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2007-11-25 1:45 AM

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Subject: At a bike cross road
I need some opinions. Last season was my first official tri season and I got a gently used Giant OCR1 road bike with ultegra components and basic tires. Great bike, but I found it too big as a mens medium frame. I did a few olys with it and a century ride and I wanted someone to shoot me after the century because of all the pain I was in.

I went in to get fitted today and see if I could maybe get a setback post to help with the distance in the top tube. I can't. The seat post is perfectly alligned for me, its the top tube thats just too long and my stem is the shortest I can get it.

SO I'm back to the drawing board. My questions:

Do I go back to road bike shopping or tri bike shopping-and if tri bikes what are some reputable brands I should start looking with on a budget? Its possible I may want to do a century again in the future, but on the whole I do tris and I'm training for a HIM this coming year. I spin all the time and I do so in the aero position the whole class without problems.

Should I swap the entire bike or just the frame?

Is it better to have a bike thats a tad too small or a tad too big?

Okay, I appreciate any responses, I'm so clueless to all of this still.



2007-11-25 8:55 AM
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In a way, I think you've answered your question and want validation. From your post, it seems you're interested in a Tri bike and not much else. Buy what YOU want; ignore the rhetoric "road bike, group rides, versatility, yada, yada". If you want a tri specific bike, buy it.

You're way ahead of the beginner's barrier in that you know that fit is your first concern: Good. Sometimes that lesson isn't heeded. Your Giant purchase seemed as though you knew it wouldn't be perfect and now you know the limitations of correcting a mis-fit frame size.

You ask about frame only and swapping components? In your case, I wouldn't. Your giant is "gently used" and you've added to that. I wouldn't expect that component group to be in excellent condition. Also, the cheapset way to buy new components is on a bike fram as a whole bike. Hence, you'd have a marignal increase in cost buy purchasing a whole bike rather than grabbing good stuff from your current bike and building up a frame.

I think that when you get into centimeter sizing and traditional geometry, you might find sizes of frames to be more suitable instead of "medium". I'm not a believer in compact geometry being well suited for sizing and feel it's a marketing cop-out from manufacturers to make only 4 sizes instead of 6-7. It's always a compromize of choices.

Try an on-line fit from www.wrenchscience.com or coloradocyclist.com and see what your ideal frame dimensions would be. Is top tube length much more important than stand over height? Sounds like you might be short waisted and need a shorter top tube? WSD are set up this way and that might be a good choice?

"Brands" of bikes isn't really what should concern you; they're really very similar. Ask around and find a good shop and their road fit specialist. It really takes some experience and someone who knows fit is hard to find in every shop and, really, never is the first person who waits on you when you walk in the door.

Good luck. Winter is at least a slow time in the bike business and you'll have the luxury of service versus that first warm day in spring. Maybe wait until January after the holiday rush?
2007-11-25 9:10 AM
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Road bike or Triathlon bike?  Depends on your priorities.  If you prefer road riding as opposed to triathlon then a road bike is a probably the best option.  A road bike is more practical in the sense that you can make adjustments to improve its "usability" in the sport of triathlon (install clip-on aero bars, lower stem, adjust saddle).  The speed benefits you'd get from a Tri specific bike are very minimal.

Buy new bike or just frame?  In most cases it is much cheaper to buy a new bike than it is to build one from the frame up.  On the other hand, if you already have a good parts group then building one may be a good option IF you find a good deal on a frame & fork.  If you chose this option make sure you know what frame size you need otherwise you're back to square one with a mis-sized bike. 

Better to have a bike too small or too large?  Neither is ideal, but its typically easier to fit someone to a bike that's too big than it is to one that's too small, but you already know that a bike that's too large is uncomfortable and there's a limit to what you can do to adjust it to fit.  If you're going to be riding for years to come then it's important that you get a bike that fits perfectly.  You wouldn't settle for a pair of running shoes that were too small or too big, would you?

Brands?  Pretty much all of the big name companies are the same as far as quality are concerned.  Some offer better "bang for the buck", like Felt or QR.  Felt has a great reputation for quality and price.  QR has quality issues and the company is in financial trouble, but they too offer a high-tech bike for little money.  Otherwise, Trek, Giant, Specialized, Cervelo, Scott, etc.....they're all pretty much the same.

Good luck!



Edited by oipolloi 2007-11-25 9:12 AM
2007-11-25 11:44 AM
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If you only want to do triathlons, get a tri bike, by all mans.  You can train on a tri bike as well as to race on it.  A tri bike is not only constructed for speed but also to minimize the strain on your legs to leave them fresher for the run afterwards.

You could buy a tri frame and build it up with the components on hand if you know how to disassemble from the Giant and onto the new frame.  You could pay your local bike shop to do the swith for you, which would cut into any savings you might have.  Or, you could buy a new tri bike, sell your present road bike or trade it in on another smaller road bike.   

There is no "better" between a too small and a too large bike.  Both are equal bad!  Stop riding that bike now.  

AS the previous poster states, most of the big name brands are pretty much equal in  quality.  Personally, being Canadian, I prefer Guru, Marinoni, Argon18, and Cervelo but KHS, Felt, Javelin, Giant, Specilized, Trek and Cannondale also offer good quality bikes in all price ranges.  Shop around and compare.

 

2007-11-25 6:57 PM
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Buy a tri bike and then buy a smaller frame for your parts later on. You can never have too many bikes!

2007-11-26 3:47 PM
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VERY much appreciate the great feedback, thank you. I actually was leaning more towards purchasing another road bike because I really enjoy the long rides and the century is something i'd love to do again. I wasn't sure how well I'd do with that if I got a tri specific bike. Can I do a century with a tri bike comfortably? I also know there are more options with it regarding aero bars, saddles etc.

thank you all very much


2007-11-26 4:36 PM
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People do Ironman on tri bikes. If the bike fits, it is comfortable. I do all well most of my long rides on my tri bike. You can do century rides on a tri bike. Seems you like riding in areo which means the best fitting bike for riding in aero is a tri bike.

Key thing is to get a good fit on next bike. Most tri bikes are generic ie really mean they are geared for men. There are a few tri bikes for women but far fewer.

I bought a too long men's road bike...stupid mistake as it was my 3rd bike. I since have bought a women's road bike which fits me well so I'm riding that outside in the messy roads and have my tri bike on my trainer.

What brands we all like our own bikes. Key is fit fit fit..which fits you best? If you are maybe 5'4" or taller you can fit into many or most tri bikes. Shorter than that there are fewer options.

I'm planning on doing a 12 hour road race on my tri bike next year. Supporting my upper body on aero bars is way more comfortable than sitting more upright. I did a hilly ride last year and was on my tri bike 8 hours and wasn't sore the next day...fatigued yep but I thought that shows that my bike really fits me well. 



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2007-11-26 5:33 PM
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sparrow - 2007-11-26 4:47 PM

VERY much appreciate the great feedback, thank you. I actually was leaning more towards purchasing another road bike because I really enjoy the long rides and the century is something i'd love to do again. I wasn't sure how well I'd do with that if I got a tri specific bike. Can I do a century with a tri bike comfortably? I also know there are more options with it regarding aero bars, saddles etc.

thank you all very much


From your initial post, it sounded like you were leaning the other way; OK.

You'll see posts here that talk about road bikes with clip-on aero bars having time efficiency similar to road bikes. Probably close to true. Kathy G is correct; a well fit bike despite the style is what you want and will likely do most of what's necessary. I'd bet the selection in road bikes is wider open for sizing. Also, you might consider the cervelo dual and flip/flop seat post. Read up here to understand how that works. I don't have one, but it's got a loyal following who love the versatility.

EXCEPT: If you ever fancy racing USCF cycling, you'll need a road bike.

BTW: The best answer is: Get both and ride them lots
2007-12-01 12:40 AM
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pitt83 - 2007-11-27 3:33 PM


BTW: The best answer is: Get both and ride them lots


Can you please tell my husband that?
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