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2014-03-30 2:07 PM in reply to: switch |
Member 119 Ledyard, CT | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge The stars aligned for me today, and I seized the opportunity to get in an n+2 swim! After receiving the tips from my friend on Thursday night, I was anxious to get back into the pool to work on my form. The purpose of my swim today was to work on improving my form (taking a full stroke instead of stopping at my waist) and pacing. 200 w/u 100 k 4 x 100 @ 2:00 4 x 75 @ 1:30 4 x 50 @ 1:00 4 x 25 @ 30 4 x 50 @ 1:00 4 x 75 @ 1:30 4 x 100 @ 2:00 250 c/d Total: 2450 yds During my w/u and c/d I made sure to feel my thumbs brush against my thighs to complete a full stroke. I also tried to focus on that during my main set. I definitely felt a difference in my stroke just by making this change. As far as pacing, I went out way too fast (~1:35) on the first two 100s of the main set. I was able to hang on for the rest of the 100s, but suffered through the 75s even though my pace got under control by that point. Once I settled into my pace the rest of the set was pretty good. My last 4 100s were very consistent (between 1:42 and 1:44) which I was pretty happy about. |
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2014-03-30 11:07 PM in reply to: MikeyP4 |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge That's a great workout Mike. I think I will do something similar this week. I am curious about the stroke extension. One of the last things I was working on last year with an instructor was to do the opposite and not pull beyond my waist. She said that I was creating more drag than propulsion by trailing my arm. It also promoted a higher, more relaxed recovery that would naturally introduce a little glide in my stroke. I am no expert and rely pretty heavily on what I'm told so I'm now wondering if I am now doing something wrong or is this one of those things that has different schools of thought. |
2014-03-31 2:43 AM in reply to: popsracer |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by popsracer That's a great workout Mike. I think I will do something similar this week. I am curious about the stroke extension. One of the last things I was working on last year with an instructor was to do the opposite and not pull beyond my waist. She said that I was creating more drag than propulsion by trailing my arm. It also promoted a higher, more relaxed recovery that would naturally introduce a little glide in my stroke. I am no expert and rely pretty heavily on what I'm told so I'm now wondering if I am now doing something wrong or is this one of those things that has different schools of thought. Without seeing strokes it's difficult to say for sure but it could be that both instructors are "right". You may have been overdoing it and so she got you to think about stopping sooner while Mike may have been stopping too soon and so the instructor has him exaggerating the motion. The end result could be that you both finish at the same place. |
2014-03-31 6:13 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Swim #1 for the week done. It was a bit of a low key effort as I didn't have much mojo this morning. 50 mins, 2500 meters 200 swim Swim team kids were in the lanes beside me doing a redonkulous kick set that was making me feel very inferior! |
2014-03-31 8:03 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Expert 4651 Middle River, Maryland | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by axteraa Swim #1 for the week done. It was a bit of a low key effort as I didn't have much mojo this morning. 50 mins, 2500 meters 200 swim Swim team kids were in the lanes beside me doing a redonkulous kick set that was making me feel very inferior! I watched a swim meet all weekend...I'm right with ya. And this was the 'B' Championships...not even the really good AG swimmers. And a quick kid brag...11 YO daughter posted her first BB time, in the 50 backstroke, on Saturday. She also did the same in the 50 free yesterday but the meet officials somehow deleted the entire heat and they had to swim it again at the end of the meet (right after she had just swam the 100 IM and a relay leg within the last 10 minutes) and she missed it by 0.2 seconds. Her coach was livid with the officials and I would have been really upset, but she just shrugged it off. Awesome weekend all around, and since it rained hard all weekend we didn't miss anything by being inside for 10 hours. Only two swims on the docket for me this week...recovery week but I'll still get my Masters session in Friday. Happy Monday! |
2014-03-31 8:37 AM in reply to: jmhpsu93 |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge I didn't get to do my n + 1 swim last week due to my being out of town, but I have a race this week, so I'll definitely get 4 in. Today's set: WU: 350 @ low aerobic intensity 2600m |
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2014-03-31 9:39 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by axteraa I have heard two different schools of thought on this one too. I think it may, in part, be different depending on if you're pool swimming (smooth wter) v OWS (choppy water lots of people), as I have heard some people who promote the higher turnover stroke argue that you're not gaining a lot by that brush-the-hip finish (G Rodriguez maybe?), but I've watched plenty of youtube videos where coaches or swimmers have talked about brushing the hip.Originally posted by popsracer That's a great workout Mike. I think I will do something similar this week. I am curious about the stroke extension. One of the last things I was working on last year with an instructor was to do the opposite and not pull beyond my waist. She said that I was creating more drag than propulsion by trailing my arm. It also promoted a higher, more relaxed recovery that would naturally introduce a little glide in my stroke. I am no expert and rely pretty heavily on what I'm told so I'm now wondering if I am now doing something wrong or is this one of those things that has different schools of thought. Without seeing strokes it's difficult to say for sure but it could be that both instructors are "right". You may have been overdoing it and so she got you to think about stopping sooner while Mike may have been stopping too soon and so the instructor has him exaggerating the motion. The end result could be that you both finish at the same place. |
2014-03-31 9:40 AM in reply to: jmhpsu93 |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by jmhpsu93 That's GREAT about your daughter Mike! So awesome! I would have been seething if I were her--very cool that she can just roll with stuff like that. That's as impressive as her times:)Originally posted by axteraa Swim #1 for the week done. It was a bit of a low key effort as I didn't have much mojo this morning. 50 mins, 2500 meters 200 swim Swim team kids were in the lanes beside me doing a redonkulous kick set that was making me feel very inferior! I watched a swim meet all weekend...I'm right with ya. And this was the 'B' Championships...not even the really good AG swimmers. And a quick kid brag...11 YO daughter posted her first BB time, in the 50 backstroke, on Saturday. She also did the same in the 50 free yesterday but the meet officials somehow deleted the entire heat and they had to swim it again at the end of the meet (right after she had just swam the 100 IM and a relay leg within the last 10 minutes) and she missed it by 0.2 seconds. Her coach was livid with the officials and I would have been really upset, but she just shrugged it off. Awesome weekend all around, and since it rained hard all weekend we didn't miss anything by being inside for 10 hours. Only two swims on the docket for me this week...recovery week but I'll still get my Masters session in Friday. Happy Monday!
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2014-03-31 9:43 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by axteraa You?? You feel inferior in the pool?? Ever??Swim #1 for the week done. It was a bit of a low key effort as I didn't have much mojo this morning. 50 mins, 2500 meters 200 swim Swim team kids were in the lanes beside me doing a redonkulous kick set that was making me feel very inferior! What does a redonkulous kick set look like? Do I want to know? |
2014-03-31 9:45 AM in reply to: MikeyP4 |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by MikeyP4 The stars aligned for me today, and I seized the opportunity to get in an n+2 swim! After receiving the tips from my friend on Thursday night, I was anxious to get back into the pool to work on my form. The purpose of my swim today was to work on improving my form (taking a full stroke instead of stopping at my waist) and pacing. 200 w/u 100 k 4 x 100 @ 2:00 4 x 75 @ 1:30 4 x 50 @ 1:00 4 x 25 @ 30 4 x 50 @ 1:00 4 x 75 @ 1:30 4 x 100 @ 2:00 250 c/d Total: 2450 yds During my w/u and c/d I made sure to feel my thumbs brush against my thighs to complete a full stroke. I also tried to focus on that during my main set. I definitely felt a difference in my stroke just by making this change. As far as pacing, I went out way too fast (~1:35) on the first two 100s of the main set. I was able to hang on for the rest of the 100s, but suffered through the 75s even though my pace got under control by that point. Once I settled into my pace the rest of the set was pretty good. My last 4 100s were very consistent (between 1:42 and 1:44) which I was pretty happy about. Look at you go with settling your pacing! Bonus point for getting a +2 swim. Isn't it funny how when it starts to click you're trying to figure out ways to get in an extra pool session? I love that :) |
2014-03-31 10:41 AM in reply to: switch |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by switch Originally posted by axteraa You?? You feel inferior in the pool?? Ever??Swim #1 for the week done. It was a bit of a low key effort as I didn't have much mojo this morning. 50 mins, 2500 meters 200 swim Swim team kids were in the lanes beside me doing a redonkulous kick set that was making me feel very inferior! What does a redonkulous kick set look like? Do I want to know? I didn't look at the details of the kick set but they did a lot, for quite a while and you could tell they were working hard. |
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2014-03-31 11:20 AM in reply to: switch |
Member 119 Ledyard, CT | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by switch Originally posted by MikeyP4 The stars aligned for me today, and I seized the opportunity to get in an n+2 swim! After receiving the tips from my friend on Thursday night, I was anxious to get back into the pool to work on my form. The purpose of my swim today was to work on improving my form (taking a full stroke instead of stopping at my waist) and pacing. 200 w/u 100 k 4 x 100 @ 2:00 4 x 75 @ 1:30 4 x 50 @ 1:00 4 x 25 @ 30 4 x 50 @ 1:00 4 x 75 @ 1:30 4 x 100 @ 2:00 250 c/d Total: 2450 yds During my w/u and c/d I made sure to feel my thumbs brush against my thighs to complete a full stroke. I also tried to focus on that during my main set. I definitely felt a difference in my stroke just by making this change. As far as pacing, I went out way too fast (~1:35) on the first two 100s of the main set. I was able to hang on for the rest of the 100s, but suffered through the 75s even though my pace got under control by that point. Once I settled into my pace the rest of the set was pretty good. My last 4 100s were very consistent (between 1:42 and 1:44) which I was pretty happy about. Look at you go with settling your pacing! Bonus point for getting a +2 swim. Isn't it funny how when it starts to click you're trying to figure out ways to get in an extra pool session? I love that Now if I can only get my pacing down without blowing myself up first! It'll come in time, I'm sure. |
2014-03-31 11:27 AM in reply to: MikeyP4 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by MikeyP4 Now if I can only get my pacing down without blowing myself up first! It'll come in time, I'm sure. Try thinking of it as a descending set so the first one or two should be at an easy effort and then you start working harder as it goes along. This may result in even paced times, it might result in getting faster as you go along. Either one is a good result and you will get a better feel for pacing the more you do it. |
2014-03-31 12:15 PM in reply to: 0 |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by MikeyP4 Now if I can only get my pacing down without blowing myself up first! It'll come in time, I'm sure. Try thinking of it as a descending set so the first one or two should be at an easy effort and then you start working harder as it goes along. This may result in even paced times, it might result in getting faster as you go along. Either one is a good result and you will get a better feel for pacing the more you do it. If you're not used to doing it, the first ones will often feel ridiculously easy. Seriously. Last night at masters we were grouped more according to various upcoming meet. The people I was with are normally several lanes over. At the start, sure enough, they kept fairly close to me for the first 50 (~:38) and then fell off from there (we were doing 150's to start). I don't think any of them can repeatedly do 1:20 100's on much of any send-off, so yeah, there was a little excitement at first and put themselves in a hole. Keep working on getting it. While one of a number of things, know that all of these people were faster than me when starting masters ~1 1/2 years ago. Edited by brigby1 2014-03-31 12:24 PM |
2014-03-31 1:39 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge
Week 3, 1/7 The water felt great. I really do love swimming now. My plan is to try to have a decent "n" this week, but to keep individual swims low volume--trying not to lose whatever feel I have for the water. |
2014-03-31 2:01 PM in reply to: switch |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by switch
Week 3, 1/7 The water felt great. I really do love swimming now. My plan is to try to have a decent "n" this week, but to keep individual swims low volume--trying not to lose whatever feel I have for the water. Really glad to hear you are doing well and coming out of this ok. Stay a little cautious though. I hope everyone is having a nice Spring Monday. It is absolutely beautiful outside today here. |
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2014-03-31 3:21 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Member 119 Ledyard, CT | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by MikeyP4 Now if I can only get my pacing down without blowing myself up first! It'll come in time, I'm sure. Try thinking of it as a descending set so the first one or two should be at an easy effort and then you start working harder as it goes along. This may result in even paced times, it might result in getting faster as you go along. Either one is a good result and you will get a better feel for pacing the more you do it. If you're not used to doing it, the first ones will often feel ridiculously easy. Seriously. Last night at masters we were grouped more according to various upcoming meet. The people I was with are normally several lanes over. At the start, sure enough, they kept fairly close to me for the first 50 (~:38) and then fell off from there (we were doing 150's to start). I don't think any of them can repeatedly do 1:20 100's on much of any send-off, so yeah, there was a little excitement at first and put themselves in a hole. Keep working on getting it. While one of a number of things, know that all of these people were faster than me when starting masters ~1 1/2 years ago. You hit on another thing that I need to work on more, across all three disciplines. I'm sure it's just the competitive nature but I will usually go out at a pace matching those around me (whether it be on the bike, in the water or on a run). I have to keep telling myself to move at MY pace and not the pace of some stranger standing next to me. Once again, thanks to you and Arend for the tips and insight. |
2014-03-31 3:23 PM in reply to: switch |
Member 119 Ledyard, CT | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by switch
Week 3, 1/7 The water felt great. I really do love swimming now. My plan is to try to have a decent "n" this week, but to keep individual swims low volume--trying not to lose whatever feel I have for the water. Glad to hear that you were able to get back into it without too many issues. Hope your shoulder continues to improve! |
2014-03-31 10:45 PM in reply to: MikeyP4 |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by MikeyP4 Originally posted by brigby1 You hit on another thing that I need to work on more, across all three disciplines. I'm sure it's just the competitive nature but I will usually go out at a pace matching those around me (whether it be on the bike, in the water or on a run). I have to keep telling myself to move at MY pace and not the pace of some stranger standing next to me. Once again, thanks to you and Arend for the tips and insight. Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by MikeyP4 Now if I can only get my pacing down without blowing myself up first! It'll come in time, I'm sure. Try thinking of it as a descending set so the first one or two should be at an easy effort and then you start working harder as it goes along. This may result in even paced times, it might result in getting faster as you go along. Either one is a good result and you will get a better feel for pacing the more you do it. If you're not used to doing it, the first ones will often feel ridiculously easy. Seriously. Last night at masters we were grouped more according to various upcoming meet. The people I was with are normally several lanes over. At the start, sure enough, they kept fairly close to me for the first 50 (~:38) and then fell off from there (we were doing 150's to start). I don't think any of them can repeatedly do 1:20 100's on much of any send-off, so yeah, there was a little excitement at first and put themselves in a hole. Keep working on getting it. While one of a number of things, know that all of these people were faster than me when starting masters ~1 1/2 years ago. I could show the rationale more using power on the bike, but I think you're getting the idea. Some of the others at masters are rather quick, and could do that to me. And I'll have to share a lane with them. I'll do my pacing, but still use them for motivation in trying to limit losses. So other people can still be used so long as there is awareness of the limitations with this. It's very motivating to swim well with these other guys around. |
2014-04-01 7:36 AM in reply to: 0 |
Expert 4651 Middle River, Maryland | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Morning, everyone. 1K swim this morning: 1000Y/20SCY I was a little sluggish at first this morning...we went to Orioles opening day yesterday and I might have had a few beers. Edited by jmhpsu93 2014-04-01 7:37 AM |
2014-04-01 1:48 PM in reply to: jmhpsu93 |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Week 3, 2/7, yds 1800 Shoulder feels OK, but as I up the power I feel it more. I think it might be a while before I can do big sets or any sprints. |
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2014-04-01 4:12 PM in reply to: jmhpsu93 |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by jmhpsu93 Morning, everyone. 1K swim this morning: 1000Y/20SCY I was a little sluggish at first this morning...we went to Orioles opening day yesterday and I might have had a few beers. Way to hang tough Mike. Baseball and beers sound like a perfect Spring outing. |
2014-04-02 6:40 AM in reply to: popsracer |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge After spending 3 hours yesterday clearing snow, my upper body was feeling a bit flat and stiff in the pool this morning. Over all not bad but just missing the high end gears. 200 swim |
2014-04-02 8:11 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge 1:11 on a kick set? Daaaaaamn. The whole set looks tough. Two questions: What's the trick to turning with fins--how do you push off the wall? When you pull, do you mean pull with paddles and a PB or just a PB? Someone wrote in a thread the other day that real swimmers only do paddles and PB, but I've seen ours (both high school and college) do both. I was wondering if maybe that was a program specific thing?
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2014-04-02 8:24 AM in reply to: switch |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: n + 1 swim challenge Originally posted by switch 1:11 on a kick set? Daaaaaamn. The whole set looks tough. Two questions: What's the trick to turning with fins--how do you push off the wall? When you pull, do you mean pull with paddles and a PB or just a PB? Someone wrote in a thread the other day that real swimmers only do paddles and PB, but I've seen ours (both high school and college) do both. I was wondering if maybe that was a program specific thing?
1:11 with fins - can't even get in the same timezone without them. Under 2:00 without would be good for me. Since I was kicking on my back with no board, I just did flip turns which makes it a lot easier. If I'm using a board then as I approach the wall, I do one pull with the board using my left arm which rotates me onto my right side while I reach for the wall with my right arm. As I grab the wall I bring my feet under me to the wall heels first (which means the fins don't catch on water) and then push off. When I say pull, I mean just using a pullbuoy. I will specifically write pull w/ paddles if that's what I use. I was tempted to respond to that guy in the thread saying he was wrong but wasn't in the mood to pick a fight at the time. When the swim team coach here says pull, it's the same. If he wants paddles he specifies it.
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