups! why? I don't train with a club, but I have no issues with them being given pre-reg...I know the USAT offers pre-reg to certain races (like the nations tri) - do ppl complain about those? (those races seem to sell out quickly) Why should they? All it will do is drive up costs by causing people to have to pay club dues so they can pre-register. Think of all the people who got shut out of this race this year. If they want to do it next year, they will need to join a club.....for no other reason than to move to the head the the line. Cha-ching! |
| 2013-09-05 10:17 AM in reply to: Rogillio |
1159 | Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today! Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by austhokie Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by austhokie might get me skewered, but I don't mind the club pre-reg...i'm not affiliated with a club in any way...but I see the benefit that they give to the programs they offer, getting new ppl involved, ones who come to races and help out/offer services (even if not IM's) - it seems like something small they could do...and there were quite a few clubs involved/offered slots For a GDI like me, I think the pre-sales are unfair. Nothing wrong with clubs they should stand in line just like everyone else. ETA. Maybe if we formed a "BT Tri Club" all the BTers could go to the front of the line for race sign-ups! why? I don't train with a club, but I have no issues with them being given pre-reg...I know the USAT offers pre-reg to certain races (like the nations tri) - do ppl complain about those? (those races seem to sell out quickly) Why should they? All it will do is drive up costs by causing people to have to pay club dues so they can pre-register. Think of all the people who got shut out of this race this year. If they want to do it next year, they will need to join a club.....for no other reason than to move to the head the the line. Cha-ching! not necessarily - they didn't open it up to ALL clubs, it was an extremely limited selection - 1-2 each for the major regions according to USAT, then like 2 of the top ranked clubs...so there is nothing saying that just because you join a club you are going to get in, and even then, the club ones were first come, first served...if you didn't say yes and get your stuff in, you didn't get a slot - the being a member of a club, in and of itself, did not guarantee a slot... I guess, the question is, how to (if wanted) avoid this mess in the future - should they go to more of a lotto type system; stick with the FCFS and risk server crashes, do limited pre-reg (which FWIW, they already do with previous year racers/volunteers at other races...doesn't that potentially also seem unfair in the scheme of things...shouldn't they also have to wait in line like everyone else) whatever the solution, no one is ever going to be happy and there are going to be cries of it being unfair |
| 2013-09-05 10:47 AM in reply to: austhokie |
Master 2264 Sunbury, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today! Originally posted by austhokie Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by austhokie might get me skewered, but I don't mind the club pre-reg...i'm not affiliated with a club in any way...but I see the benefit that they give to the programs they offer, getting new ppl involved, ones who come to races and help out/offer services (even if not IM's) - it seems like something small they could do...and there were quite a few clubs involved/offered slots For a GDI like me, I think the pre-sales are unfair. Nothing wrong with clubs they should stand in line just like everyone else. ETA. Maybe if we formed a "BT Tri Club" all the BTers could go to the front of the line for race sign-ups! why? I don't train with a club, but I have no issues with them being given pre-reg...I know the USAT offers pre-reg to certain races (like the nations tri) - do ppl complain about those? (those races seem to sell out quickly) I don't know about other races, but Nations did not sell out fast this year. I am participating, and the email just two weeks ago indicated a 98% sold out figure, so it may be officially sold out, and at this time it may be too late to register so I can't be sure. But you could get in a couple weeks ago. |
| 2013-09-05 10:59 AM in reply to: TheClaaaw |
| 1159 | Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today! I think normally it does...but either way - they do pre-reg...what about a more established race like IMAZ or IMFL...if they go the club route for those sign-ups - would there be the hate/discontent... oh and if you are doing nations tri - good luck - I wish I could go but I have military commitments this weekend |
| 2013-09-05 11:04 AM in reply to: austhokie |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today! Originally posted by austhokie Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by austhokie Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by austhokie might get me skewered, but I don't mind the club pre-reg...i'm not affiliated with a club in any way...but I see the benefit that they give to the programs they offer, getting new ppl involved, ones who come to races and help out/offer services (even if not IM's) - it seems like something small they could do...and there were quite a few clubs involved/offered slots For a GDI like me, I think the pre-sales are unfair. Nothing wrong with clubs they should stand in line just like everyone else. ETA. Maybe if we formed a "BT Tri Club" all the BTers could go to the front of the line for race sign-ups! why? I don't train with a club, but I have no issues with them being given pre-reg...I know the USAT offers pre-reg to certain races (like the nations tri) - do ppl complain about those? (those races seem to sell out quickly) Why should they? All it will do is drive up costs by causing people to have to pay club dues so they can pre-register. Think of all the people who got shut out of this race this year. If they want to do it next year, they will need to join a club.....for no other reason than to move to the head the the line. Cha-ching! not necessarily - they didn't open it up to ALL clubs, it was an extremely limited selection - 1-2 each for the major regions according to USAT, then like 2 of the top ranked clubs...so there is nothing saying that just because you join a club you are going to get in, and even then, the club ones were first come, first served...if you didn't say yes and get your stuff in, you didn't get a slot - the being a member of a club, in and of itself, did not guarantee a slot... I guess, the question is, how to (if wanted) avoid this mess in the future - should they go to more of a lotto type system; stick with the FCFS and risk server crashes, do limited pre-reg (which FWIW, they already do with previous year racers/volunteers at other races...doesn't that potentially also seem unfair in the scheme of things...shouldn't they also have to wait in line like everyone else) whatever the solution, no one is ever going to be happy and there are going to be cries of it being unfair I actually think the lottery is fair. If you only have X number of slots and you have X + Y number of people that want to do a race then it seems a lottery is more fair than setting up competitions to see who has the fastest ISP or who can type the fastest....or who joined the right club. The lottery seems to work for Kona....course, you have to pay to play and that would suck to pay and not get in. I still think a BT tri club would be a good idea. Ron can strike a deal with WTC to give them advertising in excahnge for XX IM slots...... |
| 2013-09-05 11:10 AM in reply to: Rogillio |
Alpharetta, Georgia Bronze member | Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today! I'm not sure the club pre-registration much different then allowing volunteers on-site to get pre-registration? I know the key difference is that volunteering is open to anyone (who is willing to pony up money to travel, lodge, and give 4 hours volunteering + 2 days on site of their time) - but it's the same principal: give us something and we will let you have guaranteed early registration. |
| 2013-09-05 11:45 AM in reply to: austhokie |
Expert 2192 Greenville, SC | Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today! Originally posted by austhokie Originally posted by Rogillio not necessarily - they didn't open it up to ALL clubs, it was an extremely limited selection - 1-2 each for the major regions according to USAT, then like 2 of the top ranked clubs...so there is nothing saying that just because you join a club you are going to get in, and even then, the club ones were first come, first served...if you didn't say yes and get your stuff in, you didn't get a slot - the being a member of a club, in and of itself, did not guarantee a slot... I guess, the question is, how to (if wanted) avoid this mess in the future - should they go to more of a lotto type system; stick with the FCFS and risk server crashes, do limited pre-reg (which FWIW, they already do with previous year racers/volunteers at other races...doesn't that potentially also seem unfair in the scheme of things...shouldn't they also have to wait in line like everyone else) whatever the solution, no one is ever going to be happy and there are going to be cries of it being unfair Originally posted by austhokie Why should they? All it will do is drive up costs by causing people to have to pay club dues so they can pre-register. Think of all the people who got shut out of this race this year. If they want to do it next year, they will need to join a club.....for no other reason than to move to the head the the line. Cha-ching! Originally posted by Rogillio why? I don't train with a club, but I have no issues with them being given pre-reg...I know the USAT offers pre-reg to certain races (like the nations tri) - do ppl complain about those? (those races seem to sell out quickly) Originally posted by austhokie might get me skewered, but I don't mind the club pre-reg...i'm not affiliated with a club in any way...but I see the benefit that they give to the programs they offer, getting new ppl involved, ones who come to races and help out/offer services (even if not IM's) - it seems like something small they could do...and there were quite a few clubs involved/offered slots For a GDI like me, I think the pre-sales are unfair. Nothing wrong with clubs they should stand in line just like everyone else. ETA. Maybe if we formed a "BT Tri Club" all the BTers could go to the front of the line for race sign-ups! why would they want to spend any extra time or effort "fixing" this? on their end its going great, the race sold out instantly. |
| 2013-09-05 11:48 AM in reply to: lisac957 |
Master 2725 Washington, DC Metro | Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today! Originally posted by lisac957 I'm not sure the club pre-registration much different then allowing volunteers on-site to get pre-registration? I know the key difference is that volunteering is open to anyone (who is willing to pony up money to travel, lodge, and give 4 hours volunteering + 2 days on site of their time) - but it's the same principal: give us something and we will let you have guaranteed early registration. True, but at least with the volunteer thing at least we all benefit, in that the race will have plenty of volunteers who are presumably all competent and know what we need because they are fellow triathletes. With club route the actual racers don't really get anything in return. |
| 2013-09-05 11:54 AM in reply to: Clempson |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today! Originally posted by Clempson Originally posted by austhokie Originally posted by Rogillio not necessarily - they didn't open it up to ALL clubs, it was an extremely limited selection - 1-2 each for the major regions according to USAT, then like 2 of the top ranked clubs...so there is nothing saying that just because you join a club you are going to get in, and even then, the club ones were first come, first served...if you didn't say yes and get your stuff in, you didn't get a slot - the being a member of a club, in and of itself, did not guarantee a slot... I guess, the question is, how to (if wanted) avoid this mess in the future - should they go to more of a lotto type system; stick with the FCFS and risk server crashes, do limited pre-reg (which FWIW, they already do with previous year racers/volunteers at other races...doesn't that potentially also seem unfair in the scheme of things...shouldn't they also have to wait in line like everyone else) whatever the solution, no one is ever going to be happy and there are going to be cries of it being unfair Originally posted by austhokie Why should they? All it will do is drive up costs by causing people to have to pay club dues so they can pre-register. Think of all the people who got shut out of this race this year. If they want to do it next year, they will need to join a club.....for no other reason than to move to the head the the line. Cha-ching! Originally posted by Rogillio why? I don't train with a club, but I have no issues with them being given pre-reg...I know the USAT offers pre-reg to certain races (like the nations tri) - do ppl complain about those? (those races seem to sell out quickly) Originally posted by austhokie might get me skewered, but I don't mind the club pre-reg...i'm not affiliated with a club in any way...but I see the benefit that they give to the programs they offer, getting new ppl involved, ones who come to races and help out/offer services (even if not IM's) - it seems like something small they could do...and there were quite a few clubs involved/offered slots For a GDI like me, I think the pre-sales are unfair. Nothing wrong with clubs they should stand in line just like everyone else. ETA. Maybe if we formed a "BT Tri Club" all the BTers could go to the front of the line for race sign-ups! why would they want to spend any extra time or effort "fixing" this? on their end its going great, the race sold out instantly. Good point. The only thing they need to fix is some way to keep the server from crashing. As it stands right now they have a mess trying to figure out who was on-line and registering when the server crashed. Active is waiting on WTC to decide who gets in and who does not....as I guess there were more people on-line registering than there were slots available. I have a buddy of mine who is in limbo right now.....still waiting to see if he is in or out. |
| 2013-09-05 11:55 AM in reply to: Sous |
| 1159 | Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today! Originally posted by Sous Originally posted by lisac957 I'm not sure the club pre-registration much different then allowing volunteers on-site to get pre-registration? I know the key difference is that volunteering is open to anyone (who is willing to pony up money to travel, lodge, and give 4 hours volunteering + 2 days on site of their time) - but it's the same principal: give us something and we will let you have guaranteed early registration. True, but at least with the volunteer thing at least we all benefit, in that the race will have plenty of volunteers who are presumably all competent and know what we need because they are fellow triathletes. With club route the actual racers don't really get anything in return. Or X club has 10 members who got in via the club route and Y that did the general reg...said club decided to bring a group of volunteers down to help out and cheer on club mates...therefore providing competent volunteers... i.e. Tri Team Z in DC - fairly well established - they routinely show up at the races i've been in in the area, to volunteer, help out, and since they are all members they know what they are doing in terms of tri's |
| 2013-09-05 12:55 PM in reply to: austhokie |
Master 2725 Washington, DC Metro | Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today! Originally posted by austhokie Originally posted by Sous Or X club has 10 members who got in via the club route and Y that did the general reg...said club decided to bring a group of volunteers down to help out and cheer on club mates...therefore providing competent volunteers... i.e. Tri Team Z in DC - fairly well established - they routinely show up at the races i've been in in the area, to volunteer, help out, and since they are all members they know what they are doing in terms of tri's Originally posted by lisac957 I'm not sure the club pre-registration much different then allowing volunteers on-site to get pre-registration? I know the key difference is that volunteering is open to anyone (who is willing to pony up money to travel, lodge, and give 4 hours volunteering + 2 days on site of their time) - but it's the same principal: give us something and we will let you have guaranteed early registration. True, but at least with the volunteer thing at least we all benefit, in that the race will have plenty of volunteers who are presumably all competent and know what we need because they are fellow triathletes. With club route the actual racers don't really get anything in return. Agreed, but in this scenario you are "hoping" that you get the volunteers... in the regular scenario you are all but guaranteed to get them. |
 2013-09-05 1:26 PM in reply to: Rogillio |
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| 2013-09-05 2:16 PM in reply to: Fred D |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today! Originally posted by Fred D Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Fred D Downstream swim, wetsuit legal and not as blistering hot as Louisville and flatter bike will all make this race much more popular. I would bet this race sells out instantaneously every year, but that's just a guess. Comparatively, Arizona and Florida have flat courses and generally mild weather and they sell out quickly.... Add in a current assist swim and this race will have massive demand. Funny thing is none of these races interest me in the slightest (no nt because they are too 'easy') but because they are doing the school year and would be too much disruption for my family. Ymmv. I question the "wetsuit legal". Hard to predict the temp of the TN river but usually my swimming pool mirrors the river temp....and right now the temps are hoving around 82. Air temps this week in 89 +/- 2. Hard to imagine the river temp dropping to the mid to low 70s in the next 3 weeks. Anyway, when the water temp is in the 'borderline legal' range, I'm not gonna risk overheating wearing a wetsuit. Thanks, did not know that Mike. I suspect the main popularity of this event is time of year and location as it is really the only IM in the southeast aside from Panama City. Sounds like a good event, but it's not closer than IMLP or IMMT which have more appeal to me (Hills, small town atmosphere etc) I'm still kind of wondering how difficult the bike course will be. They certainly went around the big climbs, but it seems to have almost the same gain as IMLou when using the same site they used for mapping. Be interesting to hear thoughts when people actually ride it. Lou certainly doesn't have the climbing of LP or MT, but it's not exactly flat either. Have to wait and see, but it's still possible that someone expecting FL or AZ level flatness could be in for a little surprise. |
| 2013-09-05 2:19 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
| 1159 | Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today! Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by Fred D Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Fred D Downstream swim, wetsuit legal and not as blistering hot as Louisville and flatter bike will all make this race much more popular. I would bet this race sells out instantaneously every year, but that's just a guess. Comparatively, Arizona and Florida have flat courses and generally mild weather and they sell out quickly.... Add in a current assist swim and this race will have massive demand. Funny thing is none of these races interest me in the slightest (no nt because they are too 'easy') but because they are doing the school year and would be too much disruption for my family. Ymmv. I question the "wetsuit legal". Hard to predict the temp of the TN river but usually my swimming pool mirrors the river temp....and right now the temps are hoving around 82. Air temps this week in 89 +/- 2. Hard to imagine the river temp dropping to the mid to low 70s in the next 3 weeks. Anyway, when the water temp is in the 'borderline legal' range, I'm not gonna risk overheating wearing a wetsuit. Thanks, did not know that Mike. I suspect the main popularity of this event is time of year and location as it is really the only IM in the southeast aside from Panama City. Sounds like a good event, but it's not closer than IMLP or IMMT which have more appeal to me (Hills, small town atmosphere etc) I'm still kind of wondering how difficult the bike course will be. They certainly went around the big climbs, but it seems to have almost the same gain as IMLou when using the same site they used for mapping. Be interesting to hear thoughts when people actually ride it. Lou certainly doesn't have the climbing of LP or MT, but it's not exactly flat either. Have to wait and see, but it's still possible that someone expecting FL or AZ level flatness could be in for a little surprise. i'm guessing rolling hills - i did a ride on the W&OD trail this past weekend up in DC, and over the 56 miles that I did, I had a gain of 1700' but it wasn't that bad...only one (leading to a highway overpass that I really had to work for) - but like you said, we'll see |
| 2013-09-05 2:30 PM in reply to: austhokie |
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| 2013-09-05 2:33 PM in reply to: Fred D |
| Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today! Originally posted by Fred D Using total gain of elevation is fraught with problems. Depends how they measure it and technical nature of the course etc. Yep. On another note, I heard Tahoe was like 25,000 feet. |
| 2013-09-05 2:34 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
| Master 2725 Washington, DC Metro | Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today! Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by Fred D Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Fred D Downstream swim, wetsuit legal and not as blistering hot as Louisville and flatter bike will all make this race much more popular. I would bet this race sells out instantaneously every year, but that's just a guess. Comparatively, Arizona and Florida have flat courses and generally mild weather and they sell out quickly.... Add in a current assist swim and this race will have massive demand. Funny thing is none of these races interest me in the slightest (no nt because they are too 'easy') but because they are doing the school year and would be too much disruption for my family. Ymmv. I question the "wetsuit legal". Hard to predict the temp of the TN river but usually my swimming pool mirrors the river temp....and right now the temps are hoving around 82. Air temps this week in 89 +/- 2. Hard to imagine the river temp dropping to the mid to low 70s in the next 3 weeks. Anyway, when the water temp is in the 'borderline legal' range, I'm not gonna risk overheating wearing a wetsuit. Thanks, did not know that Mike. I suspect the main popularity of this event is time of year and location as it is really the only IM in the southeast aside from Panama City. Sounds like a good event, but it's not closer than IMLP or IMMT which have more appeal to me (Hills, small town atmosphere etc) I'm still kind of wondering how difficult the bike course will be. They certainly went around the big climbs, but it seems to have almost the same gain as IMLou when using the same site they used for mapping. Be interesting to hear thoughts when people actually ride it. Lou certainly doesn't have the climbing of LP or MT, but it's not exactly flat either. Have to wait and see, but it's still possible that someone expecting FL or AZ level flatness could be in for a little surprise. I agree... I don't think it'll be a pancake, but not horrible either. I'm waiting for the first few folks to post their garmin files from training rides. |
| 2013-09-05 2:36 PM in reply to: Fred D |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today! Originally posted by Fred D Using total gain of elevation is fraught with problems. Depends how they measure it and technical nature of the course etc. Very much agree, hence the "wait and see" back in my response. Only wanted to show that the course may still have some fun sections on it in even with how it's been advertised so far. |
| 2013-09-05 2:36 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
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| 2013-09-05 2:37 PM in reply to: Fred D |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today! Originally posted by Fred D Originally posted by Left Brain . No, no Tahoe has a climb that goes to 25,000'.... Originally posted by Fred D Using total gain of elevation is fraught with problems. Depends how they measure it and technical nature of the course etc. Yep. On another note, I heard Tahoe was like 25,000 feet. But it starts at over 18,000'! |
| 2013-09-05 2:39 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
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| 2013-09-05 2:46 PM in reply to: 0 |
| Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today! Originally posted by Fred D Originally posted by brigby1 . No doubt. I had heard that they had avoided BIG climbs, but IMWI has no big climbs and that is a very hard course. Poor (3rd world?) road surfaces and tons of turns throughout the course make it a huge challenge. Overall elevation gain is less than IMLP, but times aren't much faster. Even if the bike is 'hard', Mike will still have that downhill swim though.... (Pink) Originally posted by Fred D Using total gain of elevation is fraught with problems. Depends how they measure it and technical nature of the course etc. Very much agree, hence the "wait and see" back in my response. Only wanted to show that the course may still have some fun sections on it in even with how it's been advertised so far. I have done the Chattanooga Waterfront Oly twice in the TN and they were both down-river. I took my swim times from them and estimated I'd swim the 2.4 miles in 1:17. I sawm IMKY both times 1:30 or there abouts. So I'm thinking we will have an 'extra' 13 minutes to play with! I figure to use it to stop for lunch and have a pizza and cold beer..... Edited by Rogillio 2013-09-05 2:47 PM |
| 2013-09-05 3:10 PM in reply to: Fred D |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: IM Chattanooga - sign-up today! Originally posted by Fred D Originally posted by brigby1 . No doubt. I had heard that they had avoided BIG climbs, but IMWI has no big climbs and that is a very hard course. Poor (3rd world?) road surfaces .... Originally posted by Fred D Using total gain of elevation is fraught with problems. Depends how they measure it and technical nature of the course etc. Very much agree, hence the "wait and see" back in my response. Only wanted to show that the course may still have some fun sections on it in even with how it's been advertised so far. Huh?? The road's are not that bad. They've re-paved a few areas that were needing resurfacing, otherwise not an issue. There's a handful of "spotty" areas that have potholes and people would have to know the course well enough to avoid those. |
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