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 2015-07-29 3:38 PM |
 1502   Katy, Texas |  Subject: HR Zones from SprintI've never done a HR zone test but I recently did a sprint with an HR monitor, can that data be used? I've always defaulted to the zones my 920 calculates but would like to know how accurate they are. Here's everything my Garmin gave me. Can I use this or do I need to do a test of some sort? Edit: A couple of notes that may or may not help: -The highest I've ever seen my HR was 174 to date. It was running a 0.5 run as part of a triple brick -There were a lot of tight circles in the run that the garmin short-cut around (it was in a park) so I have a tendency to believe the race was closer to 3.1 than what I had at 3.0 after looking at the map (it showed me cutting through the grass a number of times when it connected the GPS dots). -There was a bridge in the bike portion that was 120' climb...so that was pretty much like Mt. Everest to me (those who know me know I'm dead serious) so that HR is as high as I've seen it on the bike. Edited by 3mar 2015-07-29 3:49 PM (bike.JPG) (run.JPG) Attachments ---------------- bike.JPG (30KB - 2 downloads) run.JPG (44KB - 2 downloads) |
| 2015-07-29 4:27 PM in reply to: 3mar |
Master 10208  Northern IL | Subject: RE: HR Zones from Sprint Any chance of getting into a time trial or a 5k-8k running race if you don't want to test? Triathlons have a number of parts which complicate things. You might get something workable, but that doesn't seem like the precision you would want. |
| 2015-07-29 4:48 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
| 1502 Katy, Texas | Subject: RE: HR Zones from Sprint Originally posted by brigby1 Any chance of getting into a time trial or a 5k-8k running race if you don't want to test? Triathlons have a number of parts which complicate things. You might get something workable, but that doesn't seem like the precision you would want. I'm doing a 5k in a couple of weeks actually. Should I just wait for that? I did a 40k time trial about a month ago. Here's the data on that. My heart rate wasn't nearly as high. I don't know what that means. Does it mean I wasn't pushing hard enough on the TT? I thought I was working pretty darn hard. (time trial.JPG) Attachments ---------------- time trial.JPG (25KB - 2 downloads) |
| 2015-07-29 5:18 PM in reply to: 3mar |
Pro 6582 Melbourne FL Gold member | Subject: RE: HR Zones from Sprint That means your bike and run are not the same, as expected as the run is supporting more of your body weight that the bike Seriously, consider doing the field LT test and related training zones. I know you have seen me post about this in the recent past. Read this, BT has the HR zone calc for this method too (LT). My run LT average is 8 to 10 BPM higher than my bike LT test average. I know someone that had a differential that was 22 BPM! I learned to refrain from using HR during a sprint, in fact I don't even bother anymore during a race. Even during a HIM early on when I was first training by LT HR zones I found coming off the bike my run HR was evaluated 10 bpm based on my RPE. I stuck with my RPE and had a decent HIM, considering the unexpected heat that weekend for the Miami Man. After that I used it during a Sprint 2-3 years afterward and forgot about the drift I seem to experience. Sure enough I was running by HR but 30 sec slower than I normally should be, after 1.5 mile it came to me to ignore it and went by RPE which was much faster. I must say that I am one of those that is slow to build for HR on the run, but off the bike when my HR is already elevated it likes to jack up even higher at or above my LT test average but RPE wise I am fine. If you're doing a 5k, IIRC its 95% of the HR average for LT as you always push the 5k harder than you would during an LT test without the push of competition. BTW my family went to the lower Keys this past weekend, is the bridge at MM 107/106 or so the one you have to train for hills? Not bad but I can definitely see your dilemma! |
| 2015-07-29 5:20 PM in reply to: Donto |
Pro 6582 Melbourne FL Gold member | Subject: RE: HR Zones from Sprint I must add, I have no issue using HR on the bike after swimming, only after the bike on the run is my HR skewed. |
| 2015-07-29 5:39 PM in reply to: Donto |
| 1502 Katy, Texas | Subject: RE: HR Zones from Sprint Originally posted by Donto That means your bike and run are not the same, as expected as the run is supporting more of your body weight that the bike Seriously, consider doing the field LT test and related training zones. I know you have seen me post about this in the recent past. Read this, BT has the HR zone calc for this method too (LT). My run LT average is 8 to 10 BPM higher than my bike LT test average. I know someone that had a differential that was 22 BPM! I learned to refrain from using HR during a sprint, in fact I don't even bother anymore during a race. Even during a HIM early on when I was first training by LT HR zones I found coming off the bike my run HR was evaluated 10 bpm based on my RPE. I stuck with my RPE and had a decent HIM, considering the unexpected heat that weekend for the Miami Man. After that I used it during a Sprint 2-3 years afterward and forgot about the drift I seem to experience. Sure enough I was running by HR but 30 sec slower than I normally should be, after 1.5 mile it came to me to ignore it and went by RPE which was much faster. I must say that I am one of those that is slow to build for HR on the run, but off the bike when my HR is already elevated it likes to jack up even higher at or above my LT test average but RPE wise I am fine. If you're doing a 5k, IIRC its 95% of the HR average for LT as you always push the 5k harder than you would during an LT test without the push of competition. BTW my family went to the lower Keys this past weekend, is the bridge at MM 107/106 or so the one you have to train for hills? Not bad but I can definitely see your dilemma! Thanks for the information. I'll hold off until the 5k and see where I am. I haven't done a test simply because it doesn't matter enough to me at this point to use a training day for the test. I feel like I can use the time better which is limited right now (I'd like to be at around 10hr/wk but am struggling to get to 8 which means the time I do spend out there I want to be high quality). If I could have got it "for free" from existing data, then cool, but it doesn't sound like it. Like you I rely on feel for the most part, except in the Ironman where I heavily used the HR to maintain pace on the bike which I had a tendency to overdo on long rides. That link is a good read, I hadn't actually read it before. I have to agree with the opening line however; 220-36 would have my max HR at 184...my chest would explode at 184. I've never been over 174 and that was totally red-lining. And yes; that's the bridge. I did it this morning. If I ride there, go over it 4 times back and forth then come back it makes for 600 feet of elevation gain for a 33 mile ride. That's about the best I can do for hills. The killer is that you have to do a hairpin turn at the bottom of every descent so you lose all momentum ever time....but hey, it makes for a better workout. |
| 2015-07-29 6:02 PM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 6582 Melbourne FL Gold member | Subject: RE: HR Zones from Sprint Originally posted by 3mar Originally posted by Donto Thanks for the information. I'll hold off until the 5k and see where I am. I haven't done a test simply because it doesn't matter enough to me at this point to use a training day for the test. I feel like I can use the time better which is limited right now (I'd like to be at around 10hr/wk but am struggling to get to 8 which means the time I do spend out there I want to be high quality). If I could have got it "for free" from existing data, then cool, but it doesn't sound like it. Like you I rely on feel for the most part, except in the Ironman where I heavily used the HR to maintain pace on the bike which I had a tendency to overdo on long rides. That link is a good read, I hadn't actually read it before. I have to agree with the opening line however; 220-36 would have my max HR at 184...my chest would explode at 184. I've never been over 174 and that was totally red-lining. And yes; that's the bridge. I did it this morning. If I ride there, go over it 4 times back and forth then come back it makes for 600 feet of elevation gain for a 33 mile ride. That's about the best I can do for hills. The killer is that you have to do a hairpin turn at the bottom of every descent so you lose all momentum ever time....but hey, it makes for a better workout. That means your bike and run are not the same, as expected as the run is supporting more of your body weight that the bike Seriously, consider doing the field LT test and related training zones. I know you have seen me post about this in the recent past. Read this, BT has the HR zone calc for this method too (LT). My run LT average is 8 to 10 BPM higher than my bike LT test average. I know someone that had a differential that was 22 BPM! I learned to refrain from using HR during a sprint, in fact I don't even bother anymore during a race. Even during a HIM early on when I was first training by LT HR zones I found coming off the bike my run HR was evaluated 10 bpm based on my RPE. I stuck with my RPE and had a decent HIM, considering the unexpected heat that weekend for the Miami Man. After that I used it during a Sprint 2-3 years afterward and forgot about the drift I seem to experience. Sure enough I was running by HR but 30 sec slower than I normally should be, after 1.5 mile it came to me to ignore it and went by RPE which was much faster. I must say that I am one of those that is slow to build for HR on the run, but off the bike when my HR is already elevated it likes to jack up even higher at or above my LT test average but RPE wise I am fine. If you're doing a 5k, IIRC its 95% of the HR average for LT as you always push the 5k harder than you would during an LT test without the push of competition. BTW my family went to the lower Keys this past weekend, is the bridge at MM 107/106 or so the one you have to train for hills? Not bad but I can definitely see your dilemma! I saw there was a Key Largo to Key West 100 miler last weekend for the Ernest Hemingway weekend, some nuts did the 5k run in Key west afterward! My wife was like "oh jeez is that your next year thing!" Heck we got a free offshore snorkeling, jet ski, parasailing, etc., trip due to the weather so why not! The simple thing is everyone is different, where are you one the bell curve for HR? Only testing will tell if you are going to use it. Longer the distance the more your HR can normalize to the event as long as you understand RPE vs HR.
Edited by Donto 2015-07-29 6:05 PM |
| 2015-07-29 6:07 PM in reply to: Donto |
| 1502 Katy, Texas | Subject: RE: HR Zones from Sprint Originally posted by Donto Originally posted by 3mar Originally posted by Donto Thanks for the information. I'll hold off until the 5k and see where I am. I haven't done a test simply because it doesn't matter enough to me at this point to use a training day for the test. I feel like I can use the time better which is limited right now (I'd like to be at around 10hr/wk but am struggling to get to 8 which means the time I do spend out there I want to be high quality). If I could have got it "for free" from existing data, then cool, but it doesn't sound like it. Like you I rely on feel for the most part, except in the Ironman where I heavily used the HR to maintain pace on the bike which I had a tendency to overdo on long rides. That link is a good read, I hadn't actually read it before. I have to agree with the opening line however; 220-36 would have my max HR at 184...my chest would explode at 184. I've never been over 174 and that was totally red-lining. And yes; that's the bridge. I did it this morning. If I ride there, go over it 4 times back and forth then come back it makes for 600 feet of elevation gain for a 33 mile ride. That's about the best I can do for hills. The killer is that you have to do a hairpin turn at the bottom of every descent so you lose all momentum ever time....but hey, it makes for a better workout. That means your bike and run are not the same, as expected as the run is supporting more of your body weight that the bike Seriously, consider doing the field LT test and related training zones. I know you have seen me post about this in the recent past. Read this, BT has the HR zone calc for this method too (LT). My run LT average is 8 to 10 BPM higher than my bike LT test average. I know someone that had a differential that was 22 BPM! I learned to refrain from using HR during a sprint, in fact I don't even bother anymore during a race. Even during a HIM early on when I was first training by LT HR zones I found coming off the bike my run HR was evaluated 10 bpm based on my RPE. I stuck with my RPE and had a decent HIM, considering the unexpected heat that weekend for the Miami Man. After that I used it during a Sprint 2-3 years afterward and forgot about the drift I seem to experience. Sure enough I was running by HR but 30 sec slower than I normally should be, after 1.5 mile it came to me to ignore it and went by RPE which was much faster. I must say that I am one of those that is slow to build for HR on the run, but off the bike when my HR is already elevated it likes to jack up even higher at or above my LT test average but RPE wise I am fine. If you're doing a 5k, IIRC its 95% of the HR average for LT as you always push the 5k harder than you would during an LT test without the push of competition. BTW my family went to the lower Keys this past weekend, is the bridge at MM 107/106 or so the one you have to train for hills? Not bad but I can definitely see your dilemma! I saw there was a Key Largo to Key West 100 miler last weekend for the Ernest Hemingway weekend, some nuts did the 5k run in Key west afterward! My wife was like "oh jeez is that your next year thing!" Heck we got a free offshore snorkeling, jet ski, parasailing, etc., trip due to the weather so why not! The simple thing is everyone is different, where are you one the bell curve for HR? Only testing will tell if you are going to use it. Longer the distance the more your HR can normalize to the event as long as you understand RPE vs HR.
That is EXACTLY what my wife would say! |
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