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Haven't asked a swimming Q in a while, so here goes
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 2016-07-18 12:46 PM |
Expert  2852     Pfafftown, NC |  Subject: Haven't asked a swimming Q in a while, so here goesI had rotator cuff surgery (former college baseball player) on my non-throwing shoulder (oddly enough), in 1999. I'm 51, now. Now, the one that wasn't operated on is the weaker of the two. I don't swim with paddles very often, because they tend to aggravate the weaker shoulder. I did put on paddles to swim, Saturday morning, and wearing them got me thinking about hand entry and my pull. Wearing the paddles, it felt like I may be using energy where it's not best expended. If I start my catch, too quickly (too shallow), am I just pushing down on the water - instead of pushing back? Seems like wasted energy....or, doing something that's not necessarily propelling me forward. I hope I explained that OK. If I'm onto something, is there a drill to promote not doing this? Thanks. |
| 2016-07-19 5:50 AM in reply to: nc452010 |
| 319 Sarasota, Florida | Subject: RE: Haven't asked a swimming Q in a while, so here goes curious as well. Never used paddles but do some fist drills to help with pull. Maybe skatch and sculling? |
| 2016-07-19 6:05 AM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Haven't asked a swimming Q in a while, so here goes You are not pushing back....you are pulling! Think of laying on monkey bars and pulling yourself across them rung by rung. Your hand doesn't move. It's the same with swimming. Anchor your hand and pull yourself through the water. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of swimming that people think they are pushing, or moving, water. Edited by Left Brain 2016-07-19 6:06 AM |
| 2016-07-19 6:14 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
Expert 4647 Middle River, Maryland Silver member | Subject: RE: Haven't asked a swimming Q in a while, so here goes Originally posted by Left BrainYou are not pushing back....you are pulling! Think of laying on monkey bars and pulling yourself across them rung by rung. Your hand doesn't move. It's the same with swimming. Anchor your hand and pull yourself through the water. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of swimming that people think they are pushing, or moving, water. That's a good visual. In fact, the idea is to NOT move the water, right? I mean, that's impossible since water is a liquid medium, but the more water you push, the less you move forward.As for paddles, I think they do a good job of amplifying stroke flaws, especially in the front quadrants. You will really notice if you're pushing down (which is one of the issues the "high elbow" is trying to solve.And as an AOS like me, you're going to magnify those pesky legs dropping. Push down, head comes up, balance goes awry, legs drop, drag increases. |
| 2016-07-19 9:37 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
Expert 2852 Pfafftown, NC | Subject: RE: Haven't asked a swimming Q in a while, so here goes Semantics. I guess I could have asked about pulling (propelling myself forwards) in lieu of pulling down (propelling myself upwards). I worked on it this morning with the PB for a while. I think it's just a matter of reaching down a little more than I have been to start my catch. I think I've been too shallow, previously. I'm sure one could go to extremes, either way. |
| 2016-07-19 9:58 AM in reply to: nc452010 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Haven't asked a swimming Q in a while, so here goes Originally posted by nc452010 Semantics. I guess I could have asked about pulling (propelling myself forwards) in lieu of pulling down (propelling myself upwards). I worked on it this morning with the PB for a while. I think it's just a matter of reaching down a little more than I have been to start my catch. I think I've been too shallow, previously. I'm sure one could go to extremes, either way. You're NOT propelling yourself. LOL It's not semantics.....you have a basic misunderstanding of swimming principles. Join nearly all the rest of the adult onset swimmers. |
| 2016-07-19 10:18 AM in reply to: nc452010 |
1502 Katy, Texas | Subject: RE: Haven't asked a swimming Q in a while, so here goes I think I get what you are saying and I have noticed that as well. I tend to flop my hand on to the water, so the first 5-10 degrees from horizontal when I'm engaging my catch are probably wasted. I can get away with that without paddles, but with paddles (as jmhpsu93 noted) flaws are exaggerated. When I swim with paddles, if I concentrate on sliding my hand into the water at a slight angle, instead of just letting it flop down on the surface, I go faster with less effort. |
| 2016-07-19 10:21 AM in reply to: nc452010 |
Master 3888 Overland Park, KS | Subject: RE: Haven't asked a swimming Q in a while, so here goes Originally posted by nc452010 Semantics. I guess I could have asked about pulling (propelling myself forwards) in lieu of pulling down (propelling myself upwards). I worked on it this morning with the PB for a while. I think it's just a matter of reaching down a little more than I have been to start my catch. I think I've been too shallow, previously. I'm sure one could go to extremes, either way. Maybe this can help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr570KZvyBQ&list=PLC4DD1FE0E3ABC7F8 The tubing drill is a good one and can be done anytime whether or not you're at the pool. You can also swim some 100's, get out and do a couple tubing drills t hen get back in. Also, if you wear paddles, try not to use th wrist strap, if they're not staying on your hands that's a clear indication of problems with the stroke. I think somewhere in one of Shelia's videos she shows underwater footage of some good swimmers and their pull underwater. |
| 2016-07-19 10:44 AM in reply to: reecealan |
Expert 2852 Pfafftown, NC | Subject: RE: Haven't asked a swimming Q in a while, so here goes |
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