Goodbye America.... (Page 3)

OK, but the point of my post is over....................................................here

I am no one of those "if you dont like this bill then you hate america types" so Im not really sure where that came from.  I understand the premis that a similar bill to this (this is an assuption, I like most here have not read either of the two bill in question) was inacted in the past.  Had the OP said that this may cause harm in the future by impleminting some kind of systematic disctimination of people (ie Plesy v. Furgeson) I would have no issue with the post and would have gone about my business.  The problem was the OP was left very open ended as to what the result of passing the bill would be, implying that they could be similar.

Not debating the point of your post just making sure that we all know. 

Chris,

Yes, I was referring to the reporters and those types.  To my knowledge, they have not had any soldiers on tape.  There is a gap between the two items if you look at them in the same light.  But the terrorists don't have a large prison to keep any people they want, so I say it's the same because it's what they have. 

My point was that we kill people on the battlefield just like they kill people on the battlefield.  We just  have the "luxury" (used VERY loosely) of being able to do it from afar at times.  Both sides are trying to win by any means necessary..that's the vein I was trying to stay in.

Careful, you're getting into Bill Maher territory

Guess it depends on how you define battlefield

I am no one of those "if you dont like this bill then you hate america types" so Im not really sure where that came from.  I understand the premis that a similar bill to this (this is an assuption, I like most here have not read either of the two bill in question) was inacted in the past.  Had the OP said that this may cause harm in the future by impleminting some kind of systematic disctimination of people (ie Plesy v. Furgeson) I would have no issue with the post and would have gone about my business.  The problem was the OP was left very open ended as to what the result of passing the bill would be, implying that they could be similar.

Fair point!!  The problem is that our politicians fight our wars as much as our soldiers.  It think that has something to do with it.

But like I said, I do not have the answer.  Hopefully someone does sometime soon.

Amen

Artist: Nelson Willie

Riding on the City of New Orleans,
Illinois Central Monday morning rail
Fifteen cars and fifteen restless riders,
Three conductors and twenty-five sacks of mail.
All along the southbound odyssey
The train pulls out at Kankakee
Rolls along past houses, farms and fields.
Passin' trains that have no names,
Freight yards full of old black men
And the graveyards of the rusted automobiles.

CHORUS:
Good morning America how are you?
Don't you know me I'm your native son,
I'm the train they call The City of New Orleans,
I'll be gone five hundred miles when the day is done.

Dealin' card games with the old men in the club car.
Penny a point ain't no one keepin' score.
Pass the paper bag that holds the bottle
Feel the wheels rumblin' 'neath the floor.
And the sons of pullman porters
And the sons of engineers
Ride their father's magic carpets made of steel.
Mothers with their babes asleep,
Are rockin' to the gentle beat
And the rhythm of the rails is all they feel.

CHORUS

Nighttime on The City of New Orleans,
Changing cars in Memphis, Tennessee.
Half way home, we'll be there by morning
Through the Mississippi darkness
Rolling down to the sea.
And all the towns and people seem
To fade into a bad dream
And the steel rails still ain't heard the news.
The conductor sings his song again,
The passengers will please refrain
This train's got the disappearing railroad blues.

Good night, America, how are you?
Don't you know me I'm your native son,
I'm the train they call The City of New Orleans,
I'll be gone five hundred miles when the day is done.

Sorry I didn't mean to imply that you thinks he hates America because of his remarks... I was speaking more generally about it... didn't mean to paint you with that brush...

Cheers

No biggie, I was just hoping to not come off as one of those guys.  I deal with alot of them on a daily basis down here at Texas A&M and the just sound plain ignorant alot of the time.  99.9% of the time not agreeing with something america has done does not mean that you hate america. 

when Ty throws out a Willie Nelson reset....you know you've pretty much exhausted the life of the thread.

Oh and Kenny,...nice post.  Seriously.

I think what is worrisome is that the President and 3 people that he appoints are the only ones who can define who is an "enemy of the state".  They could levy that decision on anyone and say they are a war criminal, thus excluding them from any judicial rights outside the military tribunals...this includes foreign and Americans alike.

For those three appointees, is there an "advice and consent of the senate" clause?  It seems like there would be as with Judges, Secrataries, UN ambassators and the like.  I could just read it for myself, but that seems a little difficult.

No.  The signing off on this bill by the Senate was their consent.

Please go watch this video from Keith Olberman- he's one of the few, very few, newscasters i can handle and actually believe.  this is his commentary.  he's also got a great one- the interview with the GW guy- but i think someone already mentioned it.