chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no
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2014-10-30 7:55 PM |
Master 2855 Kailua, Hawaii | Subject: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no recent articles have been surfacing about drinking milk being potentially sort of a health risk. wondering what the truth is in this, if it is the metabolism of lactose > d-galactose, shouldn't lactose free milk solve that problem ? http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-sn-milk-health-risks-20141029... |
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2014-10-30 8:16 PM in reply to: metafizx |
Master 1970 Somewhere on the Tennessee River | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no Chocolate milk for recovery, yes. Chocolate milk anytime, yes. I guess I am one of the few who is older yet shows no sign of being lactose intolerant. |
2014-10-30 8:44 PM in reply to: metafizx |
Member 1004 | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no I read the article. It says that there may be increased risk with people who consume large quantities of milk, not normal amounts. |
2014-10-30 9:02 PM in reply to: metafizx |
Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no The interesting thing I found was that the study draws the line at those who drink 3 glasses of milk daily. Here's the breakdown of nutrition for 3 cups (8 ounces...what I assume is a "glass") of fat free, 2% and whole milk. Daily value based on a 2000 calorie diet. Skim - 258 calories, 0 fat, 0 saturated fat So think of it that way as far as the study pointing out those that drink a lot of milk being more at risk to cardiovascular disease. If you drink that much milk everyday, and intake that many calories and fat...are you compensating the rest of your diet to make sure you're still balanced? And if not (the rest of your diet being equal)...should you be surprised that if you take in an extra 100-150 grams of fat in per week than the guy who drinks water that you are the one that ends up with heart disease? Everything in moderation...3 cups of milk per day is a lot unless you're adjusting the rest of your diet. |
2014-10-30 10:45 PM in reply to: metafizx |
Member 1487 Scottsdale, AZ | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no Originally posted by metafizx recent articles have been surfacing about drinking milk being potentially sort of a health risk. wondering what the truth is in this, if it is the metabolism of lactose > d-galactose, shouldn't lactose free milk solve that problem ? http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-sn-milk-health-risks-20141029... Big fat NO for me...major dairy issues here - even the lactose stuff bothers my stomach. |
2014-10-31 3:44 AM in reply to: metafizx |
Master 8247 Eugene, Oregon | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no It would solve a problem for those of us who are lactose intolerant/ Can't think of a worse recovery beverage in my case! |
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2014-10-31 5:51 AM in reply to: #5064214 |
Member 1083 | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no No on chocolate milk for recovery. Look at a label of chocolate ice cream and one for chocolate milk. They are almost the same. Any time any "food" is pushing this hard that it's healthy I question it. As for whether bovine milk is healthy in general that's a more complicated question. For children is can be a good dense calorie source. For most adults we probably don't need it but cheese is mighty delicious :-) |
2014-10-31 6:10 AM in reply to: miamiamy |
New user 560 Key West | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no Protein, fat and carbs are great for recovery from a tough race or workout. I don't usually drink cow's milk, instead drink Almond Milk and sometimes Soy Milk, but I have to admit that after a marathon, a small carton of chocolate milk, really hits the spot. I bring chocolate soy milk with me if I travel for a Tri or Marathon and as soon as I get back to my room, that is what I crave and drink. Other than that though, I don't drink it. |
2014-10-31 7:53 AM in reply to: topolina |
Expert 2098 Ontario Canada | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no Hey I like my Chock on the rocks, so I am definitely a YES |
2014-10-31 7:59 AM in reply to: metafizx |
Member 587 | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no I do drink chocolate milk & enjoy it very much. For me there is not problem with diary so I drink milk, eat cheese & love yogurt. As for the link between fat & cardiovascular disease - do your own research & make your own determination. Don't simply drink the Kool-Aid. |
2014-10-31 8:06 AM in reply to: metafizx |
Veteran 434 Apex, NC | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no I have avoided the chocolate milk recovery fad mainly because of the calories ( I know I need them but I think we tend to overdo it). However, they had an ice barrel with chocolate milk bottles after the Raleigh 70.3 last summer. I went back 7 times. I thought they were going to cut me off. Since then, if I have a long tough workout there is an ice cold bottle of chocolate milk in the cooler in the car. But I still stay away from it for anything shorter than 2-3 hours. I'm also warming up to the mid-ride can of Coke thing. |
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2014-10-31 9:52 AM in reply to: metafizx |
Member 1748 Exton, PA | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no Observational study with thousands of variables. Some points are interesting but nothing earth shattering here. As Jason said some one drinking excessive amounts of milk is most like also balancing that with the rest of their diet. so if you drink 1000 calories a day in milk are you eating 4000 calories a day? where is the data from the study, were all those people with broken hip 10%, 20%, 30% heavier than the others? What about exercise? What they were saying about other products like yogurt and cheese being fermented and not showing the same bio-markers was interesting. Interesting that historically many humans did not drink milk the way we do today. It was fermented first(changing the lactose) and blood was added, you can still go to some areas today and see people drinking pink milk. As for a recovery drink it is well balanced nutrients that are needed, so yes it makes sense. |
2014-10-31 10:28 AM in reply to: smoom |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no Originally posted by smoom I'm also warming up to the mid-ride can of Coke thing. Nectar of the gods when things start to go wrong in a longer race. |
2014-10-31 10:36 AM in reply to: metafizx |
Champion 7036 Sarasota, FL | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no I enjoy low-fat chocolate milk after a long workout. Admittedly more of a guilty pleasure or 'reward' than anything else. Mark |
2014-10-31 10:43 AM in reply to: miamiamy |
Extreme Veteran 611 Casa Grande, Az. | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no With cow's milk being highly acidic, I can't imagine any nutrient it could contain that would cancel that out as being a "healthy" recovery drink. Less fat it contains, the more acidic it becomes, so even skim milk is suspect. |
2014-10-31 10:58 AM in reply to: todds |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no Originally posted by todds With cow's milk being highly acidic, I can't imagine any nutrient it could contain that would cancel that out as being a "healthy" recovery drink. Less fat it contains, the more acidic it becomes, so even skim milk is suspect. At a ph of 6.5-6.7, it's only mildly acidic. To put it in perspective, aloe vera (ph 6.1), white bread (ph 5.0-6.2), and sweet potatoes (ph 5.3-5.6) are all more acidic. In any event, being acidic doesn't make something unhealthy. Pretty much all fruits and vegetables are considerably more acidic than milk. Low fat chocolate milk tastes good, is very convenient, and at between 3:1 & 4:1 carb to protein ratio, it provides close to the optimum macronutrients to support recovery. That article won't deter me from using it occasionally for recovery. It would take an accumulation of additional studies to develop consensus to change my mind.
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2014-10-31 12:10 PM in reply to: TriMyBest |
538 Brooklyn, New York | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no Originally posted by TriMyBest Originally posted by todds With cow's milk being highly acidic, I can't imagine any nutrient it could contain that would cancel that out as being a "healthy" recovery drink. Less fat it contains, the more acidic it becomes, so even skim milk is suspect. At a ph of 6.5-6.7, it's only mildly acidic. To put it in perspective, aloe vera (ph 6.1), white bread (ph 5.0-6.2), and sweet potatoes (ph 5.3-5.6) are all more acidic. In any event, being acidic doesn't make something unhealthy. Pretty much all fruits and vegetables are considerably more acidic than milk. Low fat chocolate milk tastes good, is very convenient, and at between 3:1 & 4:1 carb to protein ratio, it provides close to the optimum macronutrients to support recovery. That article won't deter me from using it occasionally for recovery. It would take an accumulation of additional studies to develop consensus to change my mind.
Though true, I find the other carbohydrates less troublesome to myself and many I have advised as a trainer over the years (primarily dextrose, waxy maize starch/ malto / heck, sucrose and fructose when necessary). I haven't had a glass of milk in over a decade and never regretted it. Considerably leaner as a result, less bloated and less inflamed. (I am not diagnosed as lactose intolerant either). You can get necessary recovery amino acids in other forms without the milk issues. Some people don't have any issue with milk use, but it'd be a curious experiment to see if you feel better or even look better without it. PS....I did always suspect decreased immune response to it, from experience |
2014-10-31 12:29 PM in reply to: TJHammer |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no Originally posted by TJHammer Originally posted by TriMyBest Though true, I find the other carbohydrates less troublesome to myself and many I have advised as a trainer over the years (primarily dextrose, waxy maize starch/ malto / heck, sucrose and fructose when necessary). I haven't had a glass of milk in over a decade and never regretted it. Considerably leaner as a result, less bloated and less inflamed. (I am not diagnosed as lactose intolerant either). You can get necessary recovery amino acids in other forms without the milk issues. Some people don't have any issue with milk use, but it'd be a curious experiment to see if you feel better or even look better without it. PS....I did always suspect decreased immune response to it, from experience Originally posted by todds With cow's milk being highly acidic, I can't imagine any nutrient it could contain that would cancel that out as being a "healthy" recovery drink. Less fat it contains, the more acidic it becomes, so even skim milk is suspect. At a ph of 6.5-6.7, it's only mildly acidic. To put it in perspective, aloe vera (ph 6.1), white bread (ph 5.0-6.2), and sweet potatoes (ph 5.3-5.6) are all more acidic. In any event, being acidic doesn't make something unhealthy. Pretty much all fruits and vegetables are considerably more acidic than milk. Low fat chocolate milk tastes good, is very convenient, and at between 3:1 & 4:1 carb to protein ratio, it provides close to the optimum macronutrients to support recovery. That article won't deter me from using it occasionally for recovery. It would take an accumulation of additional studies to develop consensus to change my mind.
I didn't say it was for everyone. You're citing specific issues for specific individuals' sensitivities. Many people can be lactose sensitive without being lactose intolerant. I don't make blanket statements about something being good for everyone. Instead, I encourage individuals to learn what their sensitivities are, and adjust their diet accordingly. Consumption of milk products in the ways we're discussing here are the perfect example of something that can work well for one person, but cause issues for another.
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2014-10-31 1:53 PM in reply to: metafizx |
Master 2855 Kailua, Hawaii | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no I started drinking the "lactose free" chocolate milk lately, seems to make sense, although more processed.. |
2014-10-31 2:02 PM in reply to: TriMyBest |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no Originally posted by TriMyBest Originally posted by todds With cow's milk being highly acidic, I can't imagine any nutrient it could contain that would cancel that out as being a "healthy" recovery drink. Less fat it contains, the more acidic it becomes, so even skim milk is suspect. At a ph of 6.5-6.7, it's only mildly acidic. To put it in perspective, aloe vera (ph 6.1), white bread (ph 5.0-6.2), and sweet potatoes (ph 5.3-5.6) are all more acidic. In any event, being acidic doesn't make something unhealthy. Pretty much all fruits and vegetables are considerably more acidic than milk. Low fat chocolate milk tastes good, is very convenient, and at between 3:1 & 4:1 carb to protein ratio, it provides close to the optimum macronutrients to support recovery. That article won't deter me from using it occasionally for recovery. It would take an accumulation of additional studies to develop consensus to change my mind.
as far as acidity goes, you need to look at the process that you body uses to break down proteins, not just the acidity of the milk in its undigested state. |
2014-10-31 3:13 PM in reply to: dmiller5 |
Extreme Veteran 959 Greenwood, South Carolina | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no I don't drink it after every work out but there are some long work outs that it just hits the spot. This summer I did a long brick work out and was feeling drained and exhausted. Stopped and had a cholcolate milk and picked right back up. I think they can do a study and find that almost everything is bad for you. |
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2014-11-01 12:28 PM in reply to: miamiamy |
Member 296 , Florida | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no Originally posted by miamiamy Look at a label of chocolate ice cream and one for chocolate milk. They are almost the same. Funny story about that. My son and I are type 1 diabetic. On a road trip we stopped at McDonalds and got hot chocolate. We asked the manager if he could tell us how many carbs were in the hot chocolate so we could give insulin accordingly. He said just a minute -- he had to find the carbs for the chocolate milkshake. The McDonald hot chocolate is simply a heated chocolate milkshake. Wow. But to answer the chocolate milk question. For me, no, it's a calorie issue, chocolate milk has way too many for me. If I need that many calories, I'd rather just eat a meal with protein and carbs, I don't like to drink them. |
2014-11-01 9:52 PM in reply to: #5064259 |
New user 140 Sanford, Florida | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no Countries where people drink the most milk, the people suffer the most from osteoporosis. |
2014-11-02 9:42 AM in reply to: Martine1975 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no Originally posted by Martine1975 Countries where people drink the most milk, the people suffer the most from osteoporosis. Can you provide references to back up this statement?
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2014-11-02 10:47 AM in reply to: TriMyBest |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: chocolate milk for recovery ? yes or no Originally posted by TriMyBest Originally posted by Martine1975 Countries where people drink the most milk, the people suffer the most from osteoporosis. Can you provide references to back up this statement?
I believe it was an addendum to this study: http://www.venganza.org/images/spreadword/pchart1.jpg Shane |
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