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2007-03-17 11:24 PM

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Subject: Your opinion on sunscreen
Last year I was very dutifull in applying sunscreen every day 2-3 times. This was a pain in the arse, and I think I would almost as soon have skin cancer than go through the trouble and money to apply this much sunscreen again.

I have had my doubts about sunscreen. As with any product I am told I need, I wonder what did people do 100+ years ago when said product did not exist. Exactly when did cancer appear anyways?

Today I stumbled on some articles claiming sunscreen is harmful:
http://www.newstarget.com/020237.html
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_1889.cfm
There are plenty more on google...

I do realize that, according to who you listen to, someone will say everything in existence is good/bad. Anyone have any thoughts on this?


2007-03-17 11:44 PM
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When I wear sunscreen my skin does not burn, hurt like a SOB,  and peel.  I think that is a good indicator of it's effectiveness.   Before sunscreen people wore hats and long sleeves to work outside.   Also before 50 years ago, you would just die of cancer complications without knowing you had cancer.  Without biopsies and x-rays, etc.  How would you even know you had it?   Plus 100 years ago life expectancy was around 60, now it is pushing 80. 

If you hate putting on sunscreen, just put it on when you do stuff in the sun.  You don't need it all day everyday.   5 mins to put on sunscreen is worth it to me.  

 

 

 

 

2007-03-18 12:00 AM
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I don't use sunscreen often, but when I do, I'm one of those crazy MFers that uses the SPF 8. Or less. The way I see it is that if I'm going to burn, I shouldn't be out in it that long anyway. I tend to tan very easily, and have burned maybe a total of 5 times in my life...

Who knows, I may end up being the Fred Hutchinson poster child some day though...
2007-03-18 1:35 AM
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When I wear sunscreen my skin does not burn, hurt like a SOB, and peel. I think that is a good indicator of it's effectiveness. Before sunscreen people wore hats and long sleeves to work outside. Also before 50 years ago, you would just die of cancer complications without knowing you had cancer. Without biopsies and x-rays, etc. How would you even know you had it? Plus 100 years ago life expectancy was around 60, now it is pushing 80.

You do have a valid point, but I still don't trust sunscreen.

If you hate putting on sunscreen, just put it on when you do stuff in the sun. You don't need it all day everyday. 5 mins to put on sunscreen is worth it to me.

During the warm half of the year, I stay outdoors most of the day. Sunscreen has been proven to only last around an hour. And chemicals in sunscreen can apparently cause cancer.

Edited by ragingferret 2007-03-18 1:36 AM
2007-03-18 3:24 AM
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Aloha,

Please use  sunscreen. Even if it's a pain in the arse.  I just went through a pre-cancerous(sp) treatment on my bottom lip and it totally sucked.  Imagine if you can, having you entire bottom lip an oozing,bleeding scab for about 5-6 weeks. I have some pictures I'll be glad to PM you if you need any more motivation.  It's hard to eat, drink, sleep, talk, go out in public, train, etc.  It sucked.  And it was only on my bottom lip and it was pre-cancerous.  Years of surfing, going to the beach and being an outdoors person took it's toll.  I am pretty young(in my mind) 42.
Put the stuff on or dress accordingly.  But don't kid yourself.  Cancer is no fun.  You want to avoid it at all costs! I make sure to use lip protection all the time and sunblock the rest whenever I am going to be outside more than 20 mins.  They have some really good stuff now, that's super easy to apply and works great.  Anyways, I hope this helps.

 

Matt 

 

 

2007-03-18 5:56 AM
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So you believe everything you read?

Dude, wear sunscreen.


2007-03-18 5:58 AM
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ragingferret - 2007-03-17 11:24 PM

I think I would almost as soon have skin cancer than go through the trouble and money to apply this much sunscreen again.

I have had my doubts about sunscreen. As with any product I am told I need, I wonder what did people do 100+ years ago when said product did not exist. Exactly when did cancer appear anyways?

Anyone have any thoughts on this?


I watched my best friend die from malignant melanoma last summer. He had a horrible, painful and untimely death (47 YO) from metastatic brain tumors. There is no way you could witness his experience and conclude that you "would almost as soon have skin cancer than go through the trouble and money to apply this much sunscreen."

100+ years ago, environmental conditions were different - there is a lot more UV light now than there was then. Also, life expectancy was a lot shorter due to infectious disease and other factors. Understanding and diagnosis of disease was limited as well. So people were less likely to get it, or if they did, it was likely to be given some goofy name when "diagnosed."

Cancer is bad, bad stuff.

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2007-03-18 6:18 AM
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I've seen plenty of skin cancers patients that would gladly trade the minor irritation of putting on sunscreen for months long nausea, vomiting, excutiating pain, and ultimately death from advanced cancers.

ragingferret - 2007-03-17 11:24 PM Last year I was very dutifull in applying sunscreen every day 2-3 times. This was a pain in the arse, and I think I would almost as soon have skin cancer than go through the trouble and money to apply this much sunscreen again.

2007-03-18 7:52 AM
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I am pretty diligent about putting sunscreen on 3 times a day.  I do pest control and I either have my arm out the window or am out doors walking around.  Starting about 26-27 years ago I started breaking out with itchy hives if I don't wear sunscreen (I promise they keep me awake).  I am missing a chunk of the top of my left ear because I missed a spot, got burnt.ouch!!  I use minimum SPF 30 and still tan quite nicely though.

 

Bottom line:  USE SUNSCREEN!!! 

2007-03-18 8:32 AM
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skin cancer didn't just suddenly appear. What happened suddenly was our ability to correctly diagnose it. People used to die, and no one knew the cause. sunscreen rules.
2007-03-18 9:27 AM
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I have holes in my back where pre-cancer was cut out. Wear your sunscreen. I had an uncle who died from melanoma, before sunscreen was popular. Wear sunscreen. Do a google image search of skin cancer. Wear sunscreen.

In case you missed the subliminal message above, wear sunscreen.


2007-03-18 10:19 AM
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I always hated putting on the slimey crap and thought it was a pain too.  I found a sunscreen called Bullfrog.  Completely greasless and goes on easy.  Seems like it completely evaporates and would be worthless, but it works great.  I wear it in the carribean sun for 5 hour boat dives and it has never let me down.
2007-03-18 10:35 AM
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briderdt - 2007-03-18 1:00 AM I don't use sunscreen often, but when I do, I'm one of those crazy MFers that uses the SPF 8. Or less. The way I see it is that if I'm going to burn, I shouldn't be out in it that long anyway. I tend to tan very easily, and have burned maybe a total of 5 times in my life... Who knows, I may end up being the Fred Hutchinson poster child some day though...

Tanning is skin damage, just as a burn is!!

WEAR YOUR SUNSCREEN PEOPLE!!!!!!

2007-03-18 11:51 AM
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I burn easily in the sun - and wearing sunscreen is worth it to me just for the fact that I don't have to go through the pain of sunburn.  Let alone the fact that I don't want to get skin cancer.

I use spray-on sunscreen as I can't feel it, and that's the biggest drawback of sunscreen to me.

Kinesys ROCKS.

And dude, stop trying justify not wearing it w/ internet stories that basically say that once it wears off you need to reapply it.  Duh.  And - you put two links and they are to the SAME article?  What's up with that?

2007-03-18 11:56 AM
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Visit some people who have cancer and ask them whether sunscreen is worth the trouble.

 

2007-03-18 12:04 PM
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LaurenSU02 - 2007-03-18 10:35 AM

briderdt - 2007-03-18 1:00 AM I don't use sunscreen often, but when I do, I'm one of those crazy MFers that uses the SPF 8. Or less. The way I see it is that if I'm going to burn, I shouldn't be out in it that long anyway. I tend to tan very easily, and have burned maybe a total of 5 times in my life... Who knows, I may end up being the Fred Hutchinson poster child some day though...

Tanning is skin damage, just as a burn is!!

WEAR YOUR SUNSCREEN PEOPLE!!!!!!

What she said!

I make sure every skin product I use has an spf rating.   I even have my very dark husband wearing it!



2007-03-18 12:12 PM
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Get a spray on sunblock, it take like 15 seconds.

Also its an excuse to get some hot chick to rub you down at a race or something.
2007-03-18 12:47 PM
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USE SUNBLOCK. i really like bullfrog gel for me, and waterbabies or alba botanical for them. my children are so fair that they WILL burn, which causes damage. my husband also burns quite easily. we use the sublocks nearly every day spring to fall. we also have some solarweave clothing for the kids. there are wicking shirts made with spf in the fabric, or you can buy it to wash your clothes in so that you don't have to put sunscreen all over your body. cotton shirts don't block all uva/uvb rays.
2007-03-18 12:52 PM
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Ok, don't get me wrong, I DON'T want cancer. When I was a kid a boy in my class had it, and it seemed horrible. My point was that apparently the chemicals in some sunscreen can CAUSE cancer.
2007-03-18 1:59 PM
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ragingferret - 2007-03-18 10:52 AM

Ok, don't get me wrong, I DON'T want cancer. When I was a kid a boy in my class had it, and it seemed horrible. My point was that apparently the chemicals in some sunscreen can CAUSE cancer.


Okay, so who are you going to listen to? This one study that suggests that maybe sunscreen can possibly cause cancer under some circumstances, but more research is needed before they can draw conclusions? Or the consensus among the medical community that sunscreen is an effective tool against skin cancer?

Science is a process. Medical consensus is based on years of proven research. One study does not a consensus break; one study can prove just about anything, esp if the right people are paying for it. It's definitely something to be aware of, but until they're sure it does more harm than good, I'm wearing sunscreen (when I can remember, that is).
2007-03-18 2:11 PM
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Seen my little one go through cancer----Don't want to go there.


2007-03-18 2:12 PM
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I have vitiligo, which means I burn like a newborn baby. Not a delicate pink sunburn, I'm talking blistering ouchy nasty burn, just from taking a walk. I've worn harcore sunscreen every single day of my life since I was diagnosed when I was two. I also was a little skeptical of the chemicals. You know what I did? I bought a sunscreen without chemicals. Titanium dioxide and zinc oxide are much better sunblocks anyway, and they make them now so you don't have to sport the white nose of your lifeguarding youth.
Sunscreen costs money, its a pain to put on every day, and it rubs off and washes away. Then again, after a lifetime of putting on the stuff, my face seems to have stopped aging. Oh, and that whole not burning to death thing is great. Stop reading random articles. Read medical journals and scientific articles, the boring kind with lots of little numbers at the end of the sentences. Then question those, too. Then put on your sunscreen and go for a ride.
2007-03-18 2:41 PM
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yesterday as i they were holding me in the starting house counting down my time trial i thought to myself, no sunscreen or chapstick. this is gonna hurt. today, im feeling it. so, im pro sunscreen. and having a father in law with melanoma certainly helps my campaign.
2007-03-18 2:49 PM
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Come out to Southern California- spend a day training in the sun with me. You'll be PRO sunscreen really quick Seriously though you can even apply sunscreen in the shower. Why is it so difficult? Its as easy as wiping......
2007-03-18 6:18 PM
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jonathan22 - 2007-03-18 5:56 AM

So you believe everything you read?

Dude, wear sunscreen.


And use the stuff you spray on, so it's easy to apply multiple times.

You can even get travel sized containers of sunblock. Fits in a cycling jersey very easily.
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