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2018-09-25 10:22 AM
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Breaking news.....

"Attorney Michael Avenatti said his client might now not come forward against Brett Kavanaugh, and then locked his Twitter public profile from view.

After two days of ginning up publicity with the news he has a “100 percent credible” accuser against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, adding that she has “multiple witnesses to corroborate her story” and that she is “willing to take a polygraph,” Avenatti appeared to walk back that assurance in a Tuesday morning tweet.

“Let me be clear: We will disclose the client’s name and accusations only when SHE is ready and we have adequate security measures in place. And not a moment before that,” Avenatti tweeted. “It is her choice and hers alone as to when to surface bc it is her life. We expect it within the next 36 hrs.”

A few minutes after this apparent walk back, where he appears to be blaming the woman if he does not deliver what he promised, Avenatti, the attorney for porn star Stormy Daniels made famous by CNN, locked public access to his Twitter account."


Maybe like the second accuser she is still "assessing her memory".....


2018-09-25 10:29 AM
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Avenatti is a punk, plain and simple.  Anybody who hitches their horse to that wagon deserves whatever they get.  LMAO

2018-09-25 12:06 PM
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Avenatti is like Lucy holding the football the Charlie Brown media....who never seem to learn.
2018-09-25 4:52 PM
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Reports going around that Aventinni was pranked. LOL. Man I love politics.
2018-09-26 9:23 AM
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"In another inconsistency, Ford told The Washington Post she was upset when Trump won in 2016, because Kavanaugh was mentioned as a Supreme Court pick. But Kavanaugh wasn’t added to Trump’s list of possibles until November 2017, a full year later."


Ooops, minor detail.

I am still doubtful she will show up. I think at the last possible minute she will renege. But even if she shows, I think she will be discredited. The thing is, everyone knows what she will attest to beforehand because she has to submit her testimony in writing 24 hrs before she appears. What she and her attorneys and the democrats don't know is what they don't know. They don't know what the republican have and they don't know what questions will be asked. Did she and the democrats think that the republicans, the WH and Kavanaugh's lawyers have been just sitting around watching the news for developments for the last 2 weeks?

Here is what I'd of done. I'd hire a dozen top private investigators and task them with finding anything and everything they can. Talk to Ford's old boyfriends and girlfriends, acquaintances, HS teachers, college sorority friends, old roommates....find out when she got her first kiss, find out when she lost her virginity, talk to everyone who she dated in HS and in college. Find the therapist from 2012....find out if she has recordings....ask her if she is willing to testify that her 'notes' are accurate. Read every book she has ever written to look for anything they can find. Talk to former colleagues and students of hers.

Anyway, what Ford doesn't know is what they know. If they ask her the first time she had intercourse (which they will) and she says my freshman year of college and they have someone who will testify he nailed her at her HS senior prom....then not only is the 'case' over but she committed perjury. Frankly, politics aside, if I were her attorney, I'd advise her NOT to testify. The risk/reward is just not there.


2018-09-26 9:47 AM
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Originally posted by Rogillio Talk to Ford's old boyfriends and girlfriends, acquaintances, HS teachers, college sorority friends, old roommates....find out when she got her first kiss, find out when she lost her virginity, talk to everyone who she dated in HS and in college. Find the therapist from 2012....find out if she has recordings....ask her if she is willing to testify that her 'notes' are accurate. Read every book she has ever written to look for anything they can find. Talk to former colleagues and students of hers. 

No.

You don't do that to victims, you do that to suspects.  It's just the way the system has to be. 

I want to be clear.  I don't believe this woman because nothing she has said can be corroborated. I don't believe her because her "witnesses" don't back up her statements. I don't believe her because these accusations were sat on for MONTHS by politicians who wanted to use them to their advantage, in a time that they thought would be an advantage, and she appears to be fine with that.  I don't believe her because she is asking for an FBI investigation.  Go file a Police report in the jurisdiction where you allege the crime has occurred.  That's how you get it investigated by law enforcement.

I believe women when they say they have been sexually assaulted.  I lead investigations that start with that premise.....EVERY TIME.  I know from experience I will be right almost every time if I do that. (knowing that if it is a rare case of not being true, that will always come out during the investigation )  I did that in this case as it unfolded...... I have come to not believe Ms. Ford by what I have read and seen so far. 



2018-09-26 10:35 AM
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I believe she believes herself. I think something happed to her when she was 15 and she suppressed the memory. 30 years later she discusses it with a therapist in counseling. She probably met Kavanaugh at a party at one time or another. Over the years she learns Kavanaugh becomes a judge....the WH counsel....the federal judge....she sees him on TV....he becomes very successful. At some point, either consciously or unconsciously, she places Kavanaugh's face in the suppressed memory.

When I was 14 years old, during my first week in HS I got bullied by an upperclassmen. He tried to pick a fight with me, pushed me and kicked a cigarette out of my mouth with karate type roundhouse kick. I was scared and did not fight him. Afterwards I was ashamed of myself for being scared and not standing up for myself. I never told anyone about this incident. It remember the incident in great detail. I remember exactly when and where we were and exactly what was said and what was done. What I don't remember is WHO did this to me. I have no idea what this guy looked like only that he was much bigger than I was. I would never be able to find anyone who could corroborate my story. Now suppose someone I knew back then or knew of or maybe met once at party became very successful and I'd occasionally see them on TV or read about them in the news. Is it possible that my unconscious mind might put this person face on the bully that attacked me in the 9th grade?

Point is, our memories are not perfect....and memories can and do change over time for various reasons. Maybe she saw him on TV and was thinking about her HS years and remembered the incident and that night had a dream about him attacking her. She doesn't really remember the dream....but her brain does and files it away. Over time......

OK, this is all just wild speculation....."For God's sake Jim, I'm an engineer not a psychiatrist!"

2018-09-26 10:37 AM
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Well, the latest allegation, from Julie Swetnick, is a problem. She certainly appears credible. (I would feel better if the weasel Avanetti wasn't her lawyer, but it is what it is)  If she can corroborate her sworn statement, with other witnesses, Kavanaugh is probably finished.  And..... if these allegations prove to be true, rightfully so.



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2018-09-26 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

Well, the latest allegation, from Julie Swetnick, is a problem. She certainly appears credible. (I would feel better if the weasel Avanetti wasn't her lawyer, but it is what it is)  If she can corroborate her sworn statement, with other witnesses, Kavanaugh is probably finished.  And..... if these allegations prove to be true, rightfully so.




Credible? Did he find her or did she seek out the creepy porn star lawyer?
2018-09-26 11:14 AM
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Look at her background and security clearances.  Google her.

2018-09-26 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

Well, the latest allegation, from Julie Swetnick, is a problem. She certainly appears credible. (I would feel better if the weasel Avanetti wasn't her lawyer, but it is what it is)  If she can corroborate her sworn statement, with other witnesses, Kavanaugh is probably finished.  And..... if these allegations prove to be true, rightfully so.

much more credible than that second "allegation"



2018-09-26 11:33 AM
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Look at her background and security clearances.  Google her.




She had/has a security clearance? So did Comey, Page, Strzok, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, et al.

The allegation she made is that she saw Kavanaugh "in line" for gang rape at a party where she says she was bombed.
2018-09-26 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by Rogillio
Originally posted by Left Brain

Look at her background and security clearances.  Google her.

She had/has a security clearance? So did Comey, Page, Strzok, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, et al. The allegation she made is that she saw Kavanaugh "in line" for gang rape at a party where she says she was bombed.

the allegation she made is that she was gang raped by him and others while incapacitated form what she believes are drugs they put in her drink.

2018-09-26 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by Rogillio
Originally posted by Left Brain

Look at her background and security clearances.  Google her.

She had/has a security clearance? So did Comey, Page, Strzok, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, et al. The allegation she made is that she saw Kavanaugh "in line" for gang rape at a party where she says she was bombed.

the allegation she made is that she was gang raped by him and others while incapacitated form what she believes are drugs they put in her drink.




I don't believe that is correct. From what I've read is she witnessed Kavanaugh and Judge in line. She did not allege he gang rapped her.

So if she can remember Judge and Kavanaugh at the party then she MUST have remembered some of the other boys that actually were in line to corroborate her story - right?
2018-09-26 11:47 AM
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A Lawyer from Newport Beach, CA has this new client from Washington DC? How and why did these two get together? Why would someone from Washington DC hire an attorney from Newport Beach, CA ?
2018-09-26 11:57 AM
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She claims to have been to a dozen of these type parties. Doesn't that make her complicit? Why were the never reported by anyone?!

She claims that he was 'present' at these parties and therefore is guilty of whatever took place?

If she was credible you would think she would have chosen a lawyer who wouldn't have any reason to be questioned as to his own credibility.


2018-09-26 12:19 PM
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It just occurred to me....maybe Kavanaugh and Judge were so bad at gang raping they forgot to get Ford drunk enough before attempting to rape her.

Yeah, that's the ticket....Professor Ford did the deed in he Library with the Kavanaugh's Cigar. No wait, that was Clinton
2018-09-26 12:33 PM
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A lot of it still stinks really bad.

First, the timing is just ridiculous.  There can be NO DOUBT the Dems will do ANYTHING to keep a conservative judge off that bench.  The question I always have when presented with a sexual abuse case is "why in the hell would she/he make that up?"....in this case, that's pretty easily answered.

Second.  The only lawyer you can find is the guy who said he was going to take down the President?  A guy the media genrally refers to as "creepy porn lawyer".......really?  That's no coincidence.

Third.  The Ford allegation was dead in the water.  The exposing allegation got zero traction.  So now we have a third one that is WAY beyond anything else they've tried.  Fishing with bigger bait now to see who they can catch since the others were useless.

So now you have to go back and see what kind of corroboration there is for this one.  If none.....then I would just forego a vote, hand Kavanaugh a robe, apologize for the disgusting play by the Dems, and move on with my life.  If it can be credibly corroborated.....remove Kavanaugh from contention and get to work on the new nomination.



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2018-09-26 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by Rogillio
Originally posted by Left Brain

Look at her background and security clearances.  Google her.

She had/has a security clearance? So did Comey, Page, Strzok, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, et al. The allegation she made is that she saw Kavanaugh "in line" for gang rape at a party where she says she was bombed.

the allegation she made is that she was gang raped by him and others while incapacitated form what she believes are drugs they put in her drink.

No, that is not true.

2018-09-26 12:38 PM
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A lot of it still stinks really bad.

First, the timing is just ridiculous.  There can be NO DOUBT the Dems will do ANYTHING to keep a conservative judge off that bench.  The question I always have when presented with a sexual abuse case is "why in the hell would she/he make that up?"....in this case, that's pretty easily answered.

Second.  The only lawyer you can find is the guy who said he was going to take down the President?  A guy the media genrally refers to as "creepy porn lawyer".......really?  That's no coincidence.

Third.  The Ford allegation was dead in the water.  The exposing allegation got zero traction.  So now we have a third one that is WAY beyond anything else they've tried.  Fishing with bigger bait now to see who they can catch since the others were useless.

So now you have to go back and see what kind of corroboration there is for this one.  If none.....then I would just forego a vote, hand Kavanaugh a robe, apologize for the disgusting play by the Dems, and move on with my life.  If it can be credibly corroborated.....remove Kavanaugh from contention and get to work on the new nomination.




Exactly. Should be very easy to corroborate with multiple people and multiple parties. Take the vote and let the chips fall where they may and then they have 3 months to confirm someone else.
2018-09-26 1:01 PM
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Man, if you really take some time to read her statement it's kind of crazy.  Soooooo.....this gal claims that she was at "numerous parties" after she became aware that boys were spiking drinks and "lining up in the hallway to take their turn with a victim".......and you just keep going to these parties?  To the point where you eventually become a victim of a gang rape??  GetTheForkOuttaHere!!  Name a single person on this planet who would do that......you see this numerous times and what?? You don't tell anyone??  You keep going back??  This is stupid.



2018-09-26 2:54 PM
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Heard someone suggest on the radio that she shopped around for a lawyer and nobody would take the case except creepy porn lawyer.
2018-09-26 2:59 PM
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If this turns out to be another unsubstantiated allegation like Ford's appears to be it will set women's reporting of sex crimes back 50 years. 

I don't want to see that.....but these knuckleheads on the left really can't see the nose on their face....which is how they lost the Presidential election.

2018-09-27 9:43 AM
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anyone watching?

2018-09-27 9:53 AM
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anyone watching?

I am.

Going to be interesting. 

I don't really buy the GOP line that this is all just obstruction. Note that the dems didn't parade out a bunch of sexual assault allegations for Gorsuch. He's a decent, honorable guy, and no one could really dispute that. Kavanaugh, notsomuch, and it's a mess.

It reeks of politics that the GOP needs to sweep all this under the rug so quickly rather than take a few weeks to do a legit investigation. We could wait a year when it was Garland, but we need to vote on this tomorrow? Sure. 

Did anyone watch Trump's train wreck of a press conference last night? Whoa. Dude is 100% off his rocker. 

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