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2007-03-20 10:25 AM

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Subject: critique my new position
I've been playing with my bike fit in order to improve it. I feel very comfortable and powerful on the new position. What do you guys think?



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2007-03-20 10:31 AM
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Bike's too yellow. Other than that, position looks fine, flat and aero.

Damn, you're a little bitty thang. What do you weigh, like 125?



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2007-03-20 10:33 AM
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Not that I know what I am talking about but I think it looks good.

Nice flat back.
Forearms are at 90 degree angle to upper arms.
Elbows are directly under shoulders.
Looks like you have plenty of knee - gut clearance. (i.e. not hitting yourself in the gut/diaprham with each pedal stroke)

I think it looks awesome.  If it is comfortable and you can generate the power you want I think you have got it!! 

Adios
Dave

2007-03-20 10:47 AM
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you couldn't get much more aero w/o looking like a yoga instructor...
2007-03-20 10:58 AM
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You look aero but your legs are too skinny
2007-03-20 11:04 AM
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Front end's too high ........ if you've got spacers in the headset/fork it's time to lose them and get DOWN ......

And seat needs to shift forward a bit.  You are basically on the rivet in the pics and in the second one if you drop a line from your left knee it is well behind your left foot's toes.  Means your seat position is off .......

But arms look good, and seat height looks good.



2007-03-20 11:11 AM
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Well, I don't see any spacers to remove or need to go lower in front.

BUT I can totally see Daremo's comment #2 about your knee being behind your toe.  Sliding the seat slightly forward should fix that. 

Nice riding position though, and you do look fast and powerful!

I didn't know you raced for Fast Splits...and I'll forgive it. 

Cheers, -Sunny

 

2007-03-20 11:48 AM
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How hard are you gripping your aero bars?  It looks like you're really tensed up in your hands.  I try to make sure my  hands can come off and it makes sure my weight is in my elbows and it relaxes my shoulders. 

Positions looks good though.  And you should drink while you're on the trainer.  Don't get dehydrated from that sun coming in the window.  :P

2007-03-20 12:00 PM
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I don't know about the need to move forward. If anything, the hip angle looks a little too open as it is. I think there are two issues with the knee/toe position: the pedal isn't at the bottom of the stroke (the crank isn't even in line with the seat tube) and (while this isn't ST) the seat may be a tad high. The heel is up a bit already and that leg looks awfully straight.

I'm self-taught when it comes to fit, so I'm by no means an expert, but the frame almost looks a bit big to me. Maybe it's just cause he's so skinny!
2007-03-20 12:16 PM
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dgunthert - 2007-03-20 1:00 PM I don't know about the need to move forward. If anything, the hip angle looks a little too open as it is.

That's because his bars are too high as I mentioned before ....

I thought about the seat height, but the more I looked at it, the more I felt it was okay.

2007-03-20 12:28 PM
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I'll assume these are "in action" shots, so that your foot position is as it would be when pedaling.

Which means that your seat does indeed look a bit high. Not jusdging from your heel position (mine is even higher, no matter how low I put my seat), but by the knee angle.

You could bring the front end down slightly. Also you could drop your chin down and forward a bit and bring your head more in line with your torso. Nitpicky thing, though.

Arms and shoulders look good. 5 mm or so on the saddle height (and at least that on the bars) might make a big difference. If there aren't spacers to remove, go with a negative rise stem.

Just my 1.5 cents.


2007-03-20 12:40 PM
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Lose the spaces up front as flexibility doesn’t appear to be an issue. Also move the seat a bit more forward on the rails. If you move forward a bit I would also say then you can come up just a bit too but you have to see what the power output does. Otherwise the position looks good.

Where is this picture taken? Can't you get some more light? Looks very dark and depressing.
2007-03-20 12:51 PM
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Haven't read the other reply's, so may be a duplicate:

Overall I think it looks ok, but I feel your seat is too high. Your hip angle is a bit open. If your flexibility allows, you could go lower in the front.

Also, you appear very tense in the shoulders, arms and hands.

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2007-03-20 12:54 PM
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My drop from seat to the aero bars is 13.5 cm on those picks. There are no spacers left to take off! My seat was originally 1/4 of an inch lower and I felt that my pedaling was somehow constricted hence I raised it up that much and moved the seat forward like 1/2cm. Originally the saddle was forward by 1 cm but when I did a couple of longish rides I felt my weight was totally on my aero bars, it just felt weird (maybe I just need to get used to it?). So I moved it back a bit. I've always felt that the bike is a tad bigger but I think it is because my road frame is so small! Finally the s bends are raise a tad (think of Landis but super light ) because it makes it comfortable for longer rides so that’s why it might appear they are higher than they really are…

Anyway, maybe I could get a reverse stem to go lower? But how much lower can I go without been hard to hold for 2+ hrs and been able to run? Ideas?  Oh and YES I super skinny mini right now, but I am working on getting some weight back. Still, the legs can generate a decent amount of power

2007-03-20 1:00 PM
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amiine - 2007-03-20 11:25 AM

I've been playing with my bike fit in order to improve it. I feel very comfortable and powerful on the new position. What do you guys think?


I will qualify this by saying I don't know what is the the exact way to be in the best aero position.

To me your helmet in realiation to your back looks GREAT! I too like a higher saddle than most maybe even higher than yours, I wonder if I am losing power.

You look very comfortable for what looks like a good aero position
2007-03-20 1:06 PM
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the bear - 2007-03-20 11:31 AM

Damn, you're a little bitty thang. What do you weigh, like 125?



Yeah, with the helmet!


2007-03-20 1:09 PM
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CptnJackSparrow - 2007-03-20 1:06 PM
the bear - 2007-03-20 11:31 AM

Damn, you're a little bitty thang. What do you weigh, like 125?

Yeah, with the helmet!
LOL! right now I am back to 135 pounds (5'7" height) but I want to get back to 137-138 my racing weight...
2007-03-20 1:19 PM
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AHhhh to dream about having your race weight heavier than your everyday weight.

Dave 

2007-03-20 2:33 PM
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"But how much lower can I go without been hard to hold for 2+ hrs and been able to run? Ideas?"

That would be an individual thing. Your hip angle is fairly open, which I don't think by itsel;f is a bad thing. It's that knee angle -- almost straight. First, whatever amount you DO drop the saddle, you'll want to drop the front end, AND THEN add more for bringing yourself down in front. A 13.5 CM drop isn't all that extreme. Looking at you, you could probably get at least another 1.5 cm without cramping up the hips. If you have neck issues, though, that would be your limiter.
2007-03-20 3:25 PM
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Subject: RE: critique my new position
Although it's hard to tell from pictures, my first reaction was that your seat is too high - your leg appears very straight at, or close to the bottom of your pedal stroke. Other than that, I think your position looks very solid - especially your helmet position. As such, and bearing in mind that you aren't super tall, I would try to keep your drop the same by dropping your seat and front end the same amount.

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2007-03-20 3:57 PM
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Your seat is too high.

And your blinds are messed up.  Wait, wrong board....



2007-03-20 4:03 PM
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Subject: RE: critique my new position

Not a critique....but just a question.

It looks to me that your leg is a little stretched out there. Would that mean that the seat is too high?

I see you've mentioned in your last post that you raised it a little. Was that more for comfort or did you see any power differences?

I also think your drop is plenty. 13.5 cm is pretty good for the events you focus on.

I love the helmet and it looks like it fits your back lines well.

 

2007-03-20 4:30 PM
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http://www.sissel-online.com/exercise/yoga_plow.php

 Here is an exercise/stretch you can work on, then drop the bars and be a bit more aero!

2007-03-20 5:57 PM
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If you compare your saddle height and amount of leg bend with a group of Euro pros, then yeah it does look too high.  But those guys are fast spinners, always on the attack.  Riding in a triathlon, especially an Oly (since I know Jorge is not doing an Ironman), and you're essentially a time trialist.  Look at pictures of Miguel Indurain, Abraham Olano, Sergei Gonchar, etc.  They don't ride with the same saddle position of someone like Jens Voigt.  I'd go with your feel and testing.  If you're faster in that position, then who's to say it's not right for you? 

 

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