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 2006-07-31 8:58 AM |
Master  1201   Indian Harbour Beach, Florida |  Subject: Newbie swim question...When ya'll are practicing in the pool, do you give a hard push off at each length? Do you do flip turns or just that other kind of turn (I don't know what it is called)? Because I know I won't be able to push off from anything in the open water I haven't been pushing off at all, and no flip turns either. I just sort of touch the wall with my hand then softly turn around and try to get going again under my own steam with no shove off, which of course is nowhere NEAR as fun or fast as a hard push off would be. Maybe that's stupid and I should be pushing off? I'm really sort of clueless which would be best, so any advice would be greatly appreciated. |
| 2006-07-31 9:03 AM in reply to: #497985 |
Champion 6931   Bellingham, Washington | Subject: RE: Newbie swim question... Correct, no walls in OWS. I touch the wall with my hand, kinda turn and push off with feet. Sometimes not much of a push, use the arms to get going up to speed. Kinda like you would do if it was a deep water start or you had to stop and adjust goggles. It's all personal preference or use flip turns if you will have some races in a pool. |
| 2006-07-31 9:21 AM in reply to: #497985 |
Extreme Veteran 382 Quebec City | Subject: RE: Newbie swim question... I DON'T FLIP AS THEY ARE NO WALLS IN OWS, ON THE OTHER HAND I DO PUSH NORMALLY TO GET UP TO SPEED AS IN OWS I DONT HAVE TO STOP........ |
| 2006-07-31 9:30 AM in reply to: #497985 |
Veteran 225 Dothan, Alabama | Subject: RE: Newbie swim question... I do flip turns all the time. It helps with breathing and breath control. No, there are no walls in OWS, but then you don't have to do a 180 every 25 yds either. |
| 2006-07-31 9:53 AM in reply to: #497985 |
| New user 11 | Subject: RE: Newbie swim question... It's just more satisfying for me to do flip turns (and push offs), rather than have to deal with starting from a near dead stop every turn (which, as noted, you won't be doing in an OWS either). If you're not experienced with flip turns and are only swimming for purposes of competing in triathlon OWSs, then I suppose you might not want to deal with learning how to do a good flip turn. But don't you kind of just want to go as fast as you can in the pool? |
| 2006-07-31 11:05 AM in reply to: #497985 |
| Member 59 | Subject: RE: Newbie swim question... if you know how to do a flip turn, there is really no disadvantage to doing them even though there arent any in open waters. not only will it give you some breath control, it maintains your speed better for the following lap better than an open turn (this is the other kind of turn you alluded to). the idea of a flip turn is to use the your momentum to "flip" while at the wall. the open turn on the other hand does not continue your momentum as affectively because you are literally stopping at the wall every time. over the course of a workout flip turns will save you some energy because the first few strokes after the turn wont require as much effort because you will be exiting the wall faster. this is standard practice during all swim workouts. |
| 2006-07-31 11:10 AM in reply to: #497985 |
Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: Newbie swim question... I haven't learned to flip turn yet so I give myself a healthy push off when I turn. Sure you don't have a wall to push off in an OWS but you also aren't stopping and starting from a dead stop (hopefully) every 25m either. |
| 2006-07-31 11:25 AM in reply to: #497985 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Newbie swim question... I always do flip turns and there is another reason that has not been discussed yet - body position. In order to swim as efficiently as possible, we need to be aware of our position in the water and the faster we move in the water the more aware we are of our position. Shane |
| 2006-07-31 12:18 PM in reply to: #497985 |
| Extreme Veteran 392 Northern California | Subject: RE: Newbie swim question... I'm a newbie also. I've been doing the same thing TBZ has been doing: touch the end and turn with no push off. I kinda thought it was like cheating myself. I thought it would make my times artificially faster. I especially thought this because I make twice as many turns: my pool is 13.33yards long, so I do 1 lap (2 lengths) for 25yards ( I round down). So, it sounds like the consensus is that pushing off makes up for the time lost in stopping for the turn? Now I'm wondering how much faster my times would be if I was pushing off on my turns (since I make so darn many of them). brad |
| 2006-07-31 12:28 PM in reply to: #498285 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Newbie swim question... bshehan - 2006-07-31 1:18 PM I'm a newbie also. I've been doing the same thing TBZ has been doing: touch the end and turn with no push off. I kinda thought it was like cheating myself. I thought it would make my times artificially faster. I especially thought this because I make twice as many turns: my pool is 13.33yards long, so I do 1 lap (2 lengths) for 25yards ( I round down). So, it sounds like the consensus is that pushing off makes up for the time lost in stopping for the turn? Now I'm wondering how much faster my times would be if I was pushing off on my turns (since I make so darn many of them). brad Not quite - you may swim faster in OW or the pool but it depends on several factors including sighting, wetsuit, waves, breathing, pacing, pushoff, actual length of the OW course, etc. Personally I swim faster in the pool but many people swim faster in OW. Shane |
| 2006-07-31 12:29 PM in reply to: #497985 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: Newbie swim question... I would say push off in the pool. Because in OWS, you HOPEFULLY won't have something stopping you from swimming. I think it's OK to cheat when a wall stops you from swimming! |
| 2006-07-31 10:01 PM in reply to: #497985 |
Member 38 Los Angeles | Subject: RE: Newbie swim question... Indeed, I have been wondering what I should be doing. What I am doing in the pool is a push off. |
| 2006-08-01 1:34 AM in reply to: #497985 |
| Expert 1113 Las Vegas | Subject: RE: Newbie swim question... I like to mix it up, push off every once in a while, and get rowing under my own steam the other times. I have done 2 Tris to date...an OWS and a Pool. So I guess I should be versed in both. |
| 2006-08-01 5:26 AM in reply to: #497985 |
Member 25 Kennesaw GA | Subject: RE: Newbie swim question... I don't think it really matters. As long as you are putting in the distance and concentrating on form, I don't think you gain any advantage by flipping or touching. The best way to prepare for open water swimming is to swim in open water. Check out your local Tri or swim clubs to see if they participate or hold such practices. G |
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