90 RPM Question
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2006-09-18 10:45 AM |
Member 41 Ashburn, VA | Subject: 90 RPM Question Hi evbdy, I am starting my cycling base training and I just purchased a Speedometer with cadence to start focussing on this. I was wondering what cadence shoud I adopt throughout my base training (and later on though pre-competition training). For now, I keep 90-95 average with a few 100-110 as it seems that 90 is the golden number. I usually bike 20 miles easy on sundays (80-85 mn). I will add a few spinning cycles when I start pre-competition training. For now I just go easy with a medium to high cadence. Let me know if this sounds good or if I am wrong. Thanks |
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2006-09-18 11:00 AM in reply to: #544390 |
Champion 7036 Sarasota, FL | Subject: RE: 90 RPM Question Sounds okay as a starting point for building your base. You might also want to track your heart rate or level of exertion at 90-95 cadence, to make sure you're not pushing too hard. Mark |
2006-09-18 11:00 AM in reply to: #544390 |
Lethbridge, Alberta | Subject: RE: 90 RPM Question Sounds like you're on the right track. |
2006-09-18 11:06 AM in reply to: #544434 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: 90 RPM Question RedCorvette - 2006-09-18 11:00 AM Sounds okay as a starting point for building your base. You might also want to track your heart rate or level of exertion at 90-95 cadence, to make sure you're not pushing too hard. Mark Or not hard enough. |
2006-09-18 12:47 PM in reply to: #544390 |
Member 41 Ashburn, VA | Subject: RE: 90 RPM Question Thanks for your answers. As far as my HR is concerned I was doing 122 AVG during the 90-95 RPM. That is about 65% of my max. I guess this is the correct zone to be in when I go easy-medium... |
2006-09-18 1:02 PM in reply to: #544630 |
Pro 6582 Melbourne FL | Subject: RE: 90 RPM Question Fab - 2006-09-18 1:47 PM Thanks for your answers. As far as my HR is concerned I was doing 122 AVG during the 90-95 RPM. That is about 65% of my max. I guess this is the correct zone to be in when I go easy-medium... Do a bike LT test, max HR is pretty much irrelevant. http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=25733&start=1
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2006-09-18 9:43 PM in reply to: #544390 |
Pro 3870 Virginia Beach, VA | Subject: RE: 90 RPM Question Optimum cadence is individual but generally speaking triathletes should focus on not going much below 85-90rpm for racing. I would suggest working through a range of cadence during your training though in order to more fully develop your cycling ability. I typically race at 95-105rpm in order to minimize recruitment of fast twitch fibers...this is important for triathletes because we still need to run after the bike. During training I specifically do some lower cadence work as stregth training and I also incorporate some very high cadence intervals for neuromuscular training. I limit both the low and high cadence work to roughly 10-20% of my total cycling volume depending on where I am in my training progression. |
2006-09-18 9:56 PM in reply to: #545256 |
Pro 6582 Melbourne FL | Subject: RE: 90 RPM Question TH3_FRB - 2006-09-18 10:43 PM Optimum cadence is individual but generally speaking triathletes should focus on not going much below 85-90rpm for racing. I would suggest working through a range of cadence during your training though in order to more fully develop your cycling ability. I typically race at 95-105rpm in order to minimize recruitment of fast twitch fibers...this is important for triathletes because we still need to run after the bike. During training I specifically do some lower cadence work as stregth training and I also incorporate some very high cadence intervals for neuromuscular training. I limit both the low and high cadence work to roughly 10-20% of my total cycling volume depending on where I am in my training progression. Nice feedback Joel. I just got cadence monitoring on the new bike and was wondering how to better use it. |
2006-09-19 8:11 AM in reply to: #544390 |
8763 Boulder, Colorado | Subject: RE: 90 RPM Question Here are a couple of sources that I found: And this one: Cycling Cadence: Slow cadence - Fast Twitch, Fast Cadence - Slow Twitch?Many cyclists and triathletes ask about which cadence is "best". Lance Armstrong's victories in the Tour de France over the last two years have caused a lot of interest in this question, as we saw a dramatic difference in pedaling styles between Tour contenders Ullrich, with his lower cadence, bigger gear style, and Armstrong, with his higher cadence, low gear form. With Armstrong's style appearing to be more effective with his mountain stage wins, many scientists and coaches looked further into why this higher cadence style may be more effective. It has been reported in past studies that pedaling a higher cadences, (80+ rpm), is more efficient than slower cadences. One way to measure efficiency is by measuring oxygen consumption rates. This measures the metabolic "cost" of the exercise. In order to determine the cost of slower vs. faster cadences one study compared oxygen consumption rates, heart rates, breathing rates, power production and even blood lactate production of pedaling at 50 rpm vs. 100 rpm. In order to make the comparison, the athlete's speeds were kept constant across the two cadences. The result was that all of these indicators were very similar between the two cadences for the thirty minute test. One significant difference however, was the greater glycogen depletion in the slower 50 rpm condition. Looking closer, the researchers saw that only the fast twitch muscle fibres used more glycogen when pedaling at 50 rpm than they did when pedaling at 100 rpm. The slow twitch muscle fibres lost comparable amounts of glycogen in both the 50 rpm and 100 rpm conditions. The slower cadence resulted in fewer, but more forceful contractions required to maintain the constant speed. It may sound counter-intuitive, but the higher force requirements of the slower cadence results in the recruitment of more fast twitch muscle fibres, since these fibres are capable of producing more force than slow twitch fibres. The drawback is that fast twitch fibres consume more glycogen, and fatigue more quickly than slow twitch fibres. As result, over the course of a workout, fast twitch fibres will get depleted and will fatigue. More fast twitch fibres will need to be recruited as the duration increases, which results in an increase of the total number of muscle fibres activated. In addition, research has found that the faster cadence results in greater fat oxidation. Basically since slow twitch fibres are more efficient fat burners than fast twitch fibres, higher cadences that resulted in greater slow twitch recruitment used less glycogen, which is very important in endurance exercise performance. Over the course of a longer duration, the higher oxygen costs, and faster glycogen depletion seen in slower cadences results in reduced efficiency as compared to fast cadences. Of course few cyclists would ever pedal as slowly as 50 rpm, but there are still efficiency differences, although smaller, between cadences in the 70s and lower 80s as compared to high 80s and 90 rpm plus. Slow twitch fibres can easily handle cadences of 100 rpm, but there is another factor to consider. When many cyclists do "spin ups", or accelerations to a higher cadence, they find that they bounce on the saddle, and their pedaling form suffers. This is caused by a lack of neuro-muscular co-ordination at high cadences, which in turn negatively affects efficiency. The good news is that co-ordination is trainable, and with practice, pedaling at high cadences can be improved. So the question remains: what is the best cadence? Examining high performance cyclists and triathletes seems to confirm that cadences of 85-95 rpm are optimal for most athletes, and for most terrain. With proper training at these cadences (at all intensities), the higher cadences will be more economical and thus will result in faster times on the bike. And there is an added bonus: since higher cadences result in more glycogen being spared, especially in fast twitch fibres, there is the ability to have a faster sprint to the finish. Joel Filliol
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2006-09-19 8:33 AM in reply to: #544390 |
Member 41 Ashburn, VA | Subject: RE: 90 RPM Question Great feedback from Joel and Mike in particular. Thanks a bunch. So if I try to sum it up, I guess I can keep training @ 90-95 rpm as the main cadence as this is good for a triathlete that wants to save some muscle for the run. I can also include a few exercises (no more than 15% of the total time): a/ 5-6 times reps @ +110 rpm and above b/ 3-4 times w/ one leg spinning @90 rpm c/ later in my calendar training when I start pre-competition, I will also include 3-4 times @ 60-70 rpm (strengh). Thanks |