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2004-09-08 8:43 AM

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Subject: Bike Speed Drills
For you cyclists out there, what are your favorite speed or climbing drills? This is the discipline I enjoy the most of the 3 and I want to excel at climbing and flat-land speed on the bike. What would you recommend to someone who wants to be a hill killer someday?


2004-09-08 9:14 AM
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Subject: RE: Bike Speed Drills
Ride Lots.
2004-09-08 9:48 AM
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Subject: RE: Bike Speed Drills
Step 1) Mortgage your house for the lightest bike known to mankind
Step 2) Undergo Extreme Plastic Surgery in order to optimise your power to weight ratio
Step 3) Shake your head and go "WTF? I'll just stick to riding lots of hill."

If I have an E3 ride for 1:30, I'll ride up the same hill 3 times - and then have fun on the downhill section. I haven't found a better way to improve my performance on hills other than riding lots of hills.

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2004-09-08 9:52 AM
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i.e., Ride Lots!
2004-09-08 12:38 PM
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Yep, what bear said

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2004-09-08 12:46 PM
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Subject: RE: Bike Speed Drills
the bear - 2004-09-08 6:52 AM

i.e., Ride Lots!


of hills... or does that go without saying?


2004-09-08 3:21 PM
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Ride intervals

Cruise intervals - find a flatish course and ride 2-5 min of all out, red haze over eyes, almost puke, throw-down fast as you can go. 1-1.5 min rest and do it again.. Two things count in this drill 1. hold or increase your speed the whole time, never back down. 2. finishing the repeat. Try for one set 3-5 reps twice a week

Over-gear hil repeats

Climb a familiar, short hill in a gear that's a little bit too hard. You will be at a "not ideal" cadence. This drill trades smoothness for strength. Eventually, you will be able to climb in a higher, faster gear. Be careful with these as too high a gear, or too long a hill can hurt your knees

2004-09-08 3:24 PM
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Gee, I wish I'd thought of that....you guys all have a masterful grasp of the obvious (kinda' like me). I was thinking more of things like one-legged drills, repeats, etc. C'mon, Bear, you're a riding coach, aren't you? Or, are you just a sheep in bear's clothing? By the way, I thought bears sat down to pee.

I did purchase a Fluid trainer a few weeks ago and finally got it set up today (still raining here in Atlanta). I tried one of the Spinnerval DVD's (the first one) and boy, oh boy, did it ever kick my sweet li'l a$$.

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2004-09-08 3:26 PM
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ride_like_u_stole_it - 2004-09-08 3:21 PM

Ride intervals

Cruise intervals - find a flatish course and ride 2-5 min of all out, red haze over eyes, almost puke, throw-down fast as you can go. 1-1.5 min rest and do it again.. Two things count in this drill 1. hold or increase your speed the whole time, never back down. 2. finishing the repeat. Try for one set 3-5 reps twice a week

Over-gear hil repeats

Climb a familiar, short hill in a gear that's a little bit too hard. You will be at a "not ideal" cadence. This drill trades smoothness for strength. Eventually, you will be able to climb in a higher, faster gear. Be careful with these as too high a gear, or too long a hill can hurt your knees



Finally, someone steps forward with some constructive advice...thanks, Dave. I particularly like the over-gear hill repeats, that looks interesting and painful.

Edited by Motivated 2004-09-08 3:27 PM
2004-09-08 4:18 PM
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Subject: try it on a fixed-gear

for real, old-fashioned pain-stuffed cold-weather enjoyment just like grandpa used to make.

(back before he discovered hyphens)

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2004-09-09 5:07 AM
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ride_like_u_stole_it - 2004-09-08 8:21 PM

Ride intervals

Cruise intervals - find a flatish course and ride 2-5 min of all out, red haze over eyes, almost puke, throw-down fast as you can go. 1-1.5 min rest and do it again.. Two things count in this drill 1. hold or increase your speed the whole time, never back down. 2. finishing the repeat. Try for one set 3-5 reps twice a week




Interval training is my favourite training. It give you quite a buzz :-)

Just to add to your comments.

Obviously if you want to improve your cycling it helps to cycle but I think for this type of endurance training it doesn’t necessarily have to be done on a bike. Like ride_like_u_stole_it says you should go flat out for the 2min interval. I find this difficult and quite dangerous to do on the roads, unless you are lucky enough to live on a long very quiet road.

Personally I prefer the running track doing 800m intervals. This has the advantage of you don’t need to worry about traffic or watching the time just go for it. Also I find it really motivating to record the time for each interval and see if I’m improving over the weeks.

You should pick a rest period you feel comfortable with. Maybe start out with 2-3 mins and reduce it as you get more practice. The benefit comes from the intensity of the interval. It actually reduces the benefit to run a slower interval because you’re still recovering from the last.

Edited by John_0026 2004-09-09 5:09 AM


2004-09-09 5:42 AM
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Why do you ask for advice if you're going to make light of the advice you receive? You're certainly not going to get a lot of future help questioning the credentials of the people you're asking advice from.

I looked at your logs, you have upped your mileage in recent weeks, but prior to that you were riding 30-50 mpw. If you want to ride faster, to climb with more power, I'm going to stand by my original advice. It's not glamorous, it's not sexy, but you have to first build your base. Put in the miles, ride the hills, RIDE LOTS. There's no magic formula, no special drill that will substitute.

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2004-09-09 6:33 AM
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the bear - 2004-09-09 10:42 AM

If you want to ride faster, to climb with more power, I'm going to stand by my original advice. It's not glamorous, it's not sexy, but you have to first build your base. Put in the miles, ride the hills, RIDE LOTS. There's no magic formula, no special drill that will substitute.


Hehe you sound like my Dad. He is always telling me you can't get better without putting in the miles :-)

You are right there are no drills to subsitute this but drill can compliment it. Once you have your base you should mix in some drills/intervals with your training.
2004-09-09 6:53 AM
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Subject: RE: Bike Speed Drills
If you're going to do hill workouts with over-gear repeats, my only suggestion would be to spend the first 20 minutes of your ride spinning at a high cadence to get your legs and lungs ready for a tough workout. When I do hill repeats, I don't care about time or cadence, but just as you heard earlier, stay in a gear that makes you work about as hard as you can. Essentially it's like doing a leg workout with weights with low weight and high reps. Make sure you space out the hill routines. If you don't let your legs rest - at least in the beginning - you'll be fighting fatigue and will learn to hate the workout. Good luck.
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