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2008-05-05 12:04 PM
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2008-05-05 9:47 PM
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If your swimmer is as fast as you say, you should be fine. Especially if you can pull a 20mph on the bike which should give your runner plenty of padding. I wonder if you and your swimmer will be slowed a bit because of all the people you'll be passing. Good luck!
2008-05-06 5:57 AM
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Nope.  Last year he swam an 18:14 (and was still only 6th out of the water for the men's relay teams).  I should be able to average around 22, even out of cycling shape as I am.  But the top runner is capable of low 32's on a good day, so even with time in the bag our runner is probably going to get smoked! Tongue out

But I'm not there to win, I'm there to have a good time and see my undertrained legs can do!

2008-05-08 2:12 PM
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Anyone know if you can swim in the lake on Saturday, the day before? It'll be my first time wearing a wetsuit and I would like to try it out first. I guess I could always try it out at the pool, but would feel like a total goofball.
2008-05-08 2:15 PM
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erjewels32 - 2008-05-08 3:12 PM Anyone know if you can swim in the lake on Saturday, the day before? It'll be my first time wearing a wetsuit and I would like to try it out first. I guess I could always try it out at the pool, but would feel like a total goofball.
No you can not swim in the lake AT ALL. I worked at Centennial lake (the lake the race is at) years ago and threatened a guy who was swimming in the lake that he would be DQ'd if he didn't get out.

 

I would just try it in the pool and go from there. 

2008-05-08 2:42 PM
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I always swim one workout before each race in the pool in my suit.  Helps to get it saturated and stretch out.  Don't worry, if it is a pool where people regularly train there will not be too may comments since they'll have seen it before.


2008-05-10 10:37 PM
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2008-05-11 8:07 AM
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PennState - 2008-05-10 10:37 PM
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Dlaxman31 - 2008-05-05 6:54 AM I just checked the website and can't see the times I'm going off. I'm in the 20-24 yr old AG I believe. All I see are key points and info about the race with lodging and such.

 

Well, if its a tricolumbia race, all the MEN will go first :P I hate being a girl sometimes. I usually end up waiting 1.5 hours to swim.

They put the fastest groups off first to avoid the safety problems that occur when the faster riders have to pass all the slower waves before them. They do the opposite at Steelhead 70.3.... and it was a disaster.

It all depends on your perspective.  I think having to weave in and out of poor swimmers with terrible balance and arm position is worse.  I've swam in relays with Clydesdalesand that is a disaster.  Personally, I think they should alternate waves male and female. 
2008-05-11 8:42 AM
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turtlegirl - 2008-05-11 9:07 AM It all depends on your perspective.  I think having to weave in and out of poor swimmers with terrible balance and arm position is worse.  I've swam in relays with Clydesdalesand that is a disaster.  Personally, I think they should alternate waves male and female. 

The fast swimmers have to do that no matter what since it is really just annoying to the fast swimmers to have to go through the waves and it is not so much a safety risk, so it really doesn't make much of a difference from that perspective.  But someone like me who is usually FOP on the bike (especially when I'm doing the relay and ONLY have to ride) it can be downright dangerous and the possibility for accidents is high.  I'll be hitting close to 40 mph on some of the downhills and be in full aero tuck.  Some of the people I'll be passing will be lucky to be doing 20.  There is a lot less margin for error for a really fast cyclist trying to weave through the inexperienced and slower riders.



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2008-05-11 7:52 PM
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2008-05-11 9:15 PM
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PennState - 2008-05-11 7:52 PM x2 Rick... it's just a mess for the fastest groups (usually Rick's and my AG) to go last, as there is just too much dangerous passing that has to occur. I agree that it is annoying to go on a later wave, but the RD in this case has safety as his issue.

 

again, its all perspective.  And I do think having heard that someone died last year at St. anthony's from an errant kick to the head that it is also important to consider.  Remember, some girls can easily go those speeds. I'm not one, but there are plenty that can.  I just don't think its fair to say, all boys are faster than girls.  Sorry. we'll agree to disagree. 



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2008-05-12 9:57 AM
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As I mentioned before, the fast swimmers are going to have to go through the slower people in the waves ahead regardless of when they start, just like the people who are fast on the bike are going to have to weave through slower riders that finished ahead of them in the water.

And as Fred mentioned, it is not a sexist thing at all!  The swim is the great equalizer as it has nothing to do with strength and sex and all to do with technique!  I'd say probably 3/4 of the women racing in the event would beat me out of the water if we were all swimming together.  Luckily, I'm not swimming in this one and have an 18 - 20 minute swimmer doing it for me!

But, on a good day I will put up bike numbers in the top 5% of the overall field (probably not this one since I've got less than 300 miles for the whole year in my legs).  That means the faster riders in the late waves are in a more precarious situation.  If this was a flat course it would be a little better, but it is not and it is both rolling and technical course which puts the cycling abilities and safety into a lot higher focus.

Everyone needs to be safe and have a good race, and just pay attention no matter when you start.  Vigo runs a great race and has been doing this for close to 20 years in some capacity, so I trust in his abilities.

2008-05-12 10:14 AM
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No, not what you guys said specifically, its the general perception of a lot of people.  And honestly, if that was the case, then the challenged waves and older folks waves should be last.    And I've relayed for a lot of it.  I'm not bitter at you, please don't take it as that.  Just don't think that you can say its b/c of "safety" always.  There are always going to be faster and unknowledgeable people out on the course.  There NEEDS to be more enforcement of the rules and LESS people.  That would make it safer.  I just don't think the answer is to make women constantly wait 2 hours after everyone else starts.  K enough discussion.  I just hope as always there's enough food left.
2008-05-13 7:41 AM
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I just signed up as a volunteer. I will be body-marking starting at 4:45 a.m. Good luck to all of you who are racing, I'll look for you!
2008-05-13 10:07 AM
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Doing the Princeton ride again tonight and getting the bike inspected while I'm there so I just have to put on the race wheels and rack it on Saturday.

Getting closer!!



2008-05-13 10:18 AM
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Heading out for a brick as we speak.  Not going to be as glourious with rolling hills as Columbia but will suffice for this weekend.  My last final ever tomorrow, graduate Saturday and then straight focusing on Columbia.  I CAN"T WAIT!!!
2008-05-13 7:06 PM
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What's the best way to wrap your bike with a little protection from the mossture overnight after the mandatory Saturday bike racking? Whole bike wrap or just parts?
2008-05-14 8:41 AM
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Accuweather forecast (if you believe in that kind of thing) for Sunday is high 68, low 50, partly cloudy, showers possible, 25 mph west wind with 47 mph gusts. I hate wind.

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2008-05-14 8:49 AM
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Anyone know the elevation change for the bike and run courses?
2008-05-14 9:11 AM
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docswim24 - 2008-05-14 9:49 AM

Anyone know the elevation change for the bike and run courses?


Here is the link for course maps. The run and bike graphs are there.

http://www.tricolumbia.org/Columbia/images/maps/Swim_Run_Map_Columb...

http://www.tricolumbia.org/Columbia/images/maps/Bike_Map_Columbia.p...


2008-05-14 9:22 AM
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docswim24 - 2008-05-14 9:49 AM

Anyone know the elevation change for the bike and run courses?


Here is the link for course maps. The run and bike graphs are there.

http://www.tricolumbia.org/Columbia/images/maps/Swim_Run_Map_Columb...

http://www.tricolumbia.org/Columbia/images/maps/Bike_Map_Columbia.p...


I saw that - I was just wondering if someone had the total elevation change.
2008-05-14 9:37 AM
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docswim24 - 2008-05-14 10:22 AM

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docswim24 - 2008-05-14 9:49 AM

Anyone know the elevation change for the bike and run courses?


Here is the link for course maps. The run and bike graphs are there.

http://www.tricolumbia.org/Columbia/images/maps/Swim_Run_Map_Columb...

http://www.tricolumbia.org/Columbia/images/maps/Bike_Map_Columbia.p...


I saw that - I was just wondering if someone had the total elevation change.


Does this help? I mapped the bike course.

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/training/map.asp?route...
2008-05-14 10:02 AM
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Zero since you start and end at the same point on the bike. Tongue out

Seriously, the whole thing is rolling, there is no real break.  Just hammer the downhills and the flatter rolling section once you hit the circle at Ten Oaks, then be smooth and consistent on the uphills.

I don't even bother "wrapping" the bike up.  If it gets wet, so what.  The only thing I might do is pull the computer off so it doesn't get any moisture in it.

Got my bike "inspected" last night before the Princeton ride, that's all done for now.  Just need to clean it up, lube the creaky BB and get my race wheels on now!

2008-05-14 10:51 AM
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docswim24 - 2008-05-14 8:49 AM Anyone know the elevation change for the bike and run courses?

 

they do have them at the race site.  As I figured out once, it is approximately 1/4 the distance and climbing feet of IMLP.  

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