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 2006-10-19 9:17 AM |
Extreme Veteran  494   West Chicago |  Subject: Too High expectations?To make a long story longer........I started getting back into shape for my wedding reception (This Saturday) and have had good success dropping weight - about 20lbs since then. Ben hitting the gym for treadmill a few times a week and pool 1- 2x a week as well as a little stationary bike & weights thrown in. As I like the multisport aspect and I have an old freind resurface who did her first tri this summer, i checked out BT. - Great stuff here.. I can do 3 miles in about 35 minutes running and really want to move little faster. Is it imprortant to build the aerobic base (which I feel swimming is actually helping my running not vice-cersa) and then worry about speed? Been reading Glovers "The Runner's Handbook" and am following the intermmediate schedule so last night was 2 miles in 21:42 after w/u and before cool down. Felt pretty good but man I really want to be able to average sub9 minute miles... Is it just a matter of me being impatient with myself? do I just keep slogging... building the base with occasional speed work and my times will come down? 30 minutes for 3 miles is my first goal but even that seem slow....to me |
| 2006-10-19 9:22 AM in reply to: #572598 |
Elite 2733  Venture Industries, | Subject: RE: Too High expectations? You know what you are capable of. But remember if you're Tri'in you will have swam and biked before you even start running. Build your base in all three disciplines and since its the "off" season keep your progression consistent and reasonable. If you want to see how it feels try 40-45 mins on the bike then hop off and take a run. Much different feeling than just hitting the road running after a brief warm up. Ultimately you are going to be the judge of how far and how fast you can go. |
| 2006-10-19 9:37 AM in reply to: #572598 |
Master 2299 New York | Subject: RE: Too High expectations? It's definitely not an overnight change, but more a gradual build. I would definitely recommend working on building your aerobic base, especially since most of us are now thoroughly entrenched in the off season. To start bringing down your times, though, I think you're going to need to put in more than 1 or 2 sessions per week of 30 minutes. It's a good start, but that kind of volume isn't going to reap huge rewards in a small amount of time, at least as far as improved times are considered (IMO). Keep it up, though, and with varying workouts (long, tempo, speed, etc.) you'll see your times come down in good time. |
| 2006-10-19 9:46 AM in reply to: #572598 |
Science Nerd 28760  Redwood City, California | Subject: RE: Too High expectations? Congrats on what you've been able to achieve so far! I took a look at your logs and it looks like you aren't running more than about 3 miles. I've found that being able to run longer has also made me run faster at the short distances. So, I would recommend that you try to increase the amount of time that you run and you will be able to run faster. You can also incorporate speed workouts to help you get faster. It's really hard to be patient, but that's really important. It takes awhile. Stick with it and you'll get there. |
| 2006-10-19 10:15 AM in reply to: #572632 |
Extreme Veteran 494 West Chicago | Subject: RE: Too High expectations? ok,, so be patient - increase time / distance & frequency and not worry so much about speed quite yet... that's really hard for me to do... patience- from Latin present participle of pati "to suffer" Thanks.. Is this impatience thing "normal"? |
| 2006-10-19 10:21 AM in reply to: #572598 |
Master 2299 New York | Subject: RE: Too High expectations? It's normal, and it can be frustrating. But don't let the impatience put you off. |
| 2006-10-19 1:03 PM in reply to: #572598 |
Regular 408 Rhode Island | Subject: RE: Too High expectations? Dave, as for the impatience, when are you doing a tri? Mine probably isn't until May, almost 8 months away. So while I also keep thinking, I gotta get faster, I gotta push, push, push, instead I stop myself and think, I have 8 months to get faster, I don't want to burn out in mid-January and then next thing I know its May and I'm out of shape again. Remember, it was the tortoise who beat the hare. |
| 2006-10-19 1:10 PM in reply to: #572598 |
Champion 6962 Atlanta, Ga | Subject: RE: Too High expectations? Build your aerobic base first. Even with all my running background, I did tons of base training (Zone 1 runs) and my times dropped like a rock!! But base mileage is LONG & SLOW mileage. 3 miles is just the warm up. Great job on losing the weight! Keep it up or rather down. |
| 2006-10-19 1:11 PM in reply to: #572598 |
| SF Bay Area, Mountain View | Subject: RE: Too High expectations? daveo1101 - 2006-10-19 7:17 AM To make a long story longer........I started getting back into shape for my wedding reception (This Saturday) and have had good success dropping weight - about 20lbs since then. Ben hitting the gym for treadmill a few times a week and pool 1- 2x a week as well as a little stationary bike & weights thrown in. As I like the multisport aspect and I have an old freind resurface who did her first tri this summer, i checked out BT. - Great stuff here.. I can do 3 miles in about 35 minutes running and really want to move little faster. Is it imprortant to build the aerobic base (which I feel swimming is actually helping my running not vice-cersa) and then worry about speed? Been reading Glovers "The Runner's Handbook" and am following the intermmediate schedule so last night was 2 miles in 21:42 after w/u and before cool down. Felt pretty good but man I really want to be able to average sub9 minute miles... Is it just a matter of me being impatient with myself? do I just keep slogging... building the base with occasional speed work and my times will come down? 30 minutes for 3 miles is my first goal but even that seem slow....to me here's what you should do: go to a gym that has treadmills or stationary bikes with a built-in HRM and a fitness test program. (Startrack Pro machines do - they're pretty popular) and find out your VO2max. if you know that you can easily find out what speed you're *theoretically* capable of. it's impossible to tell from our perspective if you're not pushing yourself hard enough or if you are where you should be. cheers! |
| 2006-10-19 1:38 PM in reply to: #572920 |
Extreme Veteran 494 West Chicago | Subject: RE: Too High expectations? Marvarnett - 2006-10-19 1:10 PM Build your aerobic base first. Even with all my running background, I did tons of base training (Zone 1 runs) and my times dropped like a rock!! But base mileage is LONG & SLOW mileage. 3 miles is just the warm up. Great job on losing the weight! Keep it up or rather down. any slower and I'm walking! need to understand more about zones... - the lifefitness treadmill has a fitness test.... not sure how that works but can give it a whirl Thanks for the advice! |
| 2006-10-19 1:44 PM in reply to: #572922 |
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| 2006-10-19 2:08 PM in reply to: #572980 |
| , Texas | Subject: RE: Too High expectations? daveo1101 - 2006-10-19 1:38 PM the lifefitness treadmill has a fitness test.... not sure how that works but can give it a whirl Thanks for the advice! Not real sure how knowing some calculated V02 would help, but here are the LifeFitness manuals: http://us.commercial.lifefitness.com/content.cfm/treadmillmanuals
It sure helped me remove the annoying 1 hour time limit per run |
| 2006-10-19 2:29 PM in reply to: #573021 |
| SF Bay Area, Mountain View | Subject: RE: Too High expectations? camy - 2006-10-19 12:08 PM Not real sure how knowing some calculated V02 would help... I don't know what test LifeFitness uses - Startrack uses the Astrand-Rhyming test, which has been used for about 50 years to estimate Vo2max and is very close to the true value. now if dave knows his Vo2max then he can easily figure out what speed he should be running at 70% Vo2max and his age. that will tell him if he's slogging and getting nowhwere or if there's real training happening. wasn't that the question? |
| 2006-10-19 3:15 PM in reply to: #573066 |
Extreme Veteran 494 West Chicago | Subject: RE: Too High expectations? awol - yep I guess it will tell me Thanks for the manuals should be a big help - hmm i wonder if i can program my own, it seems to me the gym mgt is clueless and if i can program a few of them then the likliehood of getting one that has "my" workout in it is higher. Thanks evryone who weighed in with an opinion |
| 2006-10-20 8:39 AM in reply to: #572598 |
Champion 6993 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Too High expectations? yeah LSD is all you need. Long slow distance. Aslo once you get a good base going them do a tempo run mid week that will be at the time you want to go. If you can not quite do the whole distance then do not worry it will come in time. Tris are all about effeciecently so working with your heaert rate is very important in my opipion. you will get there look at me. I could only walk about 3 miles in 15 min pace and 7 months later I did my first marathon. I was over 100 lbs over weight the entire time. Remember Tris were invent to help runners if I know my tri legends correctly. Swimming and biking are good ways to help build your cardio base and prevent over use injuries. oh yeah your expectation may be too high for what you can acheive up work for it and if you make it wonderful but also if you do not realise if you gave it all that is great too. I expect too much from myself all the time but I do not let it get me down if I fail because I know this going in. Edited by chirunner134 2006-10-20 8:41 AM |
| 2006-10-20 10:16 AM in reply to: #572598 |
Expert 1213 Los Gatos, CA | Subject: RE: Too High expectations? You are averaging almost 12 min/mile...barely a jog, some people walk faster than that...no offense but, yes, you are impatient......put in the time, your body will adjust....forget about any kind of speed/tempo, you just need time 'out there', try to maintain a semblance of that job for as long as you can...this sport has no quick fixes or instant gratification, it only returns what you put in. |
| 2006-10-20 3:43 PM in reply to: #573627 |
Extreme Veteran 494 West Chicago | Subject: RE: Too High expectations? us50090 - 2006-10-20 10:16 AM You are averaging almost 12 min/mile...barely a jog, some people walk faster than that...no offense ow!  Well i better get on it then |
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