do you ever give unsolicited advice?
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2014-04-14 10:25 AM |
Veteran 327 | Subject: do you ever give unsolicited advice? This morning I was in the pool getting my early swim in and noticed a guy get in the lane beside me that I had not noticed before. I started my warm up and I noticed him swim his first length. To sum it up he looked very uncomfortable and was barely able to make it 25 yds before being completely out of breath. He took a little time on the wall and started back. This time he had to stand up about 3/4 of the way back down the lane from being out of breath. I understood the struggle this guy was having as it has been chronicled on this board too many time to count. A part of me wanted to stop and give him some helpful pointers but I also didn't want to come off as an arrogant pr*ck. Do you ever stop and give someone help in a situation like this or do you wait for them to come to you? |
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2014-04-14 10:32 AM in reply to: clemson05 |
over a barrier | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? Tricky situation. Generally no, I've given them out in the past here an there but only when I see the same person over and over and they "know" me. If it was just a random dude or girl, nope. In my experience, it isn't received well. |
2014-04-14 10:41 AM in reply to: clemson05 |
Pro 5169 Burbs | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? No. IMHO, 99% of the time it comes across as obnoxious. |
2014-04-14 10:43 AM in reply to: clemson05 |
Master 1473 | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? Only on internet forums..... I would not give advice in that situation unless I was approached. |
2014-04-14 10:54 AM in reply to: clemson05 |
Veteran 1384 Panama City, FL | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? I go back to my golf days: Unless requested, no advice. |
2014-04-14 11:05 AM in reply to: taylorz13 |
Extreme Veteran 3020 | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? No, I don't. |
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2014-04-14 11:15 AM in reply to: jarvy01 |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? There have been times I really wanted to when I see someone regularly at the pool floundering but I keep my mouth shut. Whence you start where do you stop? If someone asks I'll certainly take the time but it is very unlikely anyone asks. |
2014-04-14 11:21 AM in reply to: popsracer |
Expert 3126 Boise, ID | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice?
I would probably try to make myself available to help (ie take a break at the wall with them) but I wouldn't jump into advice giving unless asked. |
2014-04-14 11:34 AM in reply to: clemson05 |
Pro 4675 Wisconsin near the Twin Cities metro | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? Not exactly sure what you would say anyway? If he was simply a new swimmer and totally out of swim shape and couldn't make it 50 yds without stopping, what can you say? Train more? On the other hand, if you both happen to be taking a break at the wall and you exchange "how's it going?" out of general courtesy and he opens up first and says he needs help then the door is open..... |
2014-04-14 11:52 AM in reply to: clemson05 |
49 | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? As a person who currently flails from one end of the pool to the other, I would be both grateful and deeply embarrassed if someone offered me unsolicited advice in the pool. The former because I am acutely aware I need the help. The latter because I am acutely aware that I need the help, and would prefer that we pretend that you don't see me struggling with my 8x25 while you pound out your 2000y workout. I'm already embarrassed that the lifeguard once stopped me in the middle of a lap to ask if I needed help. That's just me, though. |
2014-04-14 12:02 PM in reply to: runbugjones |
Champion 7704 Williamston, Michigan | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? In general no. I simply don't have the energy. And for some reason, despite having been in this sport almost 10 years, and having completed 6 IMs, it seems like at every race of any distance people think its my first. Yeah my body fat is over 2% but still....do you REALLY think a 1st timer would have a $4000 bike with race wheels? REALLY? Do I LOOK like I REALLY need help setting up my transition area...mind your own beeswax. Pisses me off. If someone asks for help I always help tho. |
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2014-04-14 12:14 PM in reply to: Socks |
Expert 1263 Wendell, NC | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? There's a guy at my lap pool who swims like a dying minnow. It's physically painful to watch. He wallows along back and forth for a good hour a few times a week. I bite my tongue every time I see him. I just want to say "Dude, that would be so much more satisfying if you'd get in a few coached sessions." |
2014-04-14 12:31 PM in reply to: La Tortuga |
Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? Interesting because I have received unsolicited advice in the pool and was very appreciative at the time. It was very simple "would you like some help with your stroke?" Me - YES! The person who asked was a swim instructor and I wound up signing up for his beginning swimming classes. I always think of that day when I see people struggling in the pool but I never say anything because 1.) I am not a swim instructor and 2.) our Y is full of swim instructors who may not appreciate me giving out free advice . Sometimes beginners will comment about my swimming. I make sure to tell them that I've had lessons and refer them to a class or private instructor. |
2014-04-14 12:44 PM in reply to: clemson05 |
1660 | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? It depends on the circumstance.
If it's a masters swim and someone in my lane or who's clearly trying to get better has an obvious stroke deficit that they're not noticing, I'll comment on it.
If it's anything else, I won't. Because quite a lot of folks are perfectly happy at their pace, whether it's slow or inefficient or not, and are content with just getting a decent workout. |
2014-04-14 12:46 PM in reply to: clemson05 |
63 | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? I don't because I am new and don't have much advice. A guy at the pool a month or so back paused when I was on the wall (probably after watching my legs drag and terrible stroke) and said casually "you training for a tri?". It was such a great opener as it gave me the chance to basically say "yeah" and let it be, or to say "just trying to relearn how to swim". Asking that, or some variation, is much softer than just spitting out something. |
2014-04-14 12:51 PM in reply to: trigal38 |
Veteran 327 Plaquemine, Louisiana | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? Originally posted by trigal38 Interesting because I have received unsolicited advice in the pool and was very appreciative at the time. It was very simple "would you like some help with your stroke?" Me - YES! The person who asked was a swim instructor and I wound up signing up for his beginning swimming classes. I always think of that day when I see people struggling in the pool but I never say anything because 1.) I am not a swim instructor and 2.) our Y is full of swim instructors who may not appreciate me giving out free advice . Sometimes beginners will comment about my swimming. I make sure to tell them that I've had lessons and refer them to a class or private instructor. This. There have been times when I was struggling so bad I hoped somebody would offer advice. But then again you can't tell who will be receptive. |
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2014-04-14 1:08 PM in reply to: DigitalRain |
Champion 10018 , Minnesota | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? The pool is, of course, the one area where this comes up a lot. I do the same as another person suggested, which is try to time breaks and make myself available if the person looks like they are floundering and may be open to help. I may also smile or try to engage them (without being creepy) so they know I am approachable. Usually I hold my tongue unless asked. I don't really want to spend a bunch of time, but so often there are quick things you can recommend without being overwhelming. I also think that people may not realize some obvious flaws that you just need another set of eyes to tell you about, like crossing the midline. |
2014-04-14 1:10 PM in reply to: DigitalRain |
Pro 6191 | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? I'll usually give them the "How's it going?" and sort of determine based on their answer & the conversation that follows (if any) if I should say anything. When I want help, I'll usually just ask... like "how do you keep your arms so relaxed when you run" or show up to a roadie ride and apologize for being a triathlete |
2014-04-14 1:17 PM in reply to: clemson05 |
Pro 4578 Vancouver, BC | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? Sometimes, but I always ask them if they want some advice or a tip first. I've been riding at the velodrome for awhile now, so my skills are decent. There's always a lot of new guys who are strong, but lack skills, so we often end up in the same race or workout. If I notice something obvious and think I can help them, after we get off of the track, I usually ask them, "Hey do you want some advice?" They seem to appreciate it. |
2014-04-14 2:45 PM in reply to: clemson05 |
278 Atlanta, Georgia | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? Funny you mention this. Just this morning I was in the pool & there was an older guy in the lane next to me. The lane was marked for lap swim, but he was basically aqua jogging & the other guy in his lane was having to constantly swim around him. I wanted to tell him that only one lane over was the free swim lane & he could jog all he wanted without getting in this poor guy's way. I kept my mouth shut & figured it wasn't my lane, and if the guy doing laps had no issue with it, why should I? Good thing I did. The guy doing laps was his son (or son-in-law) as I overheard their conversation at the wall after one of my intervals. It would have been really awkward if I piped up & said "Hey man, move over. You know that lane is for lap swimming?" & then ended up with both guys pissed at me for offering my two cents when they weren't wanted or needed. |
2014-04-14 3:31 PM in reply to: Meathead |
Expert 1224 Is this Heaven? No, it's Iowa. | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? I'm surprised at the number of flat out "no's" to your question. When I first got into the sport I was struggling to maintain good form and needed some help. Well, I needed alot of help. Roger, a local legend in our area, was in the pool doing his sets and was watching me at the same time. He asked "would you mind if I gave you a couple of tips?" Roger has helped me become a FOP swimmer over the last 3 years and I would have been embarrassed to ask for help. Now I'm the guy that asks that same questoin and I get at least a 90% positive response. The ones that don't want help are not douchey about it either. Interesting thread though. |
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2014-04-14 4:03 PM in reply to: clemson05 |
265 Denver, Colorado | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? I got stopped a few times earlier this year when I was learning to swim. I really enjoyed the advice that was given and I definetly didn't ask for it. In the pool you can see the people that are there doing their own thing whether their stroke is beautiful or horrific they don't care. Then there's the guy swimming 25 or 50s spending a lot of time watching others , I suppose that was me and why I got stopped and offered advice. A few lessons and tips from strangers and I'm up to swimmimg 2:00/100M - I'd offer advice (if I had more to give |
2014-04-14 4:40 PM in reply to: Brian W |
Expert 2373 Floriduh | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? I learned a long time ago that if someone wants your advice they will ask for it. If they do I'm happy to provide pointers and have done so many times. But if they don't, ain't no skin off my teeth (as long as they stay on their side of the lane). |
2014-04-14 4:43 PM in reply to: Brian W |
Expert 1159 Charlotte, NC | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? Once, during a race. Won't ever do it again. |
2014-04-14 6:22 PM in reply to: clemson05 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: do you ever give unsolicited advice? I don't think I've ever given unsolicited advice in that situation. IMO, unsolicited advice is more likely not to be received well compared to if you just strike up a conversation about how things are going and be friendly. Sometimes that leads to them asking for tips. Sometimes it doesn't. Either way, I'm not pushing the matter. I've had more people approach me and ask for advice after seeing what my swimming looks like. At that point I give them some suggestions, and offer them my card. This happened to me a few months ago with one guy in particular, and we became facebook friends. Three weeks ago he came on board with me as a coached athlete.
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