changes coming to ITU AG worlds (Page 4)

I was thinking more of situations coming up from laps & multiple waves crossing each other. What Shane described still has situations, but less of them. Can't get rid of everything, and in DL it is a part of it, but no reason to just throw hands up in the air. The Jr latching onto the U23 is someone making their own break as opposed to getting lucky with a fast pack lapping around to latch onto. The situations are more contained to breaks within your own starting wave.

yes

go race draft legal, then come back with your opinion

Though a long way from pros.......that's why the Jr./youth elite series is so cool.  No "finisher medals", no whining.  Keep up or go home.  Lot's of kids get lapped out their first race or two, especially at the Jr. level where the swim and bike is longer.....they learn, they work harder, and they get better.

No it doesn't.  I've watched kids who are state cross country champions with sub 15:00 5K times wipe themselves out if their swim didn't go well and they tried a bridge they shouldn't have, or the bike pack they were in decided to really hammer.  DL triathlon changes every metric, and each race as it sets up can change those metrics even more.  I'll stop short of saying you don't know what you are talking about because you've obviously been around triathlon......just give this racing a chance....you might be surprised how competitive you can be in any given race within your AG.

Originally posted by Fred D

Originally posted by Left Brain No "finisher medals", no whining. 

excellent as those finisher medals are really destroying our sport aren't they? perfect for you as I know how much you hate the whining in triathlon. Question? Do you understand the *possible* irony in complaining about whining triathletes?

Fred....I said no medals,no whining.  I was talking about kids.  Try to keep up. 

You might want to think about cutting back on the Gu's. LOL

Fred....keep at it, this ain't near as much fun without you.

You know Fred....in my career I never did understand what guys got out of smacking someone who was handcuffed......but I gotta admit, you're close to making me see the fun in it. LOL   

Hey, you got a zoot code? 

That's interesting.

But for the purspose of finsh place, qualifications, etc, everyone would be in the same race?  Because no matter, what, it appears that 2016 worlds will be DL.....so it only makes sense that our qualifiying races are DL, or we don't participate, right?

I agree with your cycling comments and posted the same.  Lot's of people think they can draft, very few have ever been in a race drafting situation.....not the same animal.  If the folks who can truly draft (experienced Jr. Elite racers and cyclists) get together on the course, they will be a handful and will eat up large chunks of the field.

Yep, I've done enough crits and team group riding that I'm comfortable in a pack, drafting and cornering at crazy speeds that most (not all, but most) triathletes are NOT comfortable doing.  I've been watching this conversation as I'm very interested.  Now, it would be difficult for me to qualify for World's again, but who knows.  I would absolutely benefit from it if it happened.  I'm still trying to wrap my head around how they would logistically do it.

Great conversations here and on ST.  Keep em coming.

Except that....if things continue at the current pace, 5-10 years from now you will have thousands,many thousands, of people who only grew up with DL at the sprint level.  There is a future in DL, believe it.  What I think is that you will never lose the non-drafting sprints....or at least there will always be enough of them to bring in beginnners who are older and have never done a triathlon. 

As for your other points about race waves....what about qualifiers for Nationals.....and does Nationals need to be all DL at the sprint level since that's what World's will be.

LB Luther King Jr.

I HAVE A DREAM, THAT ONE DAY ALL TRIATHLETES WILL BE ABLE TO DRAFT ALL OTHER TRIATHLETES. THAT WE CAN BE DRAFT LEGAL TOGETHER.

I do have that dream.  I would like to see triathlon where USA swimming is in 10 or 15 years.  I'd like to see 3 or 4 youth clubs in every major city, and races every weekend during the season leading to sectionals, then regionals, then Jr. nationals.  I think with it becomoing an emerging sport in the NCAA a stage has been set.  As I have said before, almost nobody has any idea how much USAT puts toward youth/Jr. triathlon...or the triahning facilities that are being constructed to advance Jr. triathletes to the world level......but I see it firsthand and it's head and shoulders above what most people think USAT is doing with their membership dues.

Come to Westchester, Ohio next weekend and see the future of triathlon.

Does that mean you aren't going to be in Milwaukee the following weekend, or will you be doing that too?

We'll be in Milwaukee as well.  He's got Jr. Elite Nationals, AG Nationals, and AG worlds in a 5 week period, plus XC season starts on 8/4......lots of sleeping for him. I think he could make worlds in sleeping too..