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2007-05-26 1:12 PM
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Subject: RE: bike lots = win, swim lots = ??
danCC - 2007-05-24 3:26 PM

I've read a lot on this website saying you need to ride a lot to get faster. I have personal experience with this and know it to be true. (the same thing is true for running imo). Does this philosophy apply to swimming? I'm a slow swimmer who gets lapped by fat guys and little kids. I swim 2-3 times a week regularly. If I swim tons will I get faster? And by tons i mean LSD. This is sans drills/etc. Getting a coach would be hard atm, reading some book/watching some video would only confuse me.
btw im a good runner/biker


I would say our situations are similar. I've been cycyling many years and used to run before I got into cycling. Swimming...not so much. My early efforts were humbling, to say the least. I considered myself to be in good shape, and an above average athlete for my age (46). But I could barely manage 25m without feeling exhausted. My intial swim sessions were 500m- 25m at a time. And I was embarrassingly slow. I don't mind saying I can ride a bike pretty well, but my inability to get this swimming was very defeating. Initially, I was honestly doubting I could complete a 500m pool swim in a sprint... ever. I had to get better or stick with biking (giveup). Not wanting to throw in the towel quite yet, and being fairly obsessive, I decided I needed to research and educate myself. I read books and articles, spend hours reading swimming threads on this forum, Slowtwitch & Trinewbies, got the TI book and DVD...and of course, continued to swim.

I don't have a coach, and I don't do many drills, per say. I started to use a pull bouy and paddles to take some of the variables out (specifically, my worthless kick and legs that sank like a rock). I focused on the feel of the water, on balance and breathing and stroke mechanics and over time I felt more comfortable. I would read, and re-read, watch other swimmers at the pool, watch clips of the great swimmers (Phelps, Thorp, and that Russian guy). And I continued to swim often, not lots of yards, but 3-5 times each week. I started to look forward to my swimming...I still sucked and was terrible slow, but was excited to work on improving. I would even lay awake at night analyzing the swim workout and make notes to myself. Gradually, I increased the distance I am able to swim with that amazing feeling of slipping through the water. When I loose that feeling, it's time for a rest and then start another set. If I've learned anything, it's fighting the water is not going to get me anywhere. I can't muscle my way though it and I can't just suffer through it like on the bike.

Fast forward. I have been swimming almost two months, and will complete a 500m swim in my first Sprint Tri in 2 weeks. I've done it in practice and know I can do it when it counts. I will complete the swim. The last 200 may be a bit rough, but I accept that. And then I will continue to swim as much as I can and will continue to improve. I am far, far from being fast in the water but have come a very long way-25m at a time.

For me, the path to better swimming is work on the stroke and swim alot. Alot will eventually be many 1000's meters, until then its as often as possible.

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2007-05-28 2:26 PM
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MikeTheBear - 2007-05-25 4:01 PM

How long did the 5K take you? That's a little on the insane side.



Agree conditionally -- I don't see too much point in a lot of 5K straight swims. However I've done a fair number of 4K workouts, which would have struck me as insane a couple of years ago -- now it's just a tough workout.
2007-05-28 2:44 PM
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the point of the 5k swim so you can do the 5k race in september.
2007-05-28 2:49 PM
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It's all good -- no disrespect intended -- I've done several 2100 yard swims this spring just because that's the 1/2 IM distance.
2007-05-28 5:48 PM
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Subject: RE: bike lots = win, swim lots = ??
In my experience being a new swimmer as of last year I was swimming around 4,000 yds/ week. Since January I got 2 one on one lessons and started swimming 9,000 yrds plus a week and my OLY swim time last September was 35 min and as of last week it was a 28 min in the same lake same conditions. Plus I have learned to swim straight. I agree with JeepFleeb that to be competitive you have to be a strong swimmer. Last race I finished fourth in th AG and I had a faster run and bike then all but one, but my swim was 4 min too long and costed me a place.
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