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2007-09-13 10:18 AM

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Subject: Traffic ticket while riding bike???
Has anyone received a traffic ticket on a bike for rolling through a stop sign? I believe the cops in the town adjoining ours are targeting cyclists, and while the situation I present to you technically put the cyclist in the wrong, I believe the cops are being a bit excessive.

The Dallas metro area largely has limited cycling terrain since it is interconnected by highways, however I am lucky enough to live on the edge of some farm/ranch roads that provide for some excellent riding. So, this is where I ride, and I especially like it due to lack of traffic. There are a few stop signs, and typically what I do is slow down, look for oncoming traffic, if no one is coming I start pedaling, thus rolling through a stop sign. With clip-ins it is very hard to justify stopping at the stop sign. Technically this is against the law, but lets be reasonable. Would one really expect cyclists to come to a complete stop at these signals?

I got a warning for this, and my friend just got a ticket (failure to stop). I have heard that others in the community have received tickets as well (although I do not know their specific situation). Thoughts anyone? Does it sound to you like this town needs a little padding on their tax base and is targeting cyclists? The cop who gave my friend a ticket mentioned that the town residents have voiced complaints about cyclists. For those that have been in this situation, has anyone successfully negotiated their way out of the ticket? Now bigger picture, how would one convince a town otherwise that cyclists really are not a menace.


2007-09-13 10:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Traffic ticket while riding bike???
I've heard of this happening, and technically the cops are completely in their right to give out the ticket.

I've had the opposite experience with police in our area. We've had a couple officers approach us at rest stops and ask us if anybody had been giving us a hard time and if anybody does to get the liscence plate number and they'll take care of it.

I just don't understand why so many people have it out for cyclists.
2007-09-13 10:26 AM
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Not sure why you would expect favorable treatment for breaking the law on a bicycle. Don't you want the same rights as a motor vehicle? Why should you expect not to have the same responsibilities, not to obey the same laws?
2007-09-13 10:37 AM
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Subject: RE: Traffic ticket while riding bike???
If you want to convince the people in the town that cyclists aren't a menace, don't break the laws and be polite.  I think it really bothers motorists and other non-cyclists when cyclists run red lights/stop signs.  You're supposed to follow the same set of laws.
2007-09-13 10:40 AM
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Subject: RE: Traffic ticket while riding bike???

I will also say that the law is the law.  I haven't gotten one yet, and if I do, I'll deal with it.  Actually, that will be interesting since in IL they take away your license if it is a moving violation in an automobile.  What will they take from me on my bike, my USAT card?

Anyway, that being said, they obviously have waaaaaaayyyy too much time on their hands to be handing out tickets to cyclists. 

2007-09-13 10:41 AM
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I know someone who got pulled over for doing 30 in a 25 when on his bike. Fortunately, the cop let him off with a warning.

LOL - I once had a cop pull me over just to let me know he clocked me doing 21 and that he thought it was pretty cool I could go that fast and that I should keep up the good work. However, I didn't point out to him that the fastest I traveled when passing him and while he was behind me was 19 mph. Obviously, his radar was off!



2007-09-13 10:51 AM
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I would think it the coolest thing ever to get a speeding ticket on my bike!

I do agree though, that if it is equal rights on the road we are after, blowing through stop signs is not in the best interest of the sport. I f we are rolling through stop signs we deserve a ticket.

It really is not the end of the world to stop.

2007-09-13 10:51 AM
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I sounds like you don't want to unclip. Learning how to track stand for a short period of time will fix this problem. A little advise, unclip when learning. Use your front brake to apply the back pressure since I assume you don't train using a fixed gear. Learning to track stand will also help make you more comfortable on the bike at low speeds and improve your bike handling skills.
2007-09-13 10:55 AM
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The law is the law and if you are racing to get through the sign before car gets there so you don't have to slow down then a ticket is definately warranted.  If you are approaching a stopsign/light and there are no visible cars and get a ticket it is just ridiculous.    I understand cyclist are suppose to follow the same rules as other vehicles on the road but I think in some cases this is just a cop on a power trip similiar to the one they showed on CNN yesterday who got video taped making up infractions for some kids.  I think there is also a difference between running (no intentions of stopping/slowing) and rolling (slow down check for traffice and proceed).

 Anyways, the law is the law and if I ever get a ticket for rolling a top sign I will pay it. 

If you get a ticket will your car insurance go up????

2007-09-13 10:56 AM
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Subject: RE: Traffic ticket while riding bike???
As far as I know, laws in many states stated that a bicycle on the road is considered a vehicle, like any car, truck, or SUV.  A cyclist should obey the traffic rule like a car driver does. 
2007-09-13 10:59 AM
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Subject: RE: Traffic ticket while riding bike???
There is a little town on one of my routes where the cops do just this. The town is a cycling destination on the weekends as there are few cars, and lots of pretty things to look at. Just a reminder, that on the road, you follow the rules. No exceptions.



2007-09-13 11:00 AM
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Subject: RE: Traffic ticket while riding bike???
I've never heard of that happening but I have to agree with the other posts that it is within the rights of the police to do that since bikes are to obey the traffic laws.  I'm not crazy about the full stop and clipping in/out at signs either, but if that's what the law says I guess I better get in the habit of doing it (just hate to break momentum on a good ride)
2007-09-13 11:08 AM
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ryanm_james - 2007-09-13 10:18 AM Has anyone received a traffic ticket on a bike for rolling through a stop sign? I believe the cops in the town adjoining ours are targeting cyclists,......

Ryanm_james, I'm in Lewisville (neighboring city) and haven't seen anything. however, I have to admit I do run signs when no cars are around, or when no cars are at a four way stop with me. I guess I need to rethink what I'm doing. The last thing I want is to get angry cars passing me.

2007-09-13 11:09 AM
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Subject: RE: Traffic ticket while riding bike???
D.K. - 2007-09-13 10:56 AM

As far as I know, laws in many states stated that a bicycle on the road is considered a vehicle, like any car, truck, or SUV.  A cyclist should obey the traffic rule like a car driver does. 


OK, I know the law is the law and I'm glad that we're treated as vehicles and not as pedestrians. However, to play devil's advocate for a minute:

Are we really considered a vehicle like any other car, truck or SUV? Go ahead and ride down the road in the middle of the lane like any other car. Would you do that? I know I don't. Not only is that dangerous, but it blocks traffic and makes no sense. If I'm just like any other vehicle, should I do so just because I can?

On the flip side, we ride on the shoulder of the road because common sense dicates that we do so and because we're being courteous to traffic. So if we're at a stop sign in the middle of nowhere and there are no cars around, I have no problem using common sense and carefully rolling through the stop sign. I'm taking my chances with a ticket, but I don't think I'm doing anything wrong.

Fact is, cyclists don't fit into either category(vehicle or pedestrian)
2007-09-13 11:19 AM
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OrbeaMan - 2007-09-13 11:09 AM
D.K. - 2007-09-13 10:56 AM As far as I know, laws in many states stated that a bicycle on the road is considered a vehicle, like any car, truck, or SUV.  A cyclist should obey the traffic rule like a car driver does. 
OK, I know the law is the law and I'm glad that we're treated as vehicles and not as pedestrians. However, to play devil's advocate for a minute: Are we really considered a vehicle like any other car, truck or SUV? Go ahead and ride down the road in the middle of the lane like any other car. Would you do that? I know I don't. Not only is that dangerous, but it blocks traffic and makes no sense. If I'm just like any other vehicle, should I do so just because I can? On the flip side, we ride on the shoulder of the road because common sense dicates that we do so and because we're being courteous to traffic. So if we're at a stop sign in the middle of nowhere and there are no cars around, I have no problem using common sense and carefully rolling through the stop sign. I'm taking my chances with a ticket, but I don't think I'm doing anything wrong. Fact is, cyclists don't fit into either category(vehicle or pedestrian)

The law in this state (and I'm sure many others) reads:

Every person operating a bicycle upon a roadway shall ride as near to the right side of the roadway as practicable, exercising due care when passing a standing vehicle or one proceeding in the same direction.

to me that negates your whole argument, as there are specific laws "forbidding" the action you describe. There are no such specifics regarding stop signs.

I do not ride on the shoulder, as you say we do, because of the prevalence of trash there, the lack of maintenance to the shoulder, and because it lessens your visibility. For the most part, I ride a foot or two to the left of the white line.



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2007-09-13 11:22 AM
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The applicable Texas statute:

Sec. 551.103. Operation on Roadway.

(a) Except as provided by Subsection (b), a person operating a bicycle on a roadway who is moving slower than the other traffic on the roadway shall ride as near as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway, unless:   (1) the person is passing another vehicle moving in the same direction; (2) the person is preparing to turn left at an intersection or onto a private road or driveway; or (3) a condition on or of the roadway, including a fixed or moving object, parked or moving vehicle, pedestrian, animal, or surface hazard prevents the person from safely riding next to the right curb or edge of the roadway. (4) the person is operating a bicycle in an outside lane that is: (A) less than 14 feet in width and does not have a designated bicycle lane adjacent to that lane; or

(B) too narrow for a bicycle and a motor vehicle to safely travel side by side.



2007-09-13 11:23 AM
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Subject: RE: Traffic ticket while riding bike???
You're right. Then again, if there are specific laws regulating what bicycles can do, there could be laws allowing them to do other things they currently aren't allowed to.

I obviously don't know the laws pertaining to this very well, but it seems that common sense gets lost somewhere along the way.
2007-09-13 11:24 AM
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the bear - 2007-09-13 11:26 AM

Not sure why you would expect favorable treatment for breaking the law on a bicycle. Don't you want the same rights as a motor vehicle? Why should you expect not to have the same responsibilities, not to obey the same laws?


Bear -

I agree with you - though I have at least 2 stop lights on my 25 mile commute to work that I can not set off, as they are not on a timer. I can either wait a long time for a car to come along to set it off, run the light when no cars comes along, or turn right, ride about a mile to where the barrier stops so I can do a u-turn so I can get back to where I need to go - no cross walk/cross walk signal.

If you don't want me to run the red light, make it so I can change the light.

I have had to resort to carrying a camera flash bulb in the past to trigger a light via the emergency vehicle strobe sensor.
2007-09-13 11:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Traffic ticket while riding bike???
the bear - 2007-09-13 11:22 AM

The applicable Texas statute:

Sec. 551.103. Operation on Roadway.

(a) Except as provided by Subsection (b), a person operating a bicycle on a roadway who is moving slower than the other traffic on the roadway shall ride as near as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway, unless:   (1) the person is passing another vehicle moving in the same direction; (2) the person is preparing to turn left at an intersection or onto a private road or driveway; or (3) a condition on or of the roadway, including a fixed or moving object, parked or moving vehicle, pedestrian, animal, or surface hazard prevents the person from safely riding next to the right curb or edge of the roadway. (4) the person is operating a bicycle in an outside lane that is: (A) less than 14 feet in width and does not have a designated bicycle lane adjacent to that lane; or

(B) too narrow for a bicycle and a motor vehicle to safely travel side by side.



Thanks. That's very helpful info.
2007-09-13 11:28 AM
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tjtryon - 2007-09-13 11:24 AM  If you don't want me to run the red light, make it so I can change the light.

I have no preference or say so in the matter. We all have to choose whether or not we are going to obey the letter and/or the spirit of the laws. Just don't expect to get favorable treatment, or to use being on a bicycle as a defense against a ticket.

2007-09-13 11:29 AM
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I do not expect to be treated like a car on the road. Honestly, I am not a motor vehicle, and I do not want others to treat me like one. Instead, I want them to treat me like who I am... a PERSON on a bicycle. I think many people in cars forget that we are PEOPLE and only see us as a BIKE.

This being said, I think it is important to obey both the laws of both vehicles and pedestrians, since we are a hybrid of the two. If I drove my car like I ride my bike, Id surely get pulled over. Similarly, if I rode my bike like I drive my car, Id probably off the entire population of St. Louis. I dont think we can ask, nor do we actually want the exact same rights and responsibilities as motor vehicles.

Motorists expect us to ride close to the shoulder, and take up as little lane space as possible. In return for me giving up some comfort and safety by riding the edge, I expect some leeway in the laws regarding stop signs. Etc... I think we need to look to see what the traffic laws were designed to do, and enforce them for that. Safety. Is it safe that I slow down and make a rolling stop through an intersection where there are clearly no other cars around? I think so. Giving tickets for this reason is ludicrous.

If I got a ticket for speeding on my bike I may be even more pissed. Although, it would be somewhat humorous as well.



2007-09-13 11:33 AM
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ranger5oh - 2007-09-13 11:29 AM I do not expect to be treated like a car on the road. Honestly, I am not a motor vehicle, and I do not want others to treat me like one. 

I dont think we can ask, nor do we actually want the exact same rights and responsibilities as motor vehicles. 

You (not "we" ) are certainly in the minority among the cyclists, cycling advocates, and lawmakers that I come into contact with. Personally, I DEMAND to be treated as a vehicle. Still, regardless of what you think, the laws in most states say otherwise.



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2007-09-13 11:36 AM
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Subject: RE: Traffic ticket while riding bike???
When I do long rides on Sunday morning the normally busy roads are almost empty. There are stop lights at every intersection, one mile apart on my normal route (Phoenix roads are mostly aligned in a grid). If there are no cars coming I usually ride through a red light. I've never been hassled by drivers or the police. And sometimes when I drive in my car I even go a little over the speed limit, too. I guess I am just a scofflaw...
2007-09-13 11:39 AM
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aztriguy - 2007-09-13 11:36 AM When I do long rides on Sunday morning the normally busy roads are almost empty. There are stop lights at every intersection, one mile apart on my normal route (Phoenix roads are mostly aligned in a grid). If there are no cars coming I usually ride through a red light. I've never been hassled by drivers or the police. And sometimes when I drive in my car I even go a little over the speed limit, too. I guess I am just a scofflaw...

But if you got a ticket, would you expect to get out of it because "common sense" superceded the law?

I'm not saying I, or anyone else, needs to stay within every law on the book. Just be prepared to suffer the consequences when and if you get caught.

2007-09-13 11:46 AM
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ryanm_james - 2007-09-13 10:18 AM Has anyone received a traffic ticket on a bike for rolling through a stop sign? ...

No, but I had a scenario almost 20 years when I was in college.  I was going to summer school on my bike.  I came out of the alley behind my house, and instead of going straight, decided to bike at a slight angle to the right cutting across the one-way street (no traffic coming, but that shouldn't matter anyways), 1/2 block from Water Street in Eau Claire, WI (the street where everyone hangs out and where almost all the bars are located).  There was a cop across the street already ticketing someone, saw me across the street when I already crossed the one-way and was riding on the sidewalk, and waved me over.  Being a polite guy, I did.

He informed me that I was going the wrong way on a one-way street and gave me a ticket.  I could have fought it, but went to the court date and pleaded no contest to pay the stupid fine.

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