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 2006-10-10 3:02 PM |
Expert  755    SF-Bay Area |  Subject: No HRM = new 10K PR = Lesson learnedDon't get me wrong, I'm the world's biggest advocate of HRM-usage during training. But, at 6am this morning, I headed out for my roughly-10K run, did my warm-up walk, was all set to go when I realized I had strapped on my HRM-transmitter, but forgot to put on my watch! Not wanting to turn around to get it, I just ran with my Nano/Nike+Sports Kit. I selected my new Nike Crystal Method (high-cadence) mix to run to, and just went at it. Low-and-behold, but at my turnaround I was a couple minutes faster than ever, so I hit the summary button and heard in that soothing female voice that I was on a 8'14" pace (my previous best 10K pace has been 9'05" Finished today with a new PR of 55'10" for my 6.47mi run (works out to an 8'32"/mi pace). Extrapolating from that, I expect my 10K time to be 53'00" even. This smashed my previous PR by almost 30-seconds/mile! (Note: and yes, my Nano/Nike+Sports Kit is well-calibrated, but that doesn't really matter as I know what the distance is from running it so many times before.) Lesson learned: sometimes its better not knowing your HR, and just letting it rip by RPE. Sometimes the HRM can be a bit of a leash holding you back. Edited by guncollector 2006-10-10 3:08 PM |
| 2006-10-10 3:10 PM in reply to: #565890 |
Extreme Veteran 412 Fort Worth | Subject: RE: No HRM = new 10K PR = Lesson learned Gadgets are training aides, but as you say they tend to be a leash. Always trying to train in the optimal zone can get restraing and boring. The one advice I like to give to new people is to listen to your body. It is usually meant that if you are tired or hurting - stop and walk. But it also goes the other way. If you are feeling good why not let your body go once in a while and see what happens. I do that myself from time to time and it is always a big kick to the motivation. Great job on your 10K and an awsome pace. Edited by MarkQuiet 2006-10-10 3:10 PM |
| 2006-10-10 3:17 PM in reply to: #565890 |
| SF Bay Area, Mountain View | Subject: RE: No HRM = new 10K PR = Lesson learned Heart Rate Monitors are a training help and nothing more. a good one, granted, but certainly of no help when your perceived exertion tells you you could push harder. i'm a big advocate for HRM when it comes to people who are new to endurance training. not so much for people who should have the experience to be able to read their body's signals. good experience, guncollector. don't drop the HRM, but don't forget that it has its limits. have a great run at the US Half, btw. |
| 2006-10-10 3:17 PM in reply to: #565890 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: No HRM = new 10K PR = Lesson learned Awesome!! Sometimes those days just happen when you are in the zone and don't feel like you're working hard even though your pace rocks. I've felt a good bunch of those these last few months in my marathon training. It's a good feeling to have a solid day! Congrats, keep it up! |
| 2006-10-10 3:21 PM in reply to: #565890 |
Master 1862 San Mateo, CA | Subject: RE: No HRM = new 10K PR = Lesson learned guncollector - 2006-10-10 1:02 PM Finished today with a new PR of 55'10" for my 6.47mi run (works out to an 8'32"/mi pace). Way to go...I still haven't seen anyone with a blue blinky armband streaking through the neighborhood. :-) |
| 2006-10-10 3:28 PM in reply to: #565890 |
Extreme Veteran 355 Kuna, Idaho | Subject: RE: No HRM = new 10K PR = Lesson learned I felt that way last night also. I didn't take my MP3 player with me last night because one of my kids destroyed my headphones. I usually like to run to music. I had my HRM on but it was dark out and I couldn't see it very good. I was planning on an easy run but the legs felt great and I was able to push it. ad my fastest quietest 4 mile run to date. 8:53. Miles. HR was OK also 151 AVG. I know that one of my middle miles was an 8:10 split also one of my fastest spits yet. This fat boy is getting faster week by week. |
| 2006-10-10 3:34 PM in reply to: #565913 |
Expert 755 SF-Bay Area | Subject: RE: No HRM = new 10K PR = Lesson learned awol - 2006-10-10 1:17 PM have a great run at the US Half, btw. Thanks. I pre-ran the course this past Saturday--though some parts are hilly, not as I bad as I expected. After the turnaround, you can really let it rip because its all flat or downhill! Daremo - 2006-10-10 1:17 PM Awesome!! Sometimes those days just happen when you are in the zone and don't feel like you're working hard even though your pace rocks... Ain't that the truth. I "thought" I was running my normal pace (until the turnaround that is). betyoursilver - 2006-10-10 1:21 PM Way to go...I still haven't seen anyone with a blue blinky armband streaking through the neighborhood. :-)
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But, you will! BTW, my 10K route doesn't quite take me into Burlingame. | 2006-10-10 4:42 PM in reply to: #565890 |
| SF Bay Area, Mountain View | Subject: RE: No HRM = new 10K PR = Lesson learned Marvarnett and I will be running with you! us both signed up, too. if you want to hook up, let us know. we're going for a swim at the Aquatic Park after. |
| 2006-10-10 4:45 PM in reply to: #565890 |
Pro 4675 Wisconsin near the Twin Cities metro | Subject: RE: No HRM = new 10K PR = Lesson learned or....maybe your accumulated training has made you faster, thus the PR??  |
| 2006-10-10 7:33 PM in reply to: #565890 |
Pro 3870 Virginia Beach, VA | Subject: RE: No HRM = new 10K PR = Lesson learned Congrats on the breakthrough! I think what you discovered is that all the HR training you've been doing is paying off. I wear my HRM when I train and race but I use it as a secondary data source when racing, especially shorter distances. Even for 1/2 and full marathons I tend to pace by feel and my mile splits rather than let the HRM dictate my race. |
| 2006-10-10 8:30 PM in reply to: #565890 |
molto veloce mama 9311 | Subject: RE: No HRM = new 10K PR = Lesson learned after being hrm addicted for my first season, i was panic stricken when the strap broke minutes before the start of my first 1/2 marathon. there was nothing i could do. after that race, i felt SO liberated from the hrm. i still use it and think it is a vital tool, especially for newbies and in base building...but i'm glad i have a handle on PE and other gauges of effort. |
| 2006-10-11 7:52 AM in reply to: #565890 |
Extreme Veteran 370 Arnhem | Subject: RE: No HRM = new 10K PR = Lesson learned I used my HRM in 10k races the first few times and felt after the finish that I hadn't given it all I had. I was holding back, trying to keep my HR beloow 165. I was afraid of blowing up too soon. For my last race, I put on the HRM, but just looked at my time, not the HR. Got a PR by more than 2'30" (39'54). My extra training between the races also helped, but after the race I looked at my average HR: 177 ! For short races, I will never use my HRM again. I will just give it all I've got. |
| 2006-10-11 7:56 AM in reply to: #565890 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: No HRM = new 10K PR = Lesson learned guncollector - 2006-10-10 3:02 PM Well duh! Don't get me wrong, I'm the world's biggest advocate of HRM-usage during training. But, at 6am this morning, I headed out for my roughly-10K run, did my warm-up walk, was all set to go when I realized I had strapped on my HRM-transmitter, but forgot to put on my watch! Not wanting to turn around to get it, I just ran with my Nano/Nike+Sports Kit. I selected my new Nike Crystal Method (high-cadence) mix to run to, and just went at it. Low-and-behold, but at my turnaround I was a couple minutes faster than ever, so I hit the summary button and heard in that soothing female voice that I was on a 8'14" pace (my previous best 10K pace has been 9'05" Finished today with a new PR of 55'10" for my 6.47mi run (works out to an 8'32"/mi pace). Extrapolating from that, I expect my 10K time to be 53'00" even. This smashed my previous PR by almost 30-seconds/mile! (Note: and yes, my Nano/Nike+Sports Kit is well-calibrated, but that doesn't really matter as I know what the distance is from running it so many times before.) Lesson learned: sometimes its better not knowing your HR, and just letting it rip by RPE. Sometimes the HRM can be a bit of a leash holding you back. (Kidding) I think for shorter races it is wise to race by pace/PE primary and HRM secondary (I still wear my HR for most races to look at the data after the race) and I do the same for training btw. Why? Well, the shorter the race the less critical is to gauge our effort because we basically want to go out as hard as possible. For Marathon, HIM, etc you do want to pace wisely to avoid “hitting the wall” hence HR/PE becomes the primary mode to gauge effort and pace secondary. It isn’t that hard and I really don’t get why some people think that you must train one way or the other. It is ALL good! Using different tools for training enhances it and allows us to monitor improvements, get fitter and race smarter… |
| 2006-10-12 1:13 PM in reply to: #565890 |
Champion 6993 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: No HRM = new 10K PR = Lesson learned well remember in races you want your HR to be through the roof on short races. I been told if you are not 90% to 95% you are not racing properly. now in a more edurance its important to take it slow. I use my hr monitor all the time I when I use it I go slower but I have a mch more consistant race and I do not just bonk and the end and watch my pace drop. I rather start the race at a slower pace and then pass everyone instead of everyone passing me. |
| 2006-10-12 5:41 PM in reply to: #566118 |
| Elite 3650 Laurium, MI | Subject: RE: No HRM = new 10K PR = Lesson learned i agree with joel. I pr'd my last half and I ran sans any electronics. Not even a watch. I just pushed as hard as I thought I could go. Just remember that your HRM is only as good as it's calibration. If you haven't assessed your LT lately, then your zones could be holding you back. Also realize that race pace is different then training pace and when running up to tempo, you will be running outside of your training zones. Now you know your RPE better, you should start to synergize the two together and learn from the larger picture. |
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