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2006-07-27 9:40 AM

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Subject: Thoughts on IMLP popularity
Yesterday in my log I mentioned that I couldn't believe IMLP sold out in 90 minutes on Monday. After thinking about it for a bit last night, I can actually totally believe it.

Here are some of the reasons:
- It's an IMNA event. Yes, it's a marketing brand and expensive, and the price and variety of IM branded products in the merchandise tent are over the top. But like McDonald's, Starbucks, or Home Depot, in most cases, you have a pretty good idea of what you're going to get from it.
- As an IMNA event with 2000+ competitors, it's an EVENT. It's not just a race, but a 3 or 4 day experience.

Now, those 2 reasons don't explain why AZ and CDA still have slots open. IMLP has what I believe are some very unique things going for it:
- It's the closest IM to several major population centers: New York, Boston, Washington, Philadelphia.
- The swim course. It's straight out, left turn, 25m or so, another left turn, straight back, then repeat. The water is clear. For those brave enough to get inside, there's a cable 5 feet under water that practically eliminates the need to sight. There's no current, no surf, and rarely any chop other than that created by the swimmers themselves. It's also incredibly spectator friendly. Not that they can pick you out, but any supporters can easily watch the entire swim portion from practically anywhere on the shore of the lake.
- The bike course. Yes, it's pretty hilly. But if you bring the right gearing and keep yourself under control, why should that matter other than pulling down your time a bit? Whether you're pushing 175 watts going uphill, downhill, or on a flat, it's still 175 watts. It's a freaking gorgeous ride along well-maintained roads. The descent into Keene is a blast if you've got the stomach to bomb it. The bike course is also about as spectator friendly as it can be with the chance for supporters to see you come right through downtown LP once each lap. Did I mention it's beautiful? Pick your head up a bit and look around. You won't miss those couple of extra seconds.
- The run course. People tend to ignore this a bit, but it's not easy (it's by FAR the toughest run course of any IMNA event). There are some nasty little hills you have to climb and descend, but like the bike, it's a gorgeous run. And speaking of spectator friendly, you go through downtown on the way out, come back through, and then repeat. That's 4 chances for friends and family to see you on the run.
- Did I mention a spectator friendly course yet? Someone watching this race can view the entire swim, see you twice on the bike, four times on the run, and still easily make it over to see you cross the finish line all without walking more than 1/4 mile all day!
- Crowd support. Since it's so spectator friendly, all those loops through downtown are packed with crowds. You feel like your climbing l'Alpe d'Huez when you're coming back into town on the bike with people crowding the road screaming your name and patting you on the back as you go by. You'll even see people sitting out in their yards out at mile 30 of the bike course cheering you by and they'll still be there when you come through for your second lap 3+ hours later.
- Community support. This also ties back to the second point about this being an event. Unlike FL, where many of the residents feel the IM is an intrusion, or AZ where you're basically an annoyance to people who live in what is a suburb of a major city, IMLP is one of the major happenings in Lake Placid for the whole year. During the week before the race, it is the ONLY thing happening for hundreds of miles around. And other than those that have simply accepted it and learned to stay away during that time of the year, most of the people in the area are generally enthusiastic about having it there. Being that the area is so small, you truly get immersed in the experience. EVERYONE around you is either there for the same reason you are or knows why you're there.
- The area. The Adirondacks are beautiful and offer a chance to have a real summer vacation at the same time you race. From the quaint downtown area, to the Olympic venues, being able to take bobsled ride and watch ski jumping in the middle of the summer, water sports, camping, hiking, you name it. Lake Placid and the surrounding areas are very much vacation spots. You could spend a week up there without the race and have a great time; thousands of people do.

I've lived in Panama City and in Tempe and I know that those places just can't compare as IM venues. I can't say anything about MOO or CDA, but I would find it hard to believe they have anything on LP. If you get the chance, don't miss the opportunity to do this race.


2006-07-27 9:48 AM
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Subject: RE: Thoughts on IMLP popularity
Absolutely right Dennis - I thought that I would want to do a different one when I do my next one in 2008, but I think I'll go right back to LP.
2006-07-27 1:24 PM
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You hit it right on the money, 100%.  The crowds, the volunteers, and the whole atmosphere...simply phenomenal.  It's the one race where if you go to volunteer, you can get caught up in the action and help out all day long and never be bored for one minute.  Food and lodging are a bit pricy because they raise the hotel rates for IM week.  But as far as a vacation, it'll be the best one you'll ever take, even if you're not racing.

 



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2006-07-27 1:32 PM
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Subject: RE: Thoughts on IMLP popularity
Perhaps posting this great write-up BEFORE the race sells out would be a better idea?

Great post however.

2006-07-27 4:46 PM
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coachese - 2006-07-27 1:32 PM

Perhaps posting this great write-up BEFORE the race sells out would be a better idea?




Heh, I was still asleep when the race sold out!!

Edited by dgunthert 2006-07-27 4:47 PM
2006-07-27 5:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Thoughts on IMLP popularity

Although I will have to take your word for the crowds and scenery, I think the reason that IMAZ and CDA are still open is the time of year. For those of us that can train all winter those are great races, but I can't imagine spending all winter on the stationary or treadmill, then roll out of bed in June and race. When AZ moves to the fall we will see if that one sells out in 90 minutes as well.

Having raced in CDA, I would have to say they have the most town support. Even IMNA says that CDA has then most supportive and entusiastic volunteers. While I was racing I couldn't believe how many people thanked us for racing there. These were people who live on the bike and run course, so they were trapped in their house for 17+ hours and still thanked us. You can't beat that.



2006-07-27 6:04 PM
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Subject: RE: Thoughts on IMLP popularity
I don't dispute any of your reasons for IMLP being so popular. With the exception of being easy driving distance from major metropolitan areas, all apply to IMC as well. IMC also has the bonus of being a one-loop course for all three segments.

However, as Madcow posts, the reasons for AZ and CdA not selling out as fast has more to do with their timing then their locale. Add a reputation for hot weather, and people are going to hold off to see if they can get in one of the other events. With LP filling so quickly, I imagine CdA and AZ will see another surge in registrants.

I imagine Wisconsin and Florida will sell out in less then a day as well.

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2006-07-27 7:52 PM
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Subject: RE: Thoughts on IMLP popularity
Suggestion to those gutted by this but looking for some of these features... a European IM...

- Not as expensive as you think.. looking at some of the hotel prices it could be cheaper
- For those with family, chance to do much more with it.
- If you think LP is scenic some of the European ones are awesome
- If you want a crowd, what about the several hundred thousand for Roth or Austria, mad Europeans ringing cow bells and narrowing the climb down to one bike wide as they scream hup-hup-hup - I challenge anyone not to go over their target effort level with that crowd...
- Fast courses, Pros finishing Roth in under 8 hrs...

I'm doing IMAZ as I'm unlikely to qualify for IMOZ (in my AG I would have needed a sub 5-hr 1/2 time last year) but its at a similar time so I can train with a group locally who are doing that, so the timing that's an issue for some is perfect for me. I looked at IMNZ, but after the organisation disaster last year not sure I want to risk it. Then I'm tossing up Roth or Austria for a second event. Mad, mad, mad - but most people reckon they are fitter and strong two weeks after an IM than when they raced so with three months to work upto another event I think I will be OK.

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2006-07-28 12:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Thoughts on IMLP popularity
And apparently draft legal...
2006-07-28 5:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Thoughts on IMLP popularity
I concur on time of year.

As soon as the weather starts to warm up in March, the training can begin.

Gorgeous place though -- and my girlfriend was able to get me three times during the run...
2006-07-28 8:30 PM
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CerveloP2K - 2006-07-28 4:54 PM  and my girlfriend was able to get me three times during the run...

WOW!  that's more than my wife and I in 1 week! 

 



2006-07-28 8:47 PM
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PGoldberger - 2006-07-28 12:45 PM And apparently draft legal...
as almost any IM or 70.3
2006-07-28 9:13 PM
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I guess what I said can be taken many ways...
2006-08-16 9:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Thoughts on IMLP popularity
I agree Lake Placid was one awesome experince and one I will never forget! tough but fair course and like i said before they treat it like it was another olympics. Athletes feel special wether they finished in 8 hours or 17 hours. This was my first ironman so obviously I am biased, but in doing six marathons including nyc and chicago I never felt more wanted or special as an athlete than at Lake Palcid!
2006-08-17 2:25 AM
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I will give Lake Placid a great #2 in crowd for endurance events. The Boston Marathon is by far unbeatable. I ran the 2005 BM and the ENTIRE ROUTE was covered by enthusiastic spectators. I want to believe LP was the best but the BM -- nothing beats it.

2006-08-17 4:56 PM
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You know what they say...

Nothing beats a good BM


2006-08-18 4:29 PM
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BadgerIronMan - 2006-08-17 3:56 PM You know what they say... Nothing beats a good BM

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