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Question about groupset for new bike
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 2014-01-19 4:48 AM |
 33 |  Subject: Question about groupset for new bikeHi there. Got an extra 1+1/2 months of work for the spring, and I thought I'd invest in a new bike. Probably going with a Canyon ultimate AL/AL SLX (roadbike). They ship with SRAM force 22, Ultegra Di2 RD-6870 11s, Campy Athena 11s and Ultegra RD-6700. I have a Nishiki cyclocross that I feel just doesn't do it on the 100km+ rides, and last season I bought a Trek SpeedConcept 2.5 that I'm very happy with. Thing is I live in the city atm, and doing shorter rides on my tribike is really frustrating. Takes me about 40min to even get to a good road. With a roadbike could join local grouprides, and put in a bit more effort on shorter rides in the city. My SpeedConcept has full SRAM Apex 10 speed, and it works just fine for now. I'd like to upgrade the wheels for my upcoming IM though (Bontrager Approved aluminium rims), and everything seems to be going towards 11s. The old wheels aren't really worth anything, so I wouldn't mind not using them anymore, but I guess you can get 10s stuff really cheap. The Campy ship with a heavier frame, but out of the three brands it's the one I like the most. Tried to find some pages on compatibility between the different brands, but couldn't find a definite answer. One option is going with the SRAM force on the roadbike, and upgrading to rival/force 11s on the tribike. This would allow me to use the same wheels on both bikes, but I'm not really sure how much use this is in the end. I guess it would be almost the same amount of work to change the rear derailleur and cassette to campy, but would this work with the sram front derailleur? And then there is this whole debate of which brand really is the best. The SRAMs shifting is really like hitting the bike with a sledgehammer compared to the Campagnolo Athena I tried, but the Apex does work flawlessly (so far). |
| 2014-01-19 8:23 AM in reply to: JPanula |
Pro 5892    , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: Question about groupset for new bike I love Campy and have that on all my bikes, excel my tri bike where I have Di2 (just was more cost effective). With that said, out of those, I would easily get the Ultegra Di2, just set up a friends bike with it and it's absolutely amazing. Electronic shifting really allows for shifting under much higher power without any mis-shifts and and once set up, never goes out of true. Plus, if you ever wanted to get a pair of clip on aero bars on your road bike, you could just add the bar end shifters and gain perfect shifting from both positions. |
| 2014-01-19 9:02 AM in reply to: JPanula |
Expert 2373 Floriduh | Subject: RE: Question about groupset for new bike I'd have to agree with above, everything that I have heard about Di2 is very favorable, just a bit rich for my blood. As for 11s being a true "upgrade" from 10s I am dubious. Just seems like a case of "one louder" (paraphrased from Spinal Tap). |
| 2014-01-19 11:38 AM in reply to: 0 |
Extreme Veteran 1986 Cypress, TX | Subject: RE: Question about groupset for new bike I have been using Di2 since early-2011. That was the first iteration of 10-speed Dura-Ace Di2 on my 2011 Speed Concept. I bought a 2014 Speed Concept this past September that has the 11-speed Dura-Ace Di2. Di2 is every bit as good as advertised. I love it! It's expensive but now the Ultegra Di2 option makes is a little more affordable than the Dura-ace version. Do we need 11-speed over 10-speed? Nope... but that's where the industry is heading. Shimano has already all but abandoned its support for 10-speed Di2 as replacement parts and all that are very, very scarce. In a couple of years all new road and tri bikes (mechanical or electronic) will be 11-speed. Edited by GMAN 19030 2014-01-19 11:39 AM |
| 2014-01-19 11:44 AM in reply to: JPanula |
Pro 5892 , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: Question about groupset for new bike I should've commented about the 11 speed wheels as well… For Campagnolo, the current hubs are 9, 10, and 11 speed compatible, so there's plenty of wheel choices, both new and used. For Shimano, you need an 11 speed hub to run 11 speed, but these wheels are also 10 speed compatible by adding a 2.8mm spacer between the last (largest) cog (of if you are currently using the 1mm spacer that comes with Shimano cassettes, just use the 1.8mm additional spacer to achieve the same result). At this point, if I would buy a new pair of Shimano compatible wheels, I would get the 11 speed hub… that way you're future proofed. |
| 2014-01-19 11:55 AM in reply to: audiojan |
Extreme Veteran 1986 Cypress, TX | Subject: RE: Question about groupset for new bike It's also worth mentioning that not all wheels are 11-speed compatible or will require a new free hub which costs between $150-$200 per wheel. I learned a hard lesson when I switched from 10 to 11. I'm a gear monger so I had a boatload of wheels. I had five rear wheels: Hed Jet Disc - could not be converted Zipp 900 Disc - could not be converted Hed Jet 9 - $150 hub upgrade Bontrager Aeolus 9 D3 carbon clincher - $150 upgrade Bontrager Aura 5 - $150 upgrade I chose to sell the Hed and Zipp wheels and kept the Bontrager wheels. |
| 2014-01-20 1:40 PM in reply to: GMAN 19030 |
| 33 | Subject: RE: Question about groupset for new bike Thank you all for your responses. Seems like there is strong support for the Di2. Always been a bit skeptical towards electronic shifting, but you all seem to like it very much. I was indeed considering adding aero bars, so the bar end sifters are definitely a good argument for the Di2. So if I go with the Di2, how would that work with my tri bike? I don't own any wheels of value yet, so considering how hard the industry is pushing the 11-speed it seems like the way to go for me. The Canyon ships with better wheels than my tri bike currently has, and i would help my financial situation if could postpone getting new wheels for the tri bike. Getting a new 11-speed derailleur (force or rival), wouldn't be that expensive, and I think my current wheels could fit an 11-speed cassette. Would I be able to use the rear wheel with the ultegra cassette on my tri bike (with new 11-speed derailleur) in races without changing the cassette? This would allow me to train with my roadbike (and do a long ride on my tri bike once a week), and then use the wheels from my roadbike on my tribike in races. Sorry if my explanation is a bit messy, I hope you see what I'm trying to explain  |
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