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2006-09-13 12:12 PM

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all 3 of my kids are now on antibiotics: eldest has blood/puss pouring from her ear, middle child the same thanks to a horrible head cold (and ear tubes draining for both of them). baby has strep again (second time in 3 weeks). Hopefully with all 3 on antibiotics we'll have a few weeks of health!

anyone else out there suffering with the back to school KRUD!?

Cathleen


2006-09-13 12:16 PM
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Yikes!

Sniffles and coughs but not much worse.  I am steering clear of Houston for awhile.  Good luck!

2006-09-13 12:21 PM
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The other day at the gym the aerobics instructor was in the locker room and said "I just came from the doctor and I have strep plus some other infection." And she continued to teach the class, all the while touching the stereo system, headphones, weights, equipment, etc. She even said she was not on her antibiotics yet b/c the pharmacy didn't have it ready.

Why do people continue to work and expose others to their illnesses? I have been lysoling and anti-bacterializing like crazy. My b/f and his rommate are both sick, and three people I work closely with are sick as well.

STAY HOME PEOPLE!
2006-09-13 12:27 PM
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both kids had a cold starting the 2nd week of school.  It ALWAYS happens!
2006-09-13 1:12 PM
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I've gone thru 2 cans of lysol in 3 weeks, have the kids washing hands ALL the time plus carrying hand sanitzer with me for wal-mart etc... and the baby is still getting strep! I feel most for her - the other 2 are older and the tubes are working so they aren't in much pain and motrin handles what pain they do have. But poor Isabel is just miserable. She can't eat or drink she just cries and lays her head on my shoulder.

I'm all for those who are ill to stay home and keep their germs away from me!!! Makes me cringe each time the kids touch things in public - and especially at Wal-Mart, that place must just be crawling with germs!



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2006-09-13 1:50 PM
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I'm telling ya - Simple Green!

Just not starter fluid.

A Mexican lady who works for me makes a compress of garlic and sticks it in their ear.



2006-09-13 4:51 PM
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every year like clockwork, one or all five of us in the house get something.  so far, only one is down..
2006-09-13 7:21 PM
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(gah, double.)



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2006-09-13 7:25 PM
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The garlic thing rocks, it really helps with ear infections *as long as the ear does not have drainage!**

Sautee up 2-3 chopped cloves in a cup or two of olive oil... make sure it gets good and garlicy, but don't boil.  Set aside to cool, strain out all solids (cheesecloth).  When ready to use, warm it up just a bit and soak cotton balls in the stuff.  Put the cotton balls *loosely* in the ears.  Your kids' heads will smell like garlic and salad dressing, but garlic is a natural anti-EVERYTHING and the slight warmth will also help ease the pain and encourage the infection to break up. 

Also, if you are nursing a little one with an ear infection, squirt some breastmilk in there.   I know, it sounds bizarre, but it works.  Same with eye and tear duct infections, and pink eye.

Finally the FDA is starting to encourage doctors NOT to use antibiotics for every ear infection!  (edited: just happy about that because lots of minor infections dont' need antibiotics, and good doctors should know the diff instead of doing blanket-coverage scrips, you know?)

My other favorite for little and big kids alike is AIRBORNE.  Fizzy-drink tabs you can get at CVS or Target or lots of other drugstores - tons of vitamin C and other good stuff that helps you both head off a cold before you get it (ie., the start of the school year) or minimize it after it's already started to get ya.  They make Airborne Jr. now too, grape and with vitamin C dosage reasonable for the kiddos.  Works like a champ!

(Mine is in daycare, we need all the help we can get...)

Here's to few illnesses this year and quick recoveries if you do catch a bug!!!

~Christine



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2006-09-13 7:37 PM
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The FDA has nothing to do with physician prescribing habits.

As you described, the problem is with physicians who give out scripts for everything.  Part of the reason for that is patient expectation.  We are certainly not taught to give out antibiotics for things that are likely viral.  I would imagine that most docs practice this way until they tire of fighting with people who simply expect a script for every little thing.  It's not going to go away unfortunately.

maxpixie - 2006-09-13 7:25 PM

Finally the FDA is starting to encourage doctors NOT to use antibiotics for every ear infection!  (edited: just happy about that because lots of minor infections dont' need antibiotics, and good doctors should know the diff instead of doing blanket-coverage scrips, you know?)

2006-09-13 7:51 PM
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my eldest 2 ALWAYS get an oral antibiotic and an ear drop antibiotic for their ear infections. When they get infections it's really bad - even with both antibiotics - last eat infection lasted for 6 weeks they drained and drained. it is awful. Pillow cases soaked each morning with blood and puss, fever and pain for 6 weeks! Noone can explain why they get them so badly - my 5 yr old has had 3 sets of tubes and my 6 yr old 2 sets. I have to believe it's genetics. I dread each time Doc. tells me they are out because I know at the first sign of a cold - ear infection is about to follow.

Don't know about the garlic oil cotton ball... seeing as they have ear tubes and what if anything that could do to their hearing. Thomas has severe speech issues - he doesn't need hearing complications. Might try with baby at next ear infection as she doesn't have tubes yet... will keep you posted.



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2006-09-14 6:04 AM
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Sorry Derek ... on re-read that does sound dumb on my part   What I meant was exactly what you said with far more clarity than I could say it!  (Yesterday was a very long, car breaking down in Brooklyn, long state regulator meeting, getting stuck in traffic on every road imaginable, almost not making to daycare on time to pick up my son, dog having loose poop all over my family room kind of day for me!!)

Anyway, I imagine what I was thinking of was this:

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/106/108366.htm# and the Pediatrics article it came from, and the CDC's recent update as well.  CDC, not FDA.  Duh, me. http://www.cdc.gov/drugresistance/community/

Cathleen, it sounds like you have something entirely different going on there, and I hope I didn't offend by implying you shouldn't give your kids antibiotics for those awful ear infections!!  It's definitely not what I meant.  And yeah, I wouldn't use the garlic oil for the ones that have tubes, that's why I said 'no drainage' - gotta protect those eardrums!

I'll take a nap before I post next time, promise 



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2006-09-14 7:01 AM
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Your post was fine.  You just meant the CDC.  

maxpixie - 2006-09-14 6:04 AM

I'll take a nap before I post next time, promise 

2006-09-14 7:17 AM
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DerekL - 2006-09-13 8:37 PM

As you described, the problem is with physicians who give out scripts for everything. Part of the reason for that is patient expectation. We are certainly not taught to give out antibiotics for things that are likely viral. I would imagine that most docs practice this way until they tire of fighting with people who simply expect a script for every little thing. It's not going to go away unfortunately.



I had a similar discussion with my sister once. She said that the big concern is that the viruses and bacteria (or whatever, I'm not awake yet) would develop immunities to the current anitbiotics and medications. Does that sound right, Derek?

Also, do you think that advertising for medications is one of the primary issues at work here?
2006-09-14 8:15 AM
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I completely agree parents all too often request/demand antibiotics when they aren't warrented. I try and wait atleast 3 days before I see the doc with the kids to see if the body can fight off whatever it is going on when they have fevers - they say fever is good for the body helps fight illnesses (with the exception of those ear infections)... as a parent I don't want my kids on meds all the time. That is 1 of the many reasons I'm trying to convince husband to move back northeast - but that's a hyjack to this thread.

I think our culture has decided that any illness can be treated with drugs so when someone has a cold they think antibiotics will fix them. same with flu season. the difference with virus and bacterial illnesses and how to treat them just isn't understood/accepted by people. We're a nation of pop a pill and feel fine tomorrow culture.



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2006-09-14 8:24 AM
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The problem is bacteria developing resistances to antibiotics.  The more antibiotics are used, the more likely a mutation will develop in bacteria that will lead to resistance.

People carry bugs on and in their bodies that cause disease under certain cirumstances.  It's those bugs that we worry about when docs give out antibiotics for complaints that are most likely viral in nature.  Now if those bugs that are hanging around develop resistance and eventually make you sick, you're more likely to have a bug that's resistant to those antibiotics.

Advertising is a whole other monster.  It certainly increases patient demand for drugs.  Our only saving grace at this point is that there don't seem to be as many advertisement for antibiotics as there are for a lot of other drugs. 

Scout7 - 2006-09-14 7:17 AM  I had a similar discussion with my sister once. She said that the big concern is that the viruses and bacteria (or whatever, I'm not awake yet) would develop immunities to the current anitbiotics and medications. Does that sound right, Derek? Also, do you think that advertising for medications is one of the primary issues at work here?



2006-09-14 10:55 PM
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I have seen HTM's oldest, when she was maybe 2, go from just fine, to holding her ear and whining a bit, to full out pillow soaking discharge in about 10 hours.   ( I am the Aunt Mary to these goobers). 

Saute the garlic in simple green?

Ok, I am obsessed.

2006-09-15 12:35 AM
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2006-09-15 3:06 PM
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LOL about Simple Green - will try a saute of olive oil, garlic with hint of simple green compress on baby next time.

Middle kid, thomas, now has full blown drainage - YUCK! he gets freaked out by most things but blood/puss from ear has him really freaking out. At school yesterday after recess he had soaked his shirt's shoulder with blood and puss.... last night at park and on walk he soaked it again. Again today at recess... he walks around with his head tilted to the side trying to keep it all inside the ear and not rolling out. I'm telling you, genetics plays a huge part in ear infections.

On top of it, Thomas's seasonal allergies are starting up again so he's throwing up at night with all the sinus drainage - he gags and throws up in his sleep. Just 1 more reason to move north and get those hard freezes - texas doesn't get those so he suffers almost year round... So does eldest but she doesn't throw-up, just sniffles for weeks and weeks. My dream to move back North!!!!!!

My poor gubbers.... it's been a tough 3+ weeks for them.


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