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2007-10-08 2:09 PM

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Subject: How big is too big?
Nope, this isnt meant to be in cup o joe!  With the Chicago mary debacle yesterday and a bad experience in Vegas' mary with around 15k peeps last year, I think my personal limit on what is manageable/desired may be around 3000 tops, a BQ being the exception.  What is your limit for size of a race before you are concerned/annoyed with numbers? 


2007-10-08 2:19 PM
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Subject: RE: How big is too big?

I myself have started to lean more toward the smaller races.  Last year I ran the RNR 1/2 in VA Beach and just got sick of all the people.  I thougth it was overpriced and I was paying more for the name/race organization more than anything else.  Apparently they ran out of wet towels at the finish and were re-using the ones that had been thrown down- how awful is that?  I didn't even want to fight my way to post race food tent so I skipped out on the food.  I think for larger events you have to definitely be more patient and not expect things to run as smoothly and be prepared for anything to happen.

I've found that there are some really good smaller races to run.  I ran the Flying Pig Marathon back in May and it was awesome- had wonderful crowd support and aid stations every mile that were fully stocked.  It was well organized- I couldn't have asked for a better race.  Next month I'm running the Richmond Marathon.  It's a smaller race, but the entry fee is extremely reasonable (as was the Pig) and I've heard good things about it.  There's so many smaller races out there that seem to offer more with a cheaper registration fee.  I am really liking the smaller races so far!  I like to stick to races around 3,000 runners- definitely not more than 5,000.

2007-10-08 2:25 PM
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Subject: RE: How big is too big?
I don't personally think it matters. If you don't like the slow starts, then move closer to the start line. The ankle chips will give you the real time anyway. A lot of people do marathons just for fun anyway. The more people the better!
2007-10-08 2:27 PM
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Subject: RE: How big is too big?
I generally prefer smaller races, but my number depends on the type of race. My comfort zone for a tri is MUCH smaller than a road race.
2007-10-08 2:39 PM
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Subject: RE: How big is too big?
I did the Chicago Accenture Triathlon this year and it was enormous, supposedly the biggest tri in the world. I thought it was great and the amount of people didn't bother me at all. I did the Shamrock Shuffle 8K with around 23,000 of my closest friends, and that was great too. Both events had plenty of water, sport drink and volunteers.

I did a 9.5 mile run in the Chicago suburbs last September, and they ran out of water at one station and gatorade at another. It was still a good race, but I no longer trust smaller races and carry my own drinks. I have actually found the bigger races are better at keeping supplies stocked, although the reports from Chicago's debacle yesterday are making me suspect about anything.

In short, I don't care if there are 100,000 people in the race IF there are enough bathrooms, water, volunteers, and medical personnel.
2007-10-08 2:44 PM
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Subject: RE: How big is too big?

Yes, the numbers in a tri don't come close to the numbers in even a medium sized running race.  My biggest AG experience in a tri was around 300 people.  In Boston I started with around 10,000 other people in the first wave.  Another 10,000 in the second a half hour later.  We did not have any real clear running room to set your own pace until well into the second mile.

I think that in a tri the more you have the worse it gets on the bike.  You can have a washing machine with only 200 people on the swim, at least for a little while.  But 2,000 people on the same bike course, especially if it is a multiple lap course, leads to issues.

For a seeded running race if you are really concerned about getting stuck behind slower people, then it is your own obligation and need to qualify to get into a faster corral to avoid the "masses."



2007-10-08 2:45 PM
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Subject: RE: How big is too big?

The smaller, the better.

Some venues just can't handle large crowds.  City streets get narrow (at least here in Philly they do), which causes unavoidable issues.  If you're talking a trail run, then crowd size is DEFINITELY an issue.

I've done a few races recently where the crowd was not conducive to a good race.  I read the comment about starting further up.  This plan does not always work, as there is a corral system in place.  Additionally, when everyone is trying to start closer to the start, it tends to screw things up. 

2007-10-08 2:51 PM
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Subject: RE: How big is too big?
Length of race can be a factor in how things go...I've done a 10K and a 5 mile with ~10,000 entrants and those were fine with large fields (once I got out of the pack) because it isn't going to kill anyone if aid stations are lacking or undersupplied. Also, those races allowed and encouraged self-seeding, so you could position yourself near the front if you thought you were going to be frustrated fighting through the pack.

I've also done a couple of huge all-comers races (LA Marathon and Bay to Breakers) with well over 20K runners and they had seeded corrals based on documented prior times, so a decent runner moving up in distance was probably going to be stuck MOP, like it or not. I enjoyed Bay to Breakers, but it was on the edge of unsafe...I ended up running on sidewalks and dodging spectators for the first two miles (incl. Hayes St hill) because too many thousands of casual participants (some of them clearly having been drinking) placed themselves at the front of the "open" corral.

As far as tris go--I have to say I enjoyed the Malibu tri at around 3000 participants. I don't know how much I'd have liked it at 10,000...
2007-10-08 3:30 PM
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My personal choice for Triathlons is in the 2-500 paticipatant range. They are large enough to be well supported, but small enough not to have a lot of issues. In he mid-west I can find well run srint, Oly, and HIM triathlons arond this size most any weekend during the season. The entry fees are much less thenn some of the the high profile TRIs with thousands of people. It is less hassle and a lot more fun.
2007-10-08 4:19 PM
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Subject: RE: How big is too big?
I have never raced with more than 2000 so it would be hard to say from experience how I felt about larger races.  I would like to do something with 10k plus, just for fun.
2007-10-08 7:46 PM
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Subject: RE: How big is too big?
well it depends for me. I am slower so its nice to have company and its nice to actually beat people. So for the most part I like bigger races. When your all alone for hours its hard.

Though its fun running people down when you come up on someone when you not seen anyone for 30 mins.

tris though bike course can be a real issue and I rather not have too many people around me. epsically on hairpin turns.

Chicago shown that a bigger race has to been more perpared because when things go wrong they really go wrong. At the cost of the race they really should have good backup plans.


2007-10-08 8:57 PM
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Subject: RE: How big is too big?
I like the small races more. I think once it gets much bigger than a couple of thousand everything goes downhill. The volunteers at aid stations just can't keep up if they have that many people coming past and it also becomes much harder to provide adequate medical care to anyone who needs it.
2007-10-08 9:00 PM
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Subject: RE: How big is too big?
I've run Chicago with 40,000 and Boston with over 20,000 and I've run Marathon to Marathon and Skagit Flats both with less than 150 people and another dozen in between.

For me I like both. The excitement and emotion of Chicago and Boston is great but showing up to see a small parking lot full of cars and a small field is a great site also.
2007-10-08 11:53 PM
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Subject: RE: How big is too big?
Every year my wife and I do the Corporate Cup [for the past 3 years anyway, it's what started it all for us!] and there are usually 10- to 12,000 participants. I don't think that's too many for that particular race, but RD planning and the actual distance of the race might be factors worth considering. I haven't done a tri with even 200 people yet so I don't know what that's like. I know a 2-food sidewalk with a 90-degree turn is dangerous with anything more than one person [see: Papillion tri]. As for my half and full marathons they each had just under a thousand people and it got really lonely out there on the course each time.
2007-10-09 1:04 AM
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Subject: RE: How big is too big?
I did the Bay to Breakers (a 12K)back in the late 80s (1987 and 1988) a few times when it had in excess of 100,000 people and got into the Ginness Book of World Records. The first year it took us about 45 minutes to get to the starting line but man that was one of the funnest races I've ever been to. The next year we got there way early and actually got to race it, it was still fun but you had to wait for all the interesting folks to arrive in Golden Gate Park tillit got interesting. And BTW they didn't runout of food or water.

But a lot depends on the course (Is the area big enough to accomidate a large field) for example the Revolutionary Run at Valley Forge Park only had 700 people but given the narrow roads and trails that was way too much, whereas the Philly Distance Run and the Broad Street Run has in excess of 10,000 but on the course that is managable due to the size of the roads and support crews and transportation schemes.
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